What's our best 22 now?

[Penelope]

I'm the same with sudanese players

[tony_montana]

Good for you

[the claw]

The problem is everybody is getting taller. So what was a reasonable or ideal height 10 years ago may not be ideal in 5 years time.......

And yet. Na stuff it i have said what i wanted say on it. It was  originally posted as an observation yet the nuffies yrs later still take the pee out of.
Today i have joined the Nuffies, im here  to do nothing but belittle add nothing and take the pee. Chucky where are you brother.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Tell you what, if in 10 yrs time we have several 200+cm Fwds dominating then I'll change my mind

I don't think you'll have to wait that long. Maybe just 2 to 3 and I think many will be changing their attitude. Why?

Because until the last 5 years, 200cm players were ruck men almost exclusively. So there have been precious few forwards to make the grade at that height. Now we will get a few more like Daniher and Boyd coming through things may change.

[tony_montana]

Tell you what, if in 10 yrs time we have several 200+cm Fwds dominating then I'll change my mind

I don't think you'll have to wait that long. Maybe just 2 to 3 and I think many will be changing their attitude. Why?

Because until the last 5 years, 200cm players were ruck men almost exclusively. So there have been precious few forwards to make the grade at that height. Now we will get a few more like Daniher and Boyd coming through things may change.

We shall see. Both of those guys will not be amongst the dominant key Fwds of the comp imo. Boyd doesn't have the agility and Daniher will lose his when he puts on the weight he needs.  Give me a Hogan, Cameron type over either of those anyday

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Tell you what, if in 10 yrs time we have several 200+cm Fwds dominating then I'll change my mind

I don't think you'll have to wait that long. Maybe just 2 to 3 and I think many will be changing their attitude. Why?

Because until the last 5 years, 200cm players were ruck men almost exclusively. So there have been precious few forwards to make the grade at that height. Now we will get a few more like Daniher and Boyd coming through things may change.

We shall see. Both of those guys will not be amongst the dominant key Fwds of the comp imo. Boyd doesn't have the agility and Daniher will lose his when he puts on the weight he needs.  Give me a Hogan, Cameron type over either of those anyday

It's not 200cm per se that is the issue. Numbers are less overall so the pool of talent is much much smaller at that height. Doesn't mean that we won't find anyone though. Height is overrated either way. It works the other way too. Just because you are less than 180cm doesn't mean you won't make it. It's how well you can play. Some of the best players of all time have been less than 180cm. Sam Mitchell is under 180cm and is a star.
So if we find someone who can play the game and is over 200cm, we should grab him because he will become a dominant forward.

[Stalin]

They are getting bigger, people

[tony_montana]

Tell you what, if in 10 yrs time we have several 200+cm Fwds dominating then I'll change my mind

I don't think you'll have to wait that long. Maybe just 2 to 3 and I think many will be changing their attitude. Why?

Because until the last 5 years, 200cm players were ruck men almost exclusively. So there have been precious few forwards to make the grade at that height. Now we will get a few more like Daniher and Boyd coming through things may change.

We shall see. Both of those guys will not be amongst the dominant key Fwds of the comp imo. Boyd doesn't have the agility and Daniher will lose his when he puts on the weight he needs.  Give me a Hogan, Cameron type over either of those anyday

It's not 200cm per se that is the issue. Numbers are less overall so the pool of talent is much much smaller at that height. Doesn't mean that we won't find anyone though. Height is overrated either way. It works the other way too. Just because you are less than 180cm doesn't mean you won't make it. It's how well you can play. Some of the best players of all time have been less than 180cm. Sam Mitchell is under 180cm and is a star.
So if we find someone who can play the game and is over 200cm, we should grab him because he will become a dominant forward.

Well actually it is the issue... it's a smaller talent pool but not that small - off the top of my head I named a fair few above, I'm sure there a more. Vardy, Gorringe, Essendon tried Bellchambers as a stay at home fwd, kruezer...
I'm not saying they're useless, but if you are going to get the pick of the afl schoolyard for 2 key Fwds, I doubt any will come from the 200+cm list. To date, they have proven to be bit part fwd/rucks not dominant key Fwds which is what this whole discussion is about. And your right it's about how well you can play, and right now I wouldn't have a 200Cm fwd (and there are plenty of them) in the top dozen key Fwds in the comp, would you?

"He will become a dominant forward" in your opinion.... It is my opinion that he won't

Not sure why you even brought up the point of the 180cm, not  a good analogy

[Penelope]

those you listed failed as rucks and were tried as forwards as a last resort, no?

[tony_montana]

No

Apart from Bellchambers and Zac Clarke

[Penelope]

maybe failed was the wrong wording, but they are all rucks or ruck/forwards rather than forwards

[Andyy]

Paul Salmon was pretty good...

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Paul Salmon was pretty good...

Also thought Ottens was a star for us up forward.

[Stalin]

and for geelong

general patton
boyd
mcbean
hogan
hawkins
pimples

its clear as mud they are getting bigger, regardless of clawks 2 meter fetish

every position is getting larger / faster / more endurance

you have to be very good to make it as a little person

compare the size of the richmond history famous key forward and rucks to the current list

[tony_montana]

maybe failed was the wrong wording, but they are all rucks or ruck/forwards rather than forwards

Correct and they're ruck/forwards rather than Fwds for a reason - at that size they will always fill a need to be part time ruck - jack of all trades master of none.