Who is under the pump?

[Loui Tufga]

Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game

[the claw]

Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game

fair enough it still doesnt deflect from the obvious. to be fair to him id give him a game see if he cant hold down the ruck and send big ivan forward more often. i cant see any reason why we cant try all of the players on our list at some stage. based on whats going on id say angus is in the hotseat. to be totally frank because angus was so poor we had to go out and get maric. lets be smart and get a good return for him rather than just cut him. yr 6 and he cant get a game how much longer do we persevere.

[Loui Tufga]

Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game

fair enough it still doesnt deflect from the obvious. to be fair to him id give him a game see if he cant hold down the ruck and send big ivan forward more often. i cant see any reason why we cant try all of the players on our list at some stage. based on whats going on id say angus is in the hotseat. to be totally frank because angus was so poor we had to go out and get maric. lets be smart and get a good return for him rather than just cut him. yr 6 and he cant get a game how much longer do we persevere.

In one breath you are saying "Angus was so poor for us we had to get another ruckman" and "6 years on our list how much longer do we have to persevere" but yet in another you are saying "let's be smart and get a good return for him"  mate, do you Actualy understand how the whole trading thing works? The longer Graham plays in the VFL the less we will get at the trade table, at the moment he's probally worth a 4th rounder at best! And that's if anyone even wants him.......

[Chuck17]

Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game

fair enough it still doesnt deflect from the obvious. to be fair to him id give him a game see if he cant hold down the ruck and send big ivan forward more often. i cant see any reason why we cant try all of the players on our list at some stage. based on whats going on id say angus is in the hotseat. to be totally frank because angus was so poor we had to go out and get maric. lets be smart and get a good return for him rather than just cut him. yr 6 and he cant get a game how much longer do we persevere.

Actually the call that he hardly played a game is right imo

[gerkin greg]

Post can ruck in the Leigh Brown mold

But he's soft

[the claw]

Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game

fair enough it still doesnt deflect from the obvious. to be fair to him id give him a game see if he cant hold down the ruck and send big ivan forward more often. i cant see any reason why we cant try all of the players on our list at some stage. based on whats going on id say angus is in the hotseat. to be totally frank because angus was so poor we had to go out and get maric. lets be smart and get a good return for him rather than just cut him. yr 6 and he cant get a game how much longer do we persevere.

In one breath you are saying "Angus was so poor for us we had to get another ruckman" and "6 years on our list how much longer do we have to persevere" but yet in another you are saying "let's be smart and get a good return for him"  mate, do you Actualy understand how the whole trading thing works? The longer Graham plays in the VFL the less we will get at the trade table, at the moment he's probally worth a 4th rounder at best! And that's if anyone even wants him.......

does mark seaby ring a bell or any number of ruckmen who badly underperformed at their club and fetched a decent draft pick. look i know its a stretch but i reckon if we are smart we could get a decent pick out of it. one thing for sure we can try you may be right and no one will offer a thing.
now i have said basically if someone is interested lets be smart offer them pick 48 our third rounder  and graham for an earlier pick. not saying it will happen but when it comes to ruckmen and trash and treasure hunts they always seem to do well for the owners of them.
you mention a 4th rounder well offer our 4th graham  for a third rounder we can turn it into a win if there are buyers.

[gerkin greg]

Agree claw
Look what Essendon got for Jenkins and he was a rookie that hadn't played a game

[Loui Tufga]

Mate, where are ou pullin this crap from? Seaby had hardly underperformed with West Coast? He had one poor season with west coast (his last) and that was because Cox had a stellar year and the way the game was changing Lynch was chopping out in the ruck and a second rucman wasn't required! Seaby asked to be traded because he new he was slipping down the pecking order. All west coast got for him was a pick upgrade from 28 to 22, hardly a big deal really considering he cost the pick 22 in the first place!
Please though I would be happy to hear about these other number of badly underperformed Ruckman that have fetched good draft picks in trades, fire away.....

[the claw]

Mate, where are ou pullin this crap from? Seaby had hardly underperformed with West Coast? He had one poor season with west coast (his last) and that was because Cox had a stellar year and the way the game was changing Lynch was chopping out in the ruck and a second rucman wasn't required! Seaby asked to be traded because he new he was slipping down the pecking order. All west coast got for him was a pick upgrade from 28 to 22, hardly a big deal really considering he cost the pick 22 in the first place!
Please though I would be happy to hear about these other number of badly underperformed Ruckman that have fetched good draft picks in trades, fire away.....

two straight to mind. jolley what had he done at melbourne when traded to sydney. 4yrs of pretty ordinary footy. jason ball struggled at wce but shone at sydney
how about mumford yeah i know he showed some real good glimpses. sam jacobs fetched what he was hardly proven. yeah your right none were as badly performed as gus.
 yeah i suppose it is hard to find a player as badly performed as gus fetching much but still well worth a try imo. i am happy to concede on the point and say it is unlikely we will get a pick around 30 for him even if we dress it up with picks. but i can see us getting a pick around 50 for him if we dress it up. that in itself would be worth while.

[Loui Tufga]

Yes your drawing a very long bow trying to compare Gus to any of those Ruckmen. The problem with Gus is he has been given a go, he is no longer developing he is 25, will be 26 next year can't get a game in a side that has been screaming for a Ruckman and if anyone does want him it will be for a stop gap at best, nobody is going to give up a decent pick for a stop gap. The best case scenario will be in a package deal for a slight pick upgrade or something like that but I can tell you now there is no way known some one will give us a straight pick for him in a draft as deep as this years is supposed to be.

[Mr Magic]

The weaknesses in Gus's game have been exposed for all to see by him not playing.

Soft as butter. No club will pick him up.

[Coach]

http://theuglydance.com/?v=uzcdrgvlfe

[the claw]

Yes your drawing a very long bow trying to compare Gus to any of those Ruckmen. The problem with Gus is he has been given a go, he is no longer developing he is 25, will be 26 next year can't get a game in a side that has been screaming for a Ruckman and if anyone does want him it will be for a stop gap at best, nobody is going to give up a decent pick for a stop gap. The best case scenario will be in a package deal for a slight pick upgrade or something like that but I can tell you now there is no way known some one will give us a straight pick for him in a draft as deep as this years is supposed to be.

as i conceded in my last post you are probably right but no harm in trying.
one thing i would bet on is if graham is cut by us a club will pick him up. sheesh adam pattison broc mccauley who by the way looks a steal are two who have been much worse than graham and got taken admitidely for nothing . one who bought a first rnd pick cameron wood  3 yrs of nothing at brisbane and collingwood saw something in him and came up with pick 14. we will see what happens with gus i still think we should shop him and see what we can get. funny things happen with these big blokes. if we could get a pick at 50ish that would be fine. the earlier the pick the better.  6 or so nd picks inside 50 would be what id aim at.

[TigerTimeII]

jackstar will be once jacky boy starts kicking straight lol

[Tigermonk]

jackstar will be once jacky boy starts kicking straight lol

what have you been pumping mate