Sack Hardwick [merged]

[YellowandBlackBlood]

The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.

In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.

And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group

You're right again WP.

All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows......

Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it......

I agree that it was. However, the symbolic gesture of doing what the club wanted though was completely ignored. Sometimes you accept to do things you don't agree with for the sake of unity....

The easiest thing for Cotch to do back then was to wear the number 17. It took leadership IMO to do what he did. I really liked what he did.
But that's not to say he wasn't being selfish either though.
Time for Cotch to just concentrate on playing good footy now and give the captaincy up. But I don't think our club is strong enough to do it.

Couldn't imagine Beveridge asking Bob Murphy to wear the number 3 guernsey (EJ's) and him refusing......

Therein lies the difference between the two teams.


Ps. And yes I know Wallis wears it. I'm just throwing in a hypothetical.

lol i couldnt imagine Beveredge worrying about such a pointless, grand standing exercise.

from memory one of the reasons cotchin didnt want to change numbers was for the kids that wore his number. selfish git.

it was a wank fest and as a leader, he, hopefully, put paid to it.

I cannot remember him ever saying that! Get me a quote or you're making it up Alistair.

[Penelope]

John Platten refused to change numbers when Jeans asked him to, as Alan believed that high numbers are for players yet to prove themselves.

Thank stuff we never had platten at the club, as no doubt that act symbolised the problems that plagued Hawthorn through the 80s

[YellowandBlackBlood]

John Platten refused to change numbers when Jeans asked him to, as Alan believed that high numbers are for players yet to prove themselves.

Thank stuff we never had platten at the club, as no doubt that act symbolised the problems that plagued Hawthorn through the 80s

That's a bit different from the club "rule" that the captain wears number 17. Respect the rules, even if they are silly. The club was just as weak not enforcing it though.

[Penelope]

I said from memory, which means that if it is incorrect it is my memory, not making stuff up. so no need to idiot just because others disagree with you. you can stop being a doctor on here.

The thread is most probably merged into the cotchin thread and the search function is useless on these forum boards

[Yeahright]

People complain all year about unity and the club having a vision that everyone buys into and now 'suddenly' they are happy Cotchin went against the club

[Penelope]

John Platten refused to change numbers when Jeans asked him to, as Alan believed that high numbers are for players yet to prove themselves.

Thank stuff we never had platten at the club, as no doubt that act symbolised the problems that plagued Hawthorn through the 80s

That's a bit different from the club "rule" that the captain wears number 17. Respect the rules, even if they are silly. The club was just as weak not enforcing it though.

it was a "rule", same as we have now, or as much of one as the number 17 was a rule.

It was a player going directly against the express wishes of the coach.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

John Platten refused to change numbers when Jeans asked him to, as Alan believed that high numbers are for players yet to prove themselves.

Thank stuff we never had platten at the club, as no doubt that act symbolised the problems that plagued Hawthorn through the 80s

That's a bit different from the club "rule" that the captain wears number 17. Respect the rules, even if they are silly. The club was just as weak not enforcing it though.

it was a "rule", same as we have now, or as much of one as the number 17 was a rule.

It was a player going directly against the express wishes of the coach.

It was a suggestion from Jeans as he preferred it. It was not a club rule. Very different. Platten wasn't even the captain.The captain sets the trend.

[Penelope]

Think you will find it was a policy that jeans implemented as it was something he wanted to happen, yet dimma couldnt have given a stuff about the number 17 thing.

But Hardwick is wondering what all the fuss is about.

Asked if he was surprised about the obsession with guernsey numbers, Hardwick said: "It does (surprise me), a fraction. I suppose it's something as a coach you often don't think about.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16999.msg342188#msg342188

as for not being captain, does that give any more right to not follow team rules, coaches wishes or whatever or are you suggesting that only the captain has to do so?

[tony_montana]

Al is correct, I do recall Cotch saying that and no I can't be bothered giving you the proof you require and no I'm not making it up.

It was a ridiculous rule and I'm glad cotch put a stop to it. For mine it symbolised what our club has become, - grandstanding and doing things for the sake of being seen to be doing something

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I respect that cotchin attempted to mark the beginning of a new era.

It's the club who allowed the decision.

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Having said that, let's go with 17 now

[tony_montana]

Why do we need to go with 17?

Just stuffing carve out our own history and stop looking in the past which is a problem this club has had for about 20 odd years

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Why do we need to go with 17?

Just stuffing carve out our own history and stop looking in the past which is a problem this club has had for about 20 odd years

We tried that. Lolw

[tony_montana]

And we tried to go with 17, that was a bit of a joke too.

So where does that leave us? Lol

[🏅Dooks]

Why do we need to go with 17?

Just stuffing carve out our own history and stop looking in the past which is a problem this club has had for about 20 odd years

What about number 6? I liked David Palm as a player. Plus, when Cotch kakks himself and sticks his head in the sand, his 9 looks like a 6. Win win. Win.