What's our best 22 now?

[Chuck17]

i dont think we have traditional field positions anymore we have team structure. i know some still get hung up on chf or ff or chb but seriously they dont exist as they did in the past...

They don't what the flood started the full press finished and traditional positions are a thing of the past

[Ruanaidh]

Griff.
Rance
Chaplin
Grimes

Is a tall back line..

You're right. But Grimes and to a lesser degree Rance can play Small.

[Yeahright]

People keep ignoring the fact that Griff is now a CHB and IMO a potentially great one.

the griff myth keeps on being perpetuated. when will people start rating him on performance and not potential.
he may play chb but he sure hasnt done anything back there to show he is one.i still firmly believe he should have been developed as a genuine ff.

chaplin -  rance - grimes - mcintosh - astbury  and the rookie darrou are all key backs. or do we ignore the fact the club is developing them there.

in the mean time we have just jack at ff and imo can and should play chf ,  elton who is not ready to play chf  and vickery who is over rated and being asked to perform laughably both the chf role and 2nd ruck role.
just  3 tall forwards being played as forwards and we do nothing to alleviate and fix this problem. the obvious fix to both the second ruck and chf problem is play vickery as a genuine resting ruckman forward and bring in  a bloke who has every single attribute imaginable to play ff thus when ivan has a deserved rest vickery rucks and we keep our structure at all times.

surely this is preferable to playing luke mcguane as a third tall.

the club has regularly got it wrong when it comes to developing talls they continue to stuff it up.
riewoldt was a chf and has become a lazy ff.albeit a good one.
post was a chb and was never ever allowed to settle in one position. we the club imo contributed greatly to his demise. he was literally pulled from pillar to post.
griffiths was touted as the next plugger thats how impressive as a ff he was. yet we refuse to play him forward because he struggled in his early yrs with injury. and need again over rides proper development.
astbury was a very good hit up chf and he played some reasonable games in his first yr as a forward and has never been seen there since. geez a hit up chf.
mcguane was actually a forward but in their wisdom turned him into a very poor defender. hes just ordinary anyway.
rance was a running hb when we drafted him but in their wisdom they plonked him on the last line of defense where his lack of judgment in the air is regularly found wanting.
vickery was the most promising young ruckman behind only natanui yet we hardly play him in the ruck and try to turn him into a chf. placing enormous pressure on maric foregoing a second ruckman and key forward when he actually does go in to the ruck.
they have allowed poor development or attempted to develop talls out of position  because of  poor list management and a dire need to play em out of position. seems they are continually hedging their bets with just about every  young tall they take.

ya know if they look like a key forward act like a key forward have the attributes of a key forward and play like a key forward they likely are a key forward ditto for the backs. yet we constantly refuse to look at the obvious and try to turn em into something they arent.

Um, do we follow the way the club develops someone or not? Can't have it both ways

[the claw]

People keep ignoring the fact that Griff is now a CHB and IMO a potentially great one.

the griff myth keeps on being perpetuated. when will people start rating him on performance and not potential.
he may play chb but he sure hasnt done anything back there to show he is one.i still firmly believe he should have been developed as a genuine ff.

chaplin -  rance - grimes - mcintosh - astbury  and the rookie darrou are all key backs. or do we ignore the fact the club is developing them there.

in the mean time we have just jack at ff and imo can and should play chf ,  elton who is not ready to play chf  and vickery who is over rated and being asked to perform laughably both the chf role and 2nd ruck role.
just  3 tall forwards being played as forwards and we do nothing to alleviate and fix this problem. the obvious fix to both the second ruck and chf problem is play vickery as a genuine resting ruckman forward and bring in  a bloke who has every single attribute imaginable to play ff thus when ivan has a deserved rest vickery rucks and we keep our structure at all times.

surely this is preferable to playing luke mcguane as a third tall.

the club has regularly got it wrong when it comes to developing talls they continue to stuff it up.
riewoldt was a chf and has become a lazy ff.albeit a good one.
post was a chb and was never ever allowed to settle in one position. we the club imo contributed greatly to his demise. he was literally pulled from pillar to post.
griffiths was touted as the next plugger thats how impressive as a ff he was. yet we refuse to play him forward because he struggled in his early yrs with injury. and need again over rides proper development.
astbury was a very good hit up chf and he played some reasonable games in his first yr as a forward and has never been seen there since. geez a hit up chf.
mcguane was actually a forward but in their wisdom turned him into a very poor defender. hes just ordinary anyway.
rance was a running hb when we drafted him but in their wisdom they plonked him on the last line of defense where his lack of judgment in the air is regularly found wanting.
vickery was the most promising young ruckman behind only natanui yet we hardly play him in the ruck and try to turn him into a chf. placing enormous pressure on maric foregoing a second ruckman and key forward when he actually does go in to the ruck.
they have allowed poor development or attempted to develop talls out of position  because of  poor list management and a dire need to play em out of position. seems they are continually hedging their bets with just about every  young tall they take.

ya know if they look like a key forward act like a key forward have the attributes of a key forward and play like a key forward they likely are a key forward ditto for the backs. yet we constantly refuse to look at the obvious and try to turn em into something they arent.

Um, do we follow the way the club develops someone or not? Can't have it both ways

lol probably should have rephrased it but im sure you can get over being pedantic and get the gist of what was said.

[Ruanaidh]

People keep ignoring the fact that Griff is now a CHB and IMO a potentially great one.

the griff myth keeps on being perpetuated. when will people start rating him on performance and not potential.
he may play chb but he sure hasnt done anything back there to show he is one.i still firmly believe he should have been developed as a genuine ff.

chaplin -  rance - grimes - mcintosh - astbury  and the rookie darrou are all key backs. or do we ignore the fact the club is developing them there.

Perhaps 'great' was a little over the top but he shows all the characteristics of a very good Key Back: height, size, closing speed, good spoiler and a mammoth kick. In time he will also start to take hangers. He would be wasted up forward imo and in the clubs opinion (you seem to ignore the fact that he also is being developed there  ). In any case we already have 2 quality full-time talls down forward and that is enough. We need a 190/92 lead up forward, 2 crumbers and a resting mid or ruck depending on match ups.....imo.

[gerkin greg]

Hey claw, just going outside of your passion for list management etc. for a moment, did you see anything in any of the newbies on Friday night that tickled the tender bits?

[Judge Roughneck]

Pettard seems to have a spot.

Mcgaune wont be. Surely to Geez.

i dont think we have traditional field positions anymore we have team structure. i know some still get hung up on chf or ff or chb but seriously they dont exist as they did in the past...

What i see on the field is we generally play a 7 man defence and a 5 man forward structure with the rest up around the middle.
so with no injuries:

Our defenders  Morris, Rance, Griffiths, Houli, Grimes, Chaplin and one of Batchelor or Petterd

forwards           Jack, Vickery, Jake and McGuane???need this spot fixed and Edwards

Mids                  Conca, Tuck, Cotch, Delideo, Grigg, Ellis, Vlastuin, Foley, Martin

Ruck                  Maric

The backs look tall but as you know the midfielders all run forward and back so its a nil argument. Grimes and Rance are both very mobile as well.

So what i see is glaring is that 3rd tall forward spot that does the blocking to clear paths for Jack and Vickery.  The names getting thrown around arent able to fill this spot so IMO that makes it difficult for those players to be placed forward. 

Griffiths is almost definitely now a backman, his kick ins are such an asset to the team, probably more than what he offers forward and he was a huge reason we beat Hawthorn

The interesting thing i see is Chaplin and Grimes because both play a similar style

We'll see oue mids go forward again and Martin and Cotch will kick plenty of goals.

We have some serious depth now so players will come in and out of form and be in and out of the team.

[Smokey]

Mcgaune wont be. Surely to Geez.

Like him or not Bents, its hard to knock his first 2 outings so far this season.  If he can produce that type of performance as a depth player when needed then we are a stronger side for it.

[Penelope]

yep,

until a kid (or mature player i suppose) can at least match him in performance for coburg he will probably stay

[Hellenic Tiger]

Love him or loathe him he is another tall.
Goes better in the fwd line nowadays.
Merely a depth player but right now would have him in front of A Edwards.

[Judge Roughneck]

I've spoken to non Richmond fans - who have said his lack of skill this year had been a stand out to them

[mightytiges]

My update after NAB 2:

B:    Morris         Rance       Batchelor
HB:  Houli         Chaplin       Petterd
C:  Newman      Martin         Ellis
HF:  Vlastuin     Riewoldt    Deledio
F:  S.Edwards   Vickery      Knights
R:  Maric    Tuck    Cotchin
Int: Grigg, Conca and one of Astbury/Griffiths as another tall.
Sub: one of King/Nahas/Arnot

nb. Grimes would replace one of Astbury/Griffiths and Foley would replace one of King/Nahas/Arnot if they were fit to play in round 1.

[Judge Roughneck]

I like aarnot but he's a few spots back o would think.

What is helbig status?

[Stripes]

What is helbig status?

I've been wondering the same 

[Gigantor]

Probably back this week according to Dimma