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Re: Ivan Maric [merged]
« Reply #990 on: June 06, 2012, 04:59:47 PM »
How did you intend us to get mids 20s potential A grade ruck without using pick 2nd round?
are you telling me in all honesty that you thought ivan an a grader or the club did as well. geez that is revisionism at its best. we used pick 35 on a bloke whos form line spelled average at best but an upgrade on what we had.
exactly how many of you thought ivan an a grade player before we drafted him.

they got it right and the price wasn't too high, bottom line.
Strange that it turns out that that someone who does this poo for a living gets it right and and armchair critic is wrong.

What a weird world we live in......

who got anything wrong i havent said we should not have given ivan a try was all for getting a mature ruckman any ruckman as long as he was better than graham now lets face it that was not going to be hard to do.

not much you can say that will make me change my thinking. 2nd rounders on unproven inconsistent players who are usurped by all and sundry is a process that i would not like to see us go thru too often.

i sometimes wonder if you lot have learnt anything at all from the frawley wallace days.

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Re: Ivan Maric [merged]
« Reply #991 on: June 06, 2012, 05:23:08 PM »
so funny, blair hartly got it right, but we havnt learned anything from the wallace frawly days.

It doesnt matter what your uniformed opinion was at the time, the club had a process that set a value on ivan. they started their bidding at that value and got their man...at that value.

so far, from his performance they have been vindicated, yet in your narcisstic manner you still think it was a mistake because it differed from your opinion on him at the time.

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« Reply #992 on: June 06, 2012, 05:50:22 PM »
I really don't even know what it is Bore Claw is trying to argue anymore.


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« Reply #993 on: June 06, 2012, 06:22:39 PM »
Claw, reckon u need a spell buddy...

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« Reply #994 on: June 06, 2012, 09:16:45 PM »
yep give it up claw

and to think all kids drafted end up stars lol

maric was a steal at 35 .
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« Reply #995 on: June 06, 2012, 09:41:46 PM »
Just gone over the draft picks twice.

Maric was worth pick 35

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Re: Ivan Maric [merged]
« Reply #996 on: June 10, 2012, 07:07:47 PM »
This guy has to go, cost us the game with stopping Dusty's goal.

JJ was right all along.

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« Reply #997 on: June 10, 2012, 08:36:38 PM »
Watch the replay, you will find that Maric was infringed against by the Freo defender. He was struck in the face in the act of spoiling by the defender from front on and should have received a free kick.

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« Reply #998 on: June 10, 2012, 09:16:06 PM »
he has gotta go hes a dud

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« Reply #999 on: June 10, 2012, 09:43:42 PM »
yep give it up claw

and to think all kids drafted end up stars lol

maric was a steal at 35 .
was he well i suppose he was. as it panned out.
isnt it ironic one gets accused of useing hindsight all the time yet here are posters useing hindsight to say ivan was a sure thing.
nothing could be further from the truth.

nope its not about ivan per say. we are talking the process here and giving up 2nd rnd picks for 26 yr olds who had it all to prove is not for me. again on this one they got it right but its not the process i would like to see them regularly go thru. this will change.

a question would people be happy if we gave up pick 33 for renouf which is what port did he had performed just as well as big ivan before being traded but is still no better than when he was at hawthorn. thing is he is younger.

people think im having a go at ivan im not im over the moon we got him, i think hes played out of his skin far far better than anything hes offered up in previous yrs.

 thing is  i value 2nd rnd picks and if you are going to trade em away they had better be  sure things at 26 yrs of age. and not just on someone who fills a need who may be marginally better on what you have. just the fact we traded out of 2nd rounder a pick that should net a good long term player should be a concern to all.  yet alone use it on a 26 yr old who still had it all in front of him to prove himself.

ah well once again i disagree with most about processes and just how well we have done. to me ivan was a desperation trade in the end. for once it seems it panned out in our favor.

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Re: Ivan Maric [merged]
« Reply #1000 on: June 10, 2012, 10:04:13 PM »
yep give it up claw

and to think all kids drafted end up stars lol

maric was a steal at 35 .
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ah well once again i disagree with most about processes and just how well we have done. to me ivan was a desperation trade in the end. for once it seems it panned out in our favor.

Professionals doing a professional job and getting it right.  Shouldn't that be a tick for the process ?  So the process works and you still can't or wont acknowledge it.  The evidence is that the process has worked for 2 years now (Grigg, Houli, Morris and Maric) and yet you still beat some time to some old drum.

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« Reply #1001 on: June 10, 2012, 10:12:37 PM »
Some people are just not going to be happy and even when something works they want to bring up the past and belittle it.

It's the same story over and over again and we'll get the Francis Jackson 2005 picks and all that up until now and how and what and why. The message is wearing thin.

Some people just don't feel alive unless they find something to worry about, belittle something or find any reason to cling onto and call it hindsight.

Yet we are head in the sand brigade and think Jako and Nahas are guns and we'll win a flag.

It's like I'm 14 years old again, lecture after lecture after lecture.

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« Reply #1002 on: June 10, 2012, 10:33:20 PM »
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
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So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

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Cult hero Ivan Maric lets it flow (Adelaide Advertiser)
« Reply #1003 on: June 30, 2012, 03:11:59 AM »
Cult hero Maric lets it flow

    Michelangelo Rucci
    From: The Advertiser
    June 30, 2012


IVAN Maric today becomes the third former Crow - among the four defectors from last spring - to return to AAMI Stadium as "the enemy".

Phil Davis, a key defender and co-captain at expansion franchise Greater Western Sydney, will have a much healthier bank balance by the end of his first season away from Adelaide.

Jack Gunston may establish himself in the Hawthorn attack - and perhaps have an AFL premiership medal to cap off his "go-home" defection from West Lakes.

Maric will have no regrets by his move to Richmond. It is a career-defining decision.

He has fulfilled his ambition to be a No. 1 ruckman. He would not have achieved this at Adelaide in the shadow of Sam Jacobs.

He has played every game at the Tigers.

Maric would not have had this record at Adelaide where playing second fiddle to Jacobs has become an intense internal race between Shaun McKernan and Essendon recruit Josh Jenkins.

Maric is a contender for the All-Australian line-up at the end of the year. He would not have been mentioned in such terms at Adelaide.

Maric and Jacobs today face each other across the centre circle at AAMI Stadium not as rivals in Crows training, but as key combatants in an AFL premiership game of high stakes, personal and team-wise.

The winner of the ruck duel takes the high ground for All-Australian selection.

The winner of the game is better-placed in the race to September's AFL finals.

Maric arrived in Adelaide as a third-round draft pick at the end of the 2004 season. At that stage the Crows had an established ruck battery with Matthew Clarke, Rhett Biglands and Ben Hudson.

Maric was in a development race with the rookie-listed Jon Griffin.

By the end of last season, Maric had outlasted them all but was still not No. 1. Clarke was in Adelaide's coaching panel, Biglands had a radio gig, Hudson was retiring at the Western Bulldogs and being called back to the AFL by Brisbane and Griffin was looking at leaving Fremantle to join Port Adelaide.

Maric felt crucified - and was outspoken - not by Adelaide's preference for Jacobs, but by the AFL's changes to the four-man interchange system. The move to a substitute among the four interchange seats sacrificed the second ruckman.

Unlike "future captain" Davis, Gunston and Tony Armstrong, who defected to Sydney, Maric is the only former Crow finding his potential as an AFL player is being fulfilled by the decision to change clubs.

He is the No. 1 at Tigerland.

Maric has numbers - and All-Australian prospects - he could have never imagined at West Lakes - not while living in Jacobs' shadow.

Maric ranks No. 2 for hit-outs with 372. Jacobs is No. 3 with 357. Melbourne ruckman Mark Jamar leads this category (418).

Maric is No. 2 for hit-outs to advantage with 100. Jacobs is No. 1 (108).

In field play, Maric today will surpass his season-high for disposals - 196 in 20 games with Adelaide in 2009. He has 193 in 12 games with Richmond this season.

Richmond coach Damien Hardwick notes Maric's hands are counting for more than hit-outs.

This stood out to Hardwick in the Dreamtime game against Essendon at a rain-soaked MCG on May 19.

"The amount of times he took a crucial mark when we needed it and used the ball well was fantastic," said Hardwick.

If Maric takes seven marks today, he will equal his season-high of 62 in 21 games in 2010 with Adelaide.

"He's been a star," adds Hardwick. "He's been a high-calibre person, what he's delivering on the field is high-calibre also.

"He's been a very good player for us."

By the time Brenton Sanderson arrived at West Lakes as Adelaide's new coach - to be well briefed on Maric's strength of character - Maric was beyond second thoughts on leaving.

"I sat down with him and I was really keen for him to stay, but his mind had already been made up," Sanderson said.

"But a door shuts and another one opens, and we've given an opportunity to Jenkins and McKernan, who have been fantastic for us at different times this season."

For the record, Maric's trade to Richmond engineered Tom Lynch's arrival from St Kilda.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/cult-hero-maric-lets-it-flow/story-e6frf9jf-1226412772305

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Re: Cult hero Ivan Maric lets it flow (Adelaide Advertiser)
« Reply #1004 on: June 30, 2012, 12:45:02 PM »
Kill that tall red haired bugger  mullet man  . Red heads are terrified of the sun and  mullets :p