Richmond vs Melbourne [members' replacement game]

[Tigeritis™©®]

No, mr tiagra, the insults were not made until you made incorrect claims about what other people were saying and made out that because someone watches the game on TV they dont know what they are talking about.

ok that might be right in your case Al and fair enough but if you read the thread again from page 8 I think, Coach threw some personal insults at me for having an opinion. I don't think it's necessary.   
 
Anyway, i'm over it now. Whatever. All good.   
 

Here was my first and only post to you during the game, Tigra:

Too many stupid players, list cloggers, vfl superstars etc whatever you wanna call 'em.

Until we get rid of these types we will never be good enough.

Bugger off dude. We've just made 7 changes and we're killing this mob

Where is the personal insult? Bugger off? I meant that as "you can't be serious".
You then took that as "Coach, you think all these players are great and are taking us into the future". You twist everyones words. You have a crack at anyone that isn't bagging Richmond. I didn't say we played well. For the 97th time, I wasn't happy with the game. I am happy we won easily after making SEVEN stuffing changes to the team.
It was your choice to twist my words into something else. You insulted me (and al) several times so I concluded my last post with 'You're just an arrogant jackass that has NFI.' That's the only insult i have dished out to you. and it's barely an insult, it's just the truth.
Davey

ok coach. All good like I said i'm over it now.
And I won't put my bible where you advised me. 

Anyway would love to have a beer with you one day, we are Richmond supporters after all. 
Just fed up with mediocrity like i'm sure we all are.
 

[Simonator]

One thing I notice ( especially when I go to the games ) Is that we handpass very badly. One perfect example was Deledio coming out of the backline, took the mark, had no one to go to but saw Dea and handpassed to him when he was under pressure, Dea turned it over and I think it resulted in a goal. We do very STUPID handpasses too often to people under pressure And sometimes we just need to kick the thing.

[Phil Mrakov]

One thing I notice ( especially when I go to the games ) Is that we handpass very badly. One perfect example was Deledio coming out of the backline, took the mark, had no one to go to but saw Dea and handpassed to him when he was under pressure, Dea turned it over and I think it resulted in a goal. We do very STUPID handpasses too often to people under pressure And sometimes we just need to kick the thing.

Dea is poo.

VFL PLAYER AT THE MOMENT

Hope he makes it but his disposal is crap. I cringe when the ball is in his hands.

[Simonator]

One thing I notice ( especially when I go to the games ) Is that we handpass very badly. One perfect example was Deledio coming out of the backline, took the mark, had no one to go to but saw Dea and handpassed to him when he was under pressure, Dea turned it over and I think it resulted in a goal. We do very STUPID handpasses too often to people under pressure And sometimes we just need to kick the thing.

Dea is poo.

VFL PLAYER AT THE MOMENT

Hope he makes it but his disposal is crap. I cringe when the ball is in his hands.

I agree his disposal is pretty shocking, doesn't seem very sure of himself. But like rance a few years ago.
But in that instance that was Deledios fault, should be smarter than that

[one-eyed]

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[the claw]

actually thought it was the worst we have played all yr.

we have lost games this yr and played so so so much better than that. ive actually taken more away from losses than that win. 

there is a question here whats best.
play well and lose or play terrible and win.  or are we really at a stage where as long as we play well the wins dont really matter.

the upside is i thought we would lose this game with so many changes  and so many ordinary players getting another go at it.
persoally i ask myself how poor is melbourne?   a middling side like us whos overall list is probably in reality not that much better than melbournes can play so poor make so many changes and still win .

personally i reckon this game was a step backwards especially when it comes to skills decision making we can thank our lucky stars it was such poor side we played because against almost anyone else we would have lost i have no doubt.

[WilliamPowell]

well done daniel. 
told like someone who actually goes to games and sees it how it really is.

Double standards anyone?

Couple of weeks ago after the Giants game which I went to, saw live I gave my view on how I thought certain players went.

 You told me to watch the replay to see how badly players really were. Because the TV would show me

Now his week you are saying that people who viewed things a certain way via TV don't know what they are talking about because they weren't at the game

What color a kettle? 

[Go Richo 12]

well done daniel. 
told like someone who actually goes to games and sees it how it really is.

Double standards anyone?

Couple of weeks ago after the Giants game which I went to, saw live I gave my view on how I thought certain players went.

 You told me to watch the replay to see how badly players really were. Because the TV would show me

Now his week you are saying that people who viewed things a certain way via TV don't know what they are talking about because they weren't at the game

What color a kettle? 

And to weigh into it a little, some people cannot make it to every game due to legitimate reasons say, living 300 klms away. Does that mean we can't comment on the game until we see one live?

[Smokey]

One thing I notice ( especially when I go to the games ) Is that we handpass very badly. One perfect example was Deledio coming out of the backline, took the mark, had no one to go to but saw Dea and handpassed to him when he was under pressure, Dea turned it over and I think it resulted in a goal. We do very STUPID handpasses too often to people under pressure And sometimes we just need to kick the thing.

NS, if we did that once on Sat we did it a hundred times.  I've never been so frustrated watching a game for a long time.

[Simonator]

One thing I notice ( especially when I go to the games ) Is that we handpass very badly. One perfect example was Deledio coming out of the backline, took the mark, had no one to go to but saw Dea and handpassed to him when he was under pressure, Dea turned it over and I think it resulted in a goal. We do very STUPID handpasses too often to people under pressure And sometimes we just need to kick the thing.

NS, if we did that once on Sat we did it a hundred times.  I've never been so frustrated watching a game for a long time.

Definitely did it more than once, hell we do it every game. You can just watch them handpass to a man under pressure. They will even handpass BACKWARDS to a man under pressure. seems silly to me

[rogerd3]

think some need to get a relaxant
into them, previous history
tells us even with a more mature
group we would have lost yesterday.

enjoy the ride or pop a stillnox.

[HKTiger]

actually thought it was the worst we have played all yr.

we have lost games this yr and played so so so much better than that. ive actually taken more away from losses than that win. 

there is a question here whats best.
play well and lose or play terrible and win.  or are we really at a stage where as long as we play well the wins dont really matter.

the upside is i thought we would lose this game with so many changes  and so many ordinary players getting another go at it.
persoally i ask myself how poor is melbourne?   a middling side like us whos overall list is probably in reality not that much better than melbournes can play so poor make so many changes and still win .

personally i reckon this game was a step backwards especially when it comes to skills decision making we can thank our lucky stars it was such poor side we played because against almost anyone else we would have lost i have no doubt.

Did you notice the changed structures ?  The negating patterns we used against the Dee's ? Did you note which worked and which didn't ?  Notice that we changed the midfield rotations (quite radically) and won the clearances and stoppages  easily ?

[Coach]

actually thought it was the worst we have played all yr.

we have lost games this yr and played so so so much better than that. ive actually taken more away from losses than that win. 

there is a question here whats best.
play well and lose or play terrible and win.  or are we really at a stage where as long as we play well the wins dont really matter.

the upside is i thought we would lose this game with so many changes  and so many ordinary players getting another go at it.
persoally i ask myself how poor is melbourne?   a middling side like us whos overall list is probably in reality not that much better than melbournes can play so poor make so many changes and still win .

personally i reckon this game was a step backwards especially when it comes to skills decision making we can thank our lucky stars it was such poor side we played because against almost anyone else we would have lost i have no doubt.

Did you notice the changed structures ?  The negating patterns we used against the Dee's ? Did you note which worked and which didn't ?  Notice that we changed the midfield rotations (quite radically) and won the clearances and stoppages  easily ?

Brave man, HK. Brave man. Reading some of the reactions on here almost makes me miss some of you blokes across the road. Almost.

[Tigeritis™©®]

well done daniel. 
told like someone who actually goes to games and sees it how it really is.

Double standards anyone?

Couple of weeks ago after the Giants game which I went to, saw live I gave my view on how I thought certain players went.

 You told me to watch the replay to see how badly players really were. Because the TV would show me

Now his week you are saying that people who viewed things a certain way via TV don't know what they are talking about because they weren't at the game

What color a kettle? 

cmon WP. You were defending Miller and I can't have that sort of nonsense slide. 

anyway how many games has Miller played since that game? 

[the claw]

actually thought it was the worst we have played all yr.

we have lost games this yr and played so so so much better than that. ive actually taken more away from losses than that win. 

there is a question here whats best.
play well and lose or play terrible and win.  or are we really at a stage where as long as we play well the wins dont really matter.

the upside is i thought we would lose this game with so many changes  and so many ordinary players getting another go at it.
persoally i ask myself how poor is melbourne?   a middling side like us whos overall list is probably in reality not that much better than melbournes can play so poor make so many changes and still win .

personally i reckon this game was a step backwards especially when it comes to skills decision making we can thank our lucky stars it was such poor side we played because against almost anyone else we would have lost i have no doubt.

Did you notice the changed structures ?  The negating patterns we used against the Dee's ? Did you note which worked and which didn't ?  Notice that we changed the midfield rotations (quite radically) and won the clearances and stoppages  easily ?

just a question are you saying we performed poorly because of these things or better. im assuming poorly.
not having a go  but please tell the changed structures, the negating patterns,  and which worked and which didnt. please tell me the rotations that worked so well or what actually significantly  changed from previous weeks.

1/ as far as structure goes the only thing that changed is personell . three tall forwards, jack miller vickery in previous weeks jack derickx mcguane this week. previously one ruckman in ivan getting a chop out from vickery or miller, this week ivan  with derickx. a better situation imo, two tall defenders with the option of mcguane or derickx going back. yep we missed grimes but batchelor was asked to play tall. we have gone with just two tall defenders in several games this yr. at we had the option of both mcguane or derickx going back if need be.
mate that is so similar to what we have done all yr. in a lot of ways it was more flexable than we have been for most of the yr so your point is we played poorly because of poor structure i dont buy into it.

2/ negating patterns please tell what really changed from previous weeks. seems we pushed up pretty much as we have done all yr. pretty hard to pick up any subtle changes 3ooo km away in perth.

3/ midfield rotations you say we radically changed them yet the same blokes who have carried this load all yr were  the ones who carried us again. it was cotchin, tuck, deledio, grigg again.

4/ clearance and stoppages havent we done well at these things all yr what was so different against melb. we did well again.

ball use decision making and skills remain the bug bear.

just to finish imo and that is all it is my opinion but that would have to be the worst we have performed all yr. the skill level made it very hard to watch. like i said ive seen us lose this yr and walked away reasonably happy we have played infinately better in most of our losses than we did in that win.