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tony_montana

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2012, 09:44:26 AM »
Good post t_m. But you lost me when you started hoping players would develop at Coburg.  :lol

 :lol  fair call - how about develop at training through the season with our bigger and improved coaching panel?

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2012, 04:42:54 PM »
Backs: Rance/Chaplin/Morris
H/Backs: Houli/Griff/Batchelor
Centres: Newman/Cotchin/Grigg
H/Forwards: Martin/Vicks/Knights
Forwards:King/Reiwoldt/D. Astbury

Followers: Maric/Deledio/Tuck

Bench: Ellis/Conca/S.Edwards/Foley

Emergencies: Edwards/Vlaustin/Nahas/Elton

Grimes left out for obvious reasons.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #77 on: November 27, 2012, 07:45:35 PM »
B   Morris       Chaplin     Grimes

HB. Conca     Rance       Batchelor

C.  Deledio     Foley      Grigg

HF.  Martin     Griffiths     Vickery

F.    Nahas     Riewoldt     S Edwards

R.    Maric      Tuck          Cotchin

Int.  A Edwards  Vlaustin Houli Ellis


Depth left out of 22 IMHO, Dea, Astbury,McGuane,O'Hanlon, Jackson,King,Knights, Helbig,McIntosh, McBean, McDonough,White,Derickx,Elton,Arnot,Darrou,Verrier plus 2 PSD. I left out Newman, I just could not fit him in across half fwd which I think is where he should be played. Let the back 6-8 settle, Newman long term will not be a part of any success the team may have if his position is the backline.

I can finally see some depth in our side and the number of cloggers at this point in time is at its lowest for a long long time. We finally look like getting somewhere with our list although we need a few kids to come on and some more recruits to be picked up. :thumbsup



   


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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #78 on: November 27, 2012, 09:19:56 PM »
Vlaustin wouldn't get a gig over Newman Tucker. I also can't imagine King being excluded either while he still exemplifies the coaches style of play. Knights too would be unlucky to miss out after just being convinced to come over from Adelaide. I'm thinking Ellis would make way for him unless a spot is created through injury.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #79 on: November 27, 2012, 09:33:26 PM »
Vlaustin wouldn't get a gig over Newman Tucker.

I've done my preferred 22 and I can't fit Newie in. Wishingful thinking though probably.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2012, 10:30:12 PM »
Vlaustin wouldn't get a gig over Newman Tucker. I also can't imagine King being excluded either while he still exemplifies the coaches style of play. Knights too would be unlucky to miss out after just being convinced to come over from Adelaide. I'm thinking Ellis would make way for him unless a spot is created through injury.

Whilst the case for Newman, Knights, Vlaustin etc may be compelling what I truly love about this exercise is that 30 does not go into 22. It's called depth. Two years ago we were having discussions we can't play this guy he has no experience or he's past it or blah blah blah.

While you may be right in your logic I in mine cannot fit him in given we have 42 players available to pick our best 22 as per the criteria of this exercise and given the fact that Grimes and Foley come round 1 or for a few weeks after that may not be available.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #81 on: December 02, 2012, 02:25:17 PM »
Vlaustin wouldn't get a gig over Newman Tucker.

I've done my preferred 22 and I can't fit Newie in. Wishingful thinking though probably.
im in the same boat. whatwill happen though is newman will play the yr out and he will be shown the respect a 200 plus game recent captain of the club deserves.

i think newmans role in the backline does need reviewing by the club.
my personal preference is to see morris go into the midfield as our tagger. id like to see helbig given a crack at morriss role down back and i definately prefer to see vlastuin to start his career of a hbf working his way into the middle.
 i also would like to see conca go back to the hb line. lots of hb options with sml/med sized platers conca ellis  vlastuin helbig imo, morris batchelor and if mcintosh is to be a running player definately mcintosh.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #82 on: December 02, 2012, 06:51:57 PM »
Vlaustin wouldn't get a gig over Newman Tucker.

I've done my preferred 22 and I can't fit Newie in. Wishingful thinking though probably.
im in the same boat. whatwill happen though is newman will play the yr out and he will be shown the respect a 200 plus game recent captain of the club deserves.

i think newmans role in the backline does need reviewing by the club.
my personal preference is to see morris go into the midfield as our tagger. id like to see helbig given a crack at morriss role down back and i definately prefer to see vlastuin to start his career of a hbf working his way into the middle.
 i also would like to see conca go back to the hb line. lots of hb options with sml/med sized platers conca ellis  vlastuin helbig imo, morris batchelor and if mcintosh is to be a running player definately mcintosh.

Why fix what's not broken? Leave Morris he's been a defender his whole career why be fancy and try and change him. Its Mcintosh, Vickery, Astbury, Griffiths all over again  :banghead  :banghead

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #83 on: December 02, 2012, 07:09:15 PM »
 :lol
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #84 on: December 02, 2012, 07:53:52 PM »
B   Morris       Chaplin     Grimes

HB. Conca     Rance       Batchelor

C.  Deledio     Foley      Grigg

HF.  Martin     Griffiths     Vickery

F.    Nahas     Riewoldt     S Edwards

R.    Maric      Tuck          Cotchin

Int.  A Edwards  Vlaustin Houli Ellis


Depth left out of 22 IMHO, Dea, Astbury,McGuane,O'Hanlon, Jackson,King,Knights, Helbig,McIntosh, McBean, McDonough,White,Derickx,Elton,Arnot,Darrou,Verrier plus 2 PSD. I left out Newman, I just could not fit him in across half fwd which I think is where he should be played. Let the back 6-8 settle, Newman long term will not be a part of any success the team may have if his position is the backline.

I can finally see some depth in our side and the number of cloggers at this point in time is at its lowest for a long long time. We finally look like getting somewhere with our list although we need a few kids to come on and some more recruits to be picked up. :thumbsup



 

That's a quality centre line and on ball division  :clapping
Just quietly, there is probably 200+ goals each season in that forward line if Griffiths can get going.
You only need the mids to kick another 4-5 goals and there's 15 goals per game.
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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #85 on: December 02, 2012, 09:48:55 PM »
B:   Morris       Grimes     Rance

I truly believe Morris has the chance to be a premier lock down defensive player on opposition smalls if he isn't already. Grimes and Rance really will float between holding down full back/ third tall option depending on the team. I truly believe that Troy Chaplin will allow both to play more flexible and enable them both to attack more.

HB: Batchelor      Chaplin       Houli

Chaplin obvisouly will take the monster CHF types. Batchleor has long been recognized as one of the best readers of the ball in flight, being a floating 4th tall who can also counter punch and play off the wing with good footskills gives him the nod for me. Houli/ Newman for mine off the back line for that running break the lines sort of back flanker.

C:  Newman     Deledio    Grigg

Griggs ability to find space we all know about. Deledio was an All Australian last year so obviously he needs to be in there. The difficulty I think is whether you play Newman or Conca here. Of the few times that Newman played on the wing last year and wasn't tagged, he looked very damaging. It also gives the backline the floating 7th defender which was played quite well by Conca I thought at the beginning of last year.

HF.  Martin     Vickery     Knights

Entry inside forward 50 is a big weakness of last season. Having Martin and Knights with booming kicks who can hit a target is a massive requirement going forward. I thought that Nahas and King were asked to many times last year to be leading marking targets 60-80 meters out last year. Knights and Martin give solid marking targets as well as play makers to enter the ball into the forward 50. Vickery is more of a classic CHF at the moment than a third tall. Go back two seasons when Jack and Ty were the two highest combined goal kicking partnership for all teams and it reminds of how important Ty is to the team.

F.    A Edwards     Riewoldt     S Edwards

Riewoldt for obvious reasons. I picked Shane Edwards ahead of King and Nahas because I think he's better in the air, and a little more opportunistic on the ground. I personally think the forward pocket/s are the two most competitive positions on the ground with whom you can slot in there. I went with Aaron Edwards over Astbury or Griffiths because I think he is a better leading mark. One thing I think that RFC can improve on going forward is not creating congestion in the air. Vickery is handy on the lead, and A Edwards is very good, creating space in the forward 50 and allow firstly Jack more room at the footy, but also more opportunities in front of goal. 

R.    Maric      Tuck          Cotchin

Pretty self explanatory one would think.

Int.  Ellis Foley Conca SUB: King

Really where it gets interesting. Foley at 100% is a must as most people would probably agree with. I think that Ellis may be groomed as a tagging option to replace Jackson because of his tank as well as being a big body. Conca being an inside/ outside mid who did quite well I thought being a floating 7th defender at the end of last season. Most people have said over multiple boards, he is primed for a breakout year is Conca. King I just cannot leave out. Barometer for the team sort of guy, hard at the footy, competitive, guy people can rally around. I doubt he will be the sub at any stage of the 2013 season but cannot leave him out.

Depth: Jackson, Astbury, Griffiths, Vlaustin, Nahas, Helbig, Dea, Arnot

This is what I am most excited about, our depth. Its starting to get a compination of potentially gun players (Elton, Vlaustin, Griffiths etc.) with a good spread of midfielders, and key position players. Guys like Nahas, Jackson and White add experience whilst not being potentially gun players. Depth creates competition. Compeitition initiates improvement. Griffiths and Astbury battling for title of 3rd tall or 3rd back should an injury strike. Arnot, Jackson, Vlaustin (who will probably find his way into the best 22 at some stage if not already) and Arnot competiting for a role in the guts going forward as well.

Thats my hap-hazard thoughts on the best 22. It's extremely hard to pick, which is never a bad thing.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2012, 10:17:25 PM »
Cause Morris is a huge upgrade on Jackson.


Vlaustin wouldn't get a gig over Newman Tucker.

I've done my preferred 22 and I can't fit Newie in. Wishingful thinking though probably.
im in the same boat. whatwill happen though is newman will play the yr out and he will be shown the respect a 200 plus game recent captain of the club deserves.

i think newmans role in the backline does need reviewing by the club.
my personal preference is to see morris go into the midfield as our tagger. id like to see helbig given a crack at morriss role down back and i definately prefer to see vlastuin to start his career of a hbf working his way into the middle.
 i also would like to see conca go back to the hb line. lots of hb options with sml/med sized platers conca ellis  vlastuin helbig imo, morris batchelor and if mcintosh is to be a running player definately mcintosh.

Why fix what's not broken? Leave Morris he's been a defender his whole career why be fancy and try and change him. Its Mcintosh, Vickery, Astbury, Griffiths all over again  :banghead  :banghead

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #87 on: December 02, 2012, 10:37:03 PM »
Morris is the best lockdown small defender this club has had in too stuffing long and people want to move him out of there after 20 games... FFS...

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #88 on: December 02, 2012, 10:42:27 PM »
If u were coaching with Richmond, would u rather Jackson or Morris in there?

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #89 on: December 02, 2012, 10:54:56 PM »
If u were coaching with Richmond, would u rather Jackson or Morris in there?

Jackson.....