browne, bit of a dinosaur probably agree but we will need to keep at least one of brown or Graham.
connors, totally stuffed attitude. Agree Gone
derickx, has done nothing at 25.Agree, would need to have a ripper second half of the season
edwards, glass half full poor skills poor decion making skinny runt. Edwards is getting a senior game and will so until we have the depth to push him out, he will be there next year
graham, seems his papers are stamped already. See Browne
houli, down hill skier who is limited. Compleate Rubish
jackson, hackA hack I would agree but once again he will stay on the list until he can be pushed out
king, very limited player with no polish.agree, has had good games but is to inconsistent, trade
macdonald, gonski. correct
a maric rookie on senior list.A rookie anyway, happy for him to stay there
mcguane, dud. Delist
miller rookie on senior list. will be lucky to get another year but has played his roll well to date
moore injury,Unlucky run but will most likely be deilistef
nahas one sided runt whith no polish.see Edwards and Jackson
newman struggling and 30 yrs old. some real wrrying signs the last two yrs. not sure what was worrying about last season but has defiantly slowed up this year, he Won't be delisted at seasons end tough
post seems his papers are already stamped with the lack of opportunity, one dimensional. aree, will need to turn it around big time to save his place
vickery yep i put him here he needs to dramatically improve a fair few areas of his game. soft as butter. hes safe for now on the back of last yr but is clearly struggling. was last yr a one off is a good question atm. Agree with your assement of him at the moment but he has shown he can play, won be delisted for at least 2 more seasons after this
webberley average at everything no outstanding assett too small.Agree, Delist
white dud.Times up, Delist
thats 19 players
can add
tuck at 31 hes probably a severe injury away from it. agree but his father has shown he could just as easily go on forever
astbury only because of injury which has prevented him from developing will get at least 2 more seasons after this
griffiths see astbury.Need to get a good run at it soon, has at least 1 - 2 seasons left after this one
riewoldt clearly safe but struggling big time and has for a good chunk of last yr as well.safe as houses
So there we go Claw, using a little bit of reality and common sence I have managed to cut your lis of 19 delists back to 7 + 2 rookies. I believe with such a strong draft and the introduction of free agency the may be another 1 or 2 added to that list but there sure as hell won't be 19 players delisted.
Happy now??
for starters i cant read that scribble secondly the criteria clearly set was,IN THE GUN, GLASS HALF FULL AND STRUGGLING.nothing about delisting all.
I totally disagree with your post. right at this moment all of those players fall into at least one of those categories
in reply
browne - well your right but we will keep one of browne derickx or graham. but all are being evaluated. that means all are in the gun. all are glass half fulls and struggling well graham is going okay at coburg.
graham- see browne
derickx - see browne.
connors - you agree bloody hell unbelievable.
edwards - so you think he needs to be pushed out in time, i assume that is because of his deficiencies that make him a glass half full. your wrong he fits the criteria but hes got photos or something and is safe for what ever reason. should not have been given a contract extension.
jackson - you agree he fits two criteria. for what ever reason he is not in the gun and people think the club get everything right lol.
king - agree. he also fits two criteria but is not in the gun like jackson they love their glass half fulls at richmond.
macdonald - not only in the gun but already shot. agree. shame he does have talent.
a maric - you dont get it im happy to give him and others another yr but he is struggling probably in the gun and has serious flaws.
mcguane- agree.
miller - struggling has done all yr only thing saved him is he hasnt struggled as much as others. many weaknesses and in the gun. agree.
moore - agree purely an injury thing but hes struggling because of it.
nahas - i think you agree. hes a glass half full. he has struggled in most games but he is safe. why is beyond me should also be in the gun.
newman = struggled last yr in a lot of games, then got hurt late and this yr he has been mainly poor. not in the gun but struggling close to retirement id say.
post - i think you agree hes in the gun, struggled at afl level and seems a mark kick player. would definately hang onto him for 1 more yr.
vickery - you agree hes struggling. clearly not in the gun but watch out next yr if his form continues. one just passable season does not make a player i would have thought this lesson was firmly driven home to all supporters by now but clearly it hasnt.
webberley - you agree.
white - you agree.
imo every single one falls into one of the categories that you felt the need to be sarcastic about. not all are in the gun which is something you cant seem to grasp. which ones need to go first well obviously uncontracted ones. trouble is the way cameron goes about it very few are ever uncontracted come seasons end.
imo jackson king edwards are safe due to contracts lol. nahas is a pet, newman is the skipper but can go to the vets list to free up a spot.vickery is safe for now and i think miller will be retained as a mature rookie if we are allowed. one of the three ruckmen mentioned will be retained out of need.
that leaves about 10 on tenterhooks depending on contracts and i would not be surprised if craig cameron has not already signed most of those.
my personal opinion is.
list proper
delist - white. mcguane, webberley. macdonald, king, connors. macdonald aside they have given us absolutely zilch. and have had yrs.
retire - moore. i think this what will happen but if he finds some touch late in the season he may want to go on.
trade - graham ruckmen have trade value could bundle him up with say pick 48 for pick 30.
vets list - newman. would definately do this if we have a graham scenario.
creates 9 spots - 5 nd picks, 1 trade for a need. 1 psd pick on a mature player. 2 from state league depending on how good they have been otherwise rookie them.
will probably have only 2 or 3 rookie picks imo as well.
finally thank you for at the least pointing out what you actually think with some substance rather than just taking sarcastic shots. we disagree im sure we can disagree without the angst and sarcasm.i will reply with kind if its aimed at me.
Without going through each individual player. i want to add one thing.. We have a list that is improving to a level that is getting there and will no doubt be playing finals soon enough. The thing i notice about your post Mr Claw is you never allow for the grunts of the team, the players that arent elite but do their job. Arent the most skilled but do their job, arent the most charismatic but do their job..
Delisting so many players in this next off season would IMO be a bad move.. As has been proven many times, a good team comes from not having a group of Judds and Abletts, but putting together a group that all work in the same direction, like each other and are united in the quest.
For mine changes will be players like McDonald and rookies that havent cut it. Other than that we trade for elite players and keep drafting 3-4 youngsters..
Having 9-10 18 year olds come into the side would be disastrous to club culture..
now bengal tiger you would have read if you had read the whole lot that i espoused 5 nd picks atm that is 1/ first rounder. basically 2 second rounders 1 third rounder and 1 4th rounder. in a deep draft yr you can expext a very good return.
i also envisioned a trade for a need. a psd pick on a mature player and a couple of ready to go state league players.. i also envisioned us putting newman onto the vet list a situation where we gain a list spot but dont cut anyone. so you see with good list management we dont have to load up with just kids. dont kid yourself we need an influx of players we have more than our fair share of duds or list cloggers.
we are currently being carried by about 14 players we need to find another 14. those who i want gone have not contributed one thing to the sides improvement this yr ior in yrs past.
can i ask what rookies havent cut it apart from heslin whos gone home. miller who plays seniors. the rest have only been there 5 minutes.
cmon ask yourself what do we lose by delisting white, mcguane, webberley macdonald, king,and connors. only king is a regular and hes awful.
what do we lose by trading graham hopefully for a good draft pick ie graham and pick 48ish for a pick 30ish. he has hardly played a senior game in two yrs and cant even get a gig as a backup.
its realistic moore will retire what has he done for the improvement, will he be missed.
finally its sensible in a deep draft yr to move the struggling newman to the vets list.imo hes on a steep decline and evades a fair bit of criticism because hes the skipper.
i can if you like swap a fair few of these players for those who have contributed just as little.
again make no mistake another clean out is needed we have barely begun to do what we must.
