What's our best 22 now?

[Stalin]

Best 22 based on what. Performance or potential. Either way its not good haarrggghhh.

Based on the rubbish Dimmas mates serve up year after year

[Stalin]

Grimes. Astbury. Yarren.
Castanja. Rance. Mcintosh.
Rioli. Vlastuin. C Ellis.
Edwards. Riewoldt. Lennon.
Deledio. Chol. Cotchin.
Maric. Martin. Miles.

Menadue.
McBean.
Lambert.



 

[Diocletian]

Maybe not our best 22 right now but te one we should be playing fir the rest of the year.

Grimes Griffiths/Elton/C.Moore Yarran
Castagna Rance C.Ellis
Miles Vlastuin Martin
McBean Edwards Butler
Rioli Riewoldt Deledio
Cotchin Vickery Lambert


Lennon
McIntosh
Menadue
Short

Rest some of our senior /best players and give games to Townsend, Markov & Broad towards the end of the year as well as farewell/good riddance games to spuds like Conca, Grigg , Houli, Chaplin, Maric (not a spud but cooked), Hamspud, A.Moore, B.Ellis...etc...which should improve our draft position...

[Stalin]

Rioli needs to not be dropped ...

Well done miles lids matin

Vlastuin needs to stay in the middle ...

Grimes and rance need help ...

Jack is a machine

Short serviceable again

Lloyd keeps his spot for a while ...

[Tigeritis™©®]

So many full of hope with the inclusions of the cream on the cake with Broad, Moore, let's not forget that big fish Townsend to help buffett those pesky taggers trying to bully our captain. 
Superstar youngsters waiting in the wings like Elton Struggled and the highly regarded stick insect McBean.

Does anyone truly think our club can develop any of these types? Are we capable of actually building a list that can enjoy a sustained high level pushing for top four and even grand finals?
If Ol' man Jackson can pick 'em, does anyone really expect Chewing-gum Chocco's sideline barking is going to really develop a team of hardened psycho's that won't sleep until the ultimate prize is won?
Does anyone think that Dumma's 10 year old game plan will eventually prevail and suddenly make us the most skillful team in the league? Or able to actually prevent the opposition kicking coast to coast goals at ease? Will we ever see a tackle, shepherd or a hip & shoulder under this regime? Will we ever have a functional forward line consistently kicking over 100+ points a match? Will they ever demand excellence and expect only high standards? 



We're just living the dream at Tigerland. 

[the claw]

hmm best 22 based on Mature  players worth keeping and only includes players who have shown they can consistently play to a decent afl level.

FB: Grimes - #### - ####
HB: #### - Rance - ####

OB: #### - Cotchin - Miles
MID: Deledio - Martin - Yarran

HF: #### - Riewoldt - ####
FF: #### - #### - ####

INT: Vlastuin -  McIntosh - Edwards - ####

Obviously it does not include juniors as none have reached a good level of afl consistency. The blank spots where possible should be filled with juniors or at seasons end with very good mature recruits.
juniors for the backline
Castagna, Menadue. there are no decent talls mature or junior to fill the holes. Mcintosh, Vlastuin and Conca are options

Mids/Onballers
we dont have a top flight ruckman  or decent junior. juniors are
Drummond, C Ellis, Menadue, Markov. there are mature options. Greatest need here is a high quality big bodied mid.

Forwards
We have no junior tall fwds ready.
McBean is as good as gone it leaves McKenzie, Chol, C Moore, sml/med fwds who could fill the blanks are Lennon, Rioli, Butler.

There are 20 odd  players not mentioned and over the next few years i would be looking to trade them out or delist them.
We are going to have to go into a very heavy rebuild phase .

[big tone]

hmm best 22 based on Mature  players worth keeping and only includes players who have shown they can consistently play to a decent afl level.

FB: Grimes - #### - ####
HB: #### - Rance - ####

OB: #### - Cotchin - Miles
MID: Deledio - Martin - Yarran

HF: #### - Riewoldt - ####
FF: #### - #### - ####

INT: Vlastuin -  McIntosh - Edwards - ####

Obviously it does not include juniors as none have reached a good level of afl consistency. The blank spots where possible should be filled with juniors or at seasons end with very good mature recruits.
juniors for the backline
Castagna, Menadue. there are no decent talls mature or junior to fill the holes. Mcintosh, Vlastuin and Conca are options

Mids/Onballers
we dont have a top flight ruckman  or decent junior. juniors are
Drummond, C Ellis, Menadue, Markov. there are mature options. Greatest need here is a high quality big bodied mid.

Forwards
We have no junior tall fwds ready.
McBean is as good as gone it leaves McKenzie, Chol, C Moore, sml/med fwds who could fill the blanks are Lennon, Rioli, Butler.

There are 20 odd  players not mentioned and over the next few years i would be looking to trade them out or delist them.
We are going to have to go into a very heavy rebuild phase .

I don't get why you have 3 guys on the bench and not in the starting 18?
Don't you think Vlastuin is in our best 18?.. And even Edwards?

And up until this year I wasn't sold on McIntosh but him playing across HB has been good for us. And he will get better the more he plays there.
We need to be tougher..
We draft such soft kids IMO. It seems like a prerequisite of late. CEllis, Menadue, Rioli I know are all young but all are pretty soft if we are being truthful.

Like you said we need a big bodied mid that can actually use it to his advantage. North's midfielders last night made ours look small and skinny. We need a couple of 190cm beasts who can bully teams in the centre. Cripps would be handy right about now. In stead we have Lennon who realiscly a very one dimensional player, that cannot even force himself into our side. Hardwick in his wisdom wants to try and play him everywhere except as a leading forward. He is not a backman or a midfielder.

The rest of your team is 100% right which is really sad after 7 years with Dimma. And FJ.

The likes of Grigg, Houli, Hunt, Maric, Moore, Townsend, Chaplin, Ellis, Astbury, Vickery, Griffiths, Morris and Batchelor should be shown the door. All have shown they are either past their best or let the club down too many times to be retained.
Some decent picks should come from the likes of Vickery, Griffiths and BEllis. And even Lennon if we were serious.
The other I think might get us a decent pick is Miles. I like the kid but I just don't think he is damaging enough. He works his arse off but we need better. We have Vlastuin that should be playing that roll and another big bodied mid that is needed. I know that's probably not that popular but I've thought that for a while. We need guys that can break lines and be damaging and Miles is dower and really quite slow.
And of course the last one is Lids. But it's all been said before.

[Stalin]

Pretty much agree w claw

 - vlastuin mid
 - Edwards forward

[Yeahright]

We draft such soft kids IMO. It seems like a prerequisite of late. CEllis, Menadue, Rioli I know are all young but all are pretty soft if we are being truthful.

Is Rioli soft, or just weak? Doesn't appear to be all that soft to me, just tries to use his pace but doesn't have the strength to keep his feet and break tackles. I hope this falling over business is just that though, and not a permanent thing.

We need a couple of 190mm beasts

That's definitely outside the box

[big tone]

We draft such soft kids IMO. It seems like a prerequisite of late. CEllis, Menadue, Rioli I know are all young but all are pretty soft if we are being truthful.

Is Rioli soft, or just weak? Doesn't appear to be all that soft to me, just tries to use his pace but doesn't have the strength to keep his feet and break tackles. I hope this falling over business is just that though, and not a permanent thing.

We need a couple of 190mm beasts

That's definitely outside the box

Weak, soft, it's the same thing.
I saw him go to ground the other night in the centre of the ground just chasing after the footy. Not tackled, just decided to go to ground because that's an easy way out. I know he is young and skinny but if you allow it to happen without pulling him up on it, he will keep doing it.
Not good enough for a first round draft choice IMO.
I know this sounds ridiculous but it wouldn't happen at the Sydney Swans.

What are your thoughts on the other two I mentioned?

[Owl]

Rioli will mature into a good player, Macca and Vlastuin are fine, agree with the rest.  Reckon Chol will be a good player, moves like a cat for a bloke his size.  Not sure what the hell is going on with Lennon, he should of been playing, now is injured...must of dumped in the coaches hat. 

[Yeahright]

We draft such soft kids IMO. It seems like a prerequisite of late. CEllis, Menadue, Rioli I know are all young but all are pretty soft if we are being truthful.

Is Rioli soft, or just weak? Doesn't appear to be all that soft to me, just tries to use his pace but doesn't have the strength to keep his feet and break tackles. I hope this falling over business is just that though, and not a permanent thing.

We need a couple of 190mm beasts

That's definitely outside the box

Weak, soft, it's the same thing.
I saw him go to ground the other night in the centre of the ground just chasing after the footy. Not tackled, just decided to go to ground because that's an easy way out. I know he is young and skinny but if you allow it to happen without pulling him up on it, he will keep doing it.
Not good enough for a first round draft choice IMO.
I know this sounds ridiculous but it wouldn't happen at the Sydney Swans.

What are your thoughts on the other two I mentioned?

To me it's a little different. Soft = mental, shirking contests, taking the easy way out. Weak = lacking strength, still attempts the hard stuff. Hence why I questioned if you think he's soft or weak but you answered it either way.

CEllis I think is soft but I'm going to give him time before I start berating him. Menadue I think more lacks strength than guts but his non-decision to use his pace and run is worrisome

[Stalin]

Rioli. C Ellis. Menadue. Are weak

Not soft. Soft is Chaplin. Houli.

[big tone]

We draft such soft kids IMO. It seems like a prerequisite of late. CEllis, Menadue, Rioli I know are all young but all are pretty soft if we are being truthful.

Is Rioli soft, or just weak? Doesn't appear to be all that soft to me, just tries to use his pace but doesn't have the strength to keep his feet and break tackles. I hope this falling over business is just that though, and not a permanent thing.

We need a couple of 190mm beasts

That's definitely outside the box

Weak, soft, it's the same thing.
I saw him go to ground the other night in the centre of the ground just chasing after the footy. Not tackled, just decided to go to ground because that's an easy way out. I know he is young and skinny but if you allow it to happen without pulling him up on it, he will keep doing it.
Not good enough for a first round draft choice IMO.
I know this sounds ridiculous but it wouldn't happen at the Sydney Swans.

What are your thoughts on the other two I mentioned?

To me it's a little different. Soft = mental, shirking contests, taking the easy way out. Weak = lacking strength, still attempts the hard stuff. Hence why I questioned if you think he's soft or weak but you answered it either way.

CEllis I think is soft but I'm going to give him time before I start berating him. Menadue I think more lacks strength than guts but his non-decision to use his pace and run is worrisome

That one contest I'm talking about with Rioli was as soft as I've seen from him and as I said should be bought up with him in there meetings. No question.
I'd like to see it again but I couldn't put myself through watching that game again.
Menadue and Ellis have also had moments like this too.
Not writing any of them off and still want them playing but they need to be told.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I fear that our youngsters model themselves on the group above them. Guys like Brandon Ellis......