What's our best 22 now?

[tigs2011]

McDonut is a centreman?

Definitely can play there. How many minutes he spends in there depends how quickly he can shed that donut attached to his stomach.

im glad to see your optimistic about that. from what i can glean on him he has a long way to go to become a proficient afl midfielder.
while he has managed to spend limited time in the midfield as a part of rotations etc he is primarily a forward who we will have to develop into a mid. with our develoment record i wont be holding my breath.

but rather than just focus on the negatives if we can turn him into a mid he could be a very good player. ive been looking at what i can get on him he certainly kicks goals he certainly has very good skills both sides  now that is unrichmond like.. not sure about pace and at 179cm have a question about height though hes a solid kid which is good.
 dont know about motor  at a guess would say its not great and probably one reason he plays primarily forward.
will say with his skills which look great even if he does not become a mid he looks  an upgrade on the other sml forwards we have.

dont have a problem with him as a player but again i do ask if we wanted a mid why did we not just take a proven one. that is the only gripe. i dont really have a problem with any of the players we took but i will question what the roles they will perform and  actually have performed regularly.

He's very good in the middle when played there. He's just unfit and also the fact he is a very crafty/damaging forward he's best suited to primarily playing there. I think King's spot in the side is the one for him to aim for. King didn't play much as a shutdown forward this year with Jackson playing that role alot. King was a small forward who pinch hit in the middle.

McDonough could play this role and is better in the air (marking) and on the ground (goal sense), is a better kick and is also a better midfielder. King has him covered for pressure/tackling and leadership.

[Coach]

Chaplin needs to do an I Maric job in his first season.

And I need a new mansion

[Tigeritis™©®]

I've seen some posters on this thread happy to have A. Edwards already locked in the starting 22.
IMO he's got more to prove now than ever in his career and he's already off to a bad start with his off-field discretion 3 days after getting traded.
Don't think he's fairdinkum about his footy and he's still acting like a teenager.

I wouldn't have him in the starting team unless their was no one else left because of injury.

[Stripes]

I've seen some posters on this thread happy to have A. Edwards already locked in the starting 22.
IMO he's got more to prove now than ever in his career and he's already off to a bad start with his off-field discretion 3 days after getting traded.
Don't think he's fairdinkum about his footy and he's still acting like a teenager.

I wouldn't have him in the starting team unless their was no one else left because of injury.

 Just not sure now whether he is a small forward and would therefore be completing with S. Edwards or Nahas for the attacking small role, a defensive forward and therefore be competing with King for the role or he is a quasi tall and Griffiths is his competition? I think it would be S.Edwards and Nahas would he is fighting for a spot with but regardless he needs to earn his spot on the training track and/or VFL side first now imo.

[Gigantor]

would tend to think he plays a quasi tall.I certainly cant see him crumming off packs etc.But agree needs to earn his spot.And after his less than auspicious debut to things black and yellow .i would make him double earn his spot

[the claw]

I've seen some posters on this thread happy to have A. Edwards already locked in the starting 22.
IMO he's got more to prove now than ever in his career and he's already off to a bad start with his off-field discretion 3 days after getting traded.
Don't think he's fairdinkum about his footy and he's still acting like a teenager.

I wouldn't have him in the starting team unless their was no one else left because of injury.

i place edwards in our 22 because i consider him a better player than king nahas and edwards. he also offers us flexability in the forwrd line something the other 3 dont.
most sides will play a third quick  tall on this bloke and that means jack has one less coming over the top. really good on the lead do we have a player who actually leads well,  good at crashing packs  do our forwards do this deadly accurate omg a player at richmond who can kick straight at goal.  and for his size superb in the air warranting someone who can combat this.
he gives us something different. yes he has weaknesses in other areas but as a pure forward id take him over all of our small forwards.

i dont get the hate.  we have tried to find a player of  edwards type for ages, does taylor,  connors, morton,   macdonald, and ohanlon ring any bells  all cost yet we basically get edwrds for nothing and your not even prepared to give him a chance unbelievable.
you carry on as though he has no talent but hes actually a better forward than many we have. hes an upgrade on our list who cost nothing. he doesnt miss traing seesions he works damn hard on the track hes easy going but sometimes he likes a beer.
hes been in trouble 3 times or mucked up 3 times in how many yrs hes probably doing better than most afl players they just havent got caught out.

so lets see he works hard he trains hard he fits in hes an upgrade on what we have, he offers flexability and something different but because he has a few beers too many every now and then hes worthless. give me a freakin break and get in the real world.

daniel you do drink if you dont dont ever reply to one of my posts dont even read em one cannot trust a man who doesnt drink. i believe they are called wowsers.
i said it before your hung up on player age and you think all players should be angels grow up bud and get real.

[Judge Roughneck]

He's a FF mate
 
Pretty sure that's how he kicked 100 vfl goals

If he gets a game it'd be in place ofvickery Griffin jack

[Penelope]

  hes 184 cm, hardly KP size in the AFL.

i dont get the hate. 

just something he has plenty to spare and tries to make the world a better place by sharing it around as much as possible

one cannot trust a man who doesnt drink. i believe they are called wowsers.

you addressed it to the wrong bloke, but it helps explain point 1

[Judge Roughneck]

True - but he plays a led / mark based game based from the goal square

[Stripes]

The interesting call for me is, now that the draft and free agency are both finished, to judge whether any of our recruits are worthy of a game straight up and if so who's spot will they take?

[Tigeritis™©®]

I've seen some posters on this thread happy to have A. Edwards already locked in the starting 22.
IMO he's got more to prove now than ever in his career and he's already off to a bad start with his off-field discretion 3 days after getting traded.
Don't think he's fairdinkum about his footy and he's still acting like a teenager.

I wouldn't have him in the starting team unless their was no one else left because of injury.

i place edwards in our 22 because i consider him a better player than king nahas and edwards. he also offers us flexability in the forwrd line something the other 3 dont.
most sides will play a third quick  tall on this bloke and that means jack has one less coming over the top. really good on the lead do we have a player who actually leads well,  good at crashing packs  do our forwards do this deadly accurate omg a player at richmond who can kick straight at goal.  and for his size superb in the air warranting someone who can combat this.
he gives us something different. yes he has weaknesses in other areas but as a pure forward id take him over all of our small forwards.

i dont get the hate.  we have tried to find a player of  edwards type for ages, does taylor,  connors, morton,   macdonald, and ohanlon ring any bells  all cost yet we basically get edwrds for nothing and your not even prepared to give him a chance unbelievable.
you carry on as though he has no talent but hes actually a better forward than many we have. hes an upgrade on our list who cost nothing. he doesnt miss traing seesions he works damn hard on the track hes easy going but sometimes he likes a beer.
hes been in trouble 3 times or mucked up 3 times in how many yrs hes probably doing better than most afl players they just havent got caught out.

so lets see he works hard he trains hard he fits in hes an upgrade on what we have, he offers flexability and something different but because he has a few beers too many every now and then hes worthless. give me a freakin break and get in the real world.

daniel you do drink if you dont dont ever reply to one of my posts dont even read em one cannot trust a man who doesnt drink. i believe they are called wowsers.
i said it before your hung up on player age and you think all players should be angels grow up bud and get real.

First of all I'm not Daniel.
I don't think this guy is fairdinkum. It's my opinion which was somewhat vindicated by his actions 3 days after getting traded to us.
I personally wouldn't pin the teams finals hopes on this guy at all. The forward line would look far better with a host of players that could and would play together for the next 5 years. He won't be.
I'm not hung up on any one player I just don't beleive he was the correct fit for our club and once again his actions after being traded proved that he's never learnt anything in his years in the system which underlines his immaturity as a person.
We don't need these type of blokes in our team especially one who could influence other youngsters into bad behavior.
Secondly you tell me to grow up? You dont know me. I'll let this slide this time after all we all love the same team. 

[the claw]

I've seen some posters on this thread happy to have A. Edwards already locked in the starting 22.
IMO he's got more to prove now than ever in his career and he's already off to a bad start with his off-field discretion 3 days after getting traded.
Don't think he's fairdinkum about his footy and he's still acting like a teenager.

I wouldn't have him in the starting team unless their was no one else left because of injury.

i place edwards in our 22 because i consider him a better player than king nahas and edwards. he also offers us flexability in the forwrd line something the other 3 dont.
most sides will play a third quick  tall on this bloke and that means jack has one less coming over the top. really good on the lead do we have a player who actually leads well,  good at crashing packs  do our forwards do this deadly accurate omg a player at richmond who can kick straight at goal.  and for his size superb in the air warranting someone who can combat this.
he gives us something different. yes he has weaknesses in other areas but as a pure forward id take him over all of our small forwards.

i dont get the hate.  we have tried to find a player of  edwards type for ages, does taylor,  connors, morton,   macdonald, and ohanlon ring any bells  all cost yet we basically get edwrds for nothing and your not even prepared to give him a chance unbelievable.
you carry on as though he has no talent but hes actually a better forward than many we have. hes an upgrade on our list who cost nothing. he doesnt miss traing seesions he works damn hard on the track hes easy going but sometimes he likes a beer.
hes been in trouble 3 times or mucked up 3 times in how many yrs hes probably doing better than most afl players they just havent got caught out.

so lets see he works hard he trains hard he fits in hes an upgrade on what we have, he offers flexability and something different but because he has a few beers too many every now and then hes worthless. give me a freakin break and get in the real world.

daniel you do drink if you dont dont ever reply to one of my posts dont even read em one cannot trust a man who doesnt drink. i believe they are called wowsers.
i said it before your hung up on player age and you think all players should be angels grow up bud and get real.

First of all I'm not Daniel.
I don't think this guy is fairdinkum. It's my opinion which was somewhat vindicated by his actions 3 days after getting traded to us.
I personally wouldn't pin the teams finals hopes on this guy at all. The forward line would look far better with a host of players that could and would play together for the next 5 years. He won't be.
I'm not hung up on any one player I just don't beleive he was the correct fit for our club and once again his actions after being traded proved that he's never learnt anything in his years in the system which underlines his immaturity as a person.
We don't need these type of blokes in our team especially one who could influence other youngsters into bad behavior.
Secondly you tell me to grow up? You dont know me. I'll let this slide this time after all we all love the same team. 

thats laughable. you feel vindicated because you think yes only think a player is not fair dinkum. what having a few beers admitedly too many with your ex team mates who you just left for another club  in a period where you are allowed to drink and relax is proof that hes not fair dinkum unbelievable.

in his time at north can you point to one thing that says hes abad influence on others.. if anything the opposite has happened. so once again without any proof or any vindication you write off a badly needed experienced player of a type we have few of because you think he might corrupt the young adults at our club.
in his time at north can you point to just one scenario where he has failed to train or work consistently hard.
i could go on but i have to agree you arent hung up on one player your just hung up on the silly expectations you have for all players.

me ive have regularly stated whyi think hes is a decent get i havent pre judged him on footy or what i think his behavior should be away from the team. clearly you have.
id argue hes a perfect fit for our team atm. he is a now selection you clearly have a problem with that as well.

as far as i can see he improves us in areas we are weak in and lack depth. he brings experience and his character seems pretty good apart from lets say he works hard and when allowed he partys hard but according to you that is not on. prety good reason to get peeed if you like meeting up with your just departed team mates in a period where you are allowed to imbide in even a few too many.

can i ask why did we keep newman and tuck they wont be around in 5 yrs time.  why get ivan or knights. do you even agree you can address holes in the list with mature players or even veterans. do you even acknowledge we have age gaps in the list and games played problems. can and do clubs do both short term recruiting and long term recruiting.

finally what are you gonna let go. have a go say what you really think.  im just someone pointing out how petty and bloody minded you are being and unrealistic. tell me how many afl players get drunk in the off season or what percentage would you think.
 i dont need to know you to see your hoisting your morals and the way you expect players to behave upon not just our players but all players. i say again if not grow up get real.

hmm a question what is your stance with dayle garlett. now this will be interesting.

[tony_montana]

B....Morris Rance Grimes
HB..Houli Chaplin Batchelor
C....Deledio Foley Grigg
HF..Martin Vickery Edwards
F....Nahas Reiwoldt Griffiths
Foll.Maric Tuck Cotchin
Int: Conca, Newman, Ellis sub:Vlastuin

Thats the side I'd like to see, in truth Im very tempted to leave Newman out but have to be realistic he will get a game. Im living in lala land as it is without having Daniel jackson in the side...

3 talls down back 2 of which are very agile and can player on smaller players, plus Batchelor plays tall so plenty of options as we have newman, ellis and conca on the pine and all able to offer some run out of the backline if required.

Our full starting centreline and followers are as good as any going around, if fully fit we will smash sides.

Fwd line was hard, Im NOT a fan of 3 tall fwds, dont think it works very often unless one of the talls is exceptionally agile and can get on his bike and play very high half forward. Depending on matchups and sides we play Id be looking at Griffiths out for A.Edwards/Knights or King. But Im willing to give it a shot, can always sub out.  Nahas has his critics but his ability to put pressure on defenders and keep them honest is undervalued. Has proven he can hurt opposition on the scoreboard so they are wary of him.

Hopefully Helbig, Arnott, Astbury, O'Hanlon and Dea put presure on selectors by stepping up and developing well at coburg. Then you have players like King, Jackson, A.Edwards, Knights, McGuane, White as depth players. No pressure on our draftees, but Vlastuin is afl ready and will play from round 1 barring any hicups

List has come a long way.

[tigs2011]

Good post t_m. But you lost me when you started hoping players would develop at Coburg. 

[Tigeritis™©®]

I've seen some posters on this thread happy to have A. Edwards already locked in the starting 22.
IMO he's got more to prove now than ever in his career and he's already off to a bad start with his off-field discretion 3 days after getting traded.
Don't think he's fairdinkum about his footy and he's still acting like a teenager.

I wouldn't have him in the starting team unless their was no one else left because of injury.

i place edwards in our 22 because i consider him a better player than king nahas and edwards. he also offers us flexability in the forwrd line something the other 3 dont.
most sides will play a third quick  tall on this bloke and that means jack has one less coming over the top. really good on the lead do we have a player who actually leads well,  good at crashing packs  do our forwards do this deadly accurate omg a player at richmond who can kick straight at goal.  and for his size superb in the air warranting someone who can combat this.
he gives us something different. yes he has weaknesses in other areas but as a pure forward id take him over all of our small forwards.

i dont get the hate.  we have tried to find a player of  edwards type for ages, does taylor,  connors, morton,   macdonald, and ohanlon ring any bells  all cost yet we basically get edwrds for nothing and your not even prepared to give him a chance unbelievable.
you carry on as though he has no talent but hes actually a better forward than many we have. hes an upgrade on our list who cost nothing. he doesnt miss traing seesions he works damn hard on the track hes easy going but sometimes he likes a beer.
hes been in trouble 3 times or mucked up 3 times in how many yrs hes probably doing better than most afl players they just havent got caught out.

so lets see he works hard he trains hard he fits in hes an upgrade on what we have, he offers flexability and something different but because he has a few beers too many every now and then hes worthless. give me a freakin break and get in the real world.

daniel you do drink if you dont dont ever reply to one of my posts dont even read em one cannot trust a man who doesnt drink. i believe they are called wowsers.
i said it before your hung up on player age and you think all players should be angels grow up bud and get real.

First of all I'm not Daniel.
I don't think this guy is fairdinkum. It's my opinion which was somewhat vindicated by his actions 3 days after getting traded to us.
I personally wouldn't pin the teams finals hopes on this guy at all. The forward line would look far better with a host of players that could and would play together for the next 5 years. He won't be.
I'm not hung up on any one player I just don't beleive he was the correct fit for our club and once again his actions after being traded proved that he's never learnt anything in his years in the system which underlines his immaturity as a person.
We don't need these type of blokes in our team especially one who could influence other youngsters into bad behavior.
Secondly you tell me to grow up? You dont know me. I'll let this slide this time after all we all love the same team. 

thats laughable. you feel vindicated because you think yes only think a player is not fair dinkum. what having a few beers admitedly too many with your ex team mates who you just left for another club  in a period where you are allowed to drink and relax is proof that hes not fair dinkum unbelievable.

in his time at north can you point to one thing that says hes abad influence on others.. if anything the opposite has happened. so once again without any proof or any vindication you write off a badly needed experienced player of a type we have few of because you think he might corrupt the young adults at our club.
in his time at north can you point to just one scenario where he has failed to train or work consistently hard.
i could go on but i have to agree you arent hung up on one player your just hung up on the silly expectations you have for all players.

me ive have regularly stated whyi think hes is a decent get i havent pre judged him on footy or what i think his behavior should be away from the team. clearly you have.
id argue hes a perfect fit for our team atm. he is a now selection you clearly have a problem with that as well.

as far as i can see he improves us in areas we are weak in and lack depth. he brings experience and his character seems pretty good apart from lets say he works hard and when allowed he partys hard but according to you that is not on. prety good reason to get peeed if you like meeting up with your just departed team mates in a period where you are allowed to imbide in even a few too many.

can i ask why did we keep newman and tuck they wont be around in 5 yrs time.  why get ivan or knights. do you even agree you can address holes in the list with mature players or even veterans. do you even acknowledge we have age gaps in the list and games played problems. can and do clubs do both short term recruiting and long term recruiting.

finally what are you gonna let go. have a go say what you really think.  im just someone pointing out how petty and bloody minded you are being and unrealistic. tell me how many afl players get drunk in the off season or what percentage would you think.
 i dont need to know you to see your hoisting your morals and the way you expect players to behave upon not just our players but all players. i say again if not grow up get real.

hmm a question what is your stance with dayle garlett. now this will be interesting.

He went out with mates but he got locked up and fined. Where were his mates? Why didn't they get locked up also?
Have you ever asked why he was let go? Was it bad behavior maybe? Or was he a bad influence on others? Or both? 
I'd expect more from an older aged player especially one that has been let go from 2 previous clubs?

Both Tuck & Newman have been excellent servants of the club and great leaders both on and off the field. No reason to cut them if they're still required players.
Edwards is completely different in that he has to prove he's willing to do anything to show he's fairdinkum and give it one last crack. His actions prove opposite in my opinion.

On Dayle Gartlett I don't have an strong opinion on it either way because I don't know much about him at all except on what I've read.
Apparently hes got some discipline issues and likes to party as most youngsters do and he has freakish ability on field.
Our club has shown it hasn't a clue on dealing with the issues associated with indigenous youngsters with our ordinary record in that regard. But that also may have a lot to do with our poor recruiting and poor development in the past.
I'd hope that the club has learnt from issues in the past and we'd be a lot better accommodating and settling aboriginal players because we need more in our team for dreamtime @ the G. 
Seriously though, any youngster can be moulded and taught especially with good mentors around them. A chance to make his dreams a reality in the big league and I'd love to see our club succeed with a player like Dayle 
A.Edwards has had numerous chances to show he's matured and fairdinkum about his footy but instead he showed he still hasn't grown up yet and he hasn't learnt anything from his past.