so how do we use a psd pick. the only option i could see was the newman option if that is closed it would mean we have to cut another player that wont happen.
so any talk of a psd pick is well just silly then.
gotta say im pretty peeed with this situation and again it shows just how poorly we run our list and over rate players we have.
you should get with the program before slagging off claw. we can use a psd if we want, or we can use all remaining picks on rookies. its been posted numerous times on numerous forums.
surely the idea that taking a long shot as a rookie for one year is actually better list management than tying them up for 2 via the PSD
that still doesnt explain how we can use a psd pick.
we have 38 on the list proper if we are not allowed to use the vets list how do we do it. the only way i can see is if we cut a contracted player. id like someone to explain how it now works i say that with a big please.
In the previous post you said you read OE's post, but just in case you didn't understand (42??), you can have the following combination of senior and category A rookies (as in non international and all that, just a regular rookie),
38 and 6
39 and 5
40 and 4
Veterans are now included in the senior list numbers and the benefits are more for salary cap purposes. The requirement for a vet now is only 10 years service at the club. Instead of being restricted to only two vets and half their salary being outside the cap, now you can have as many as your senior space list allows and the first $100k of their salary is not counted to TPP. It helps clubs like Geelong to manage their list.
I'm fine with us taking one of these potatoes (Wood or hOrrendous) as a rookie because they're only a last resort back up and no strings attached. They'll give the same output as a state league player anyway. I'm not completely sold on giving state level players a shot because they are doing well at that level either. There are many more factors to take in other than just how they go at the level. Different state leagues are different styles for starters, and only a handful of clubs have AFL environments. Take Adam Cockie for example. Was serviceable as a rookie at WCE and WAFL level, but excelled last season in the VFL for Sandringham because the more congested and inside style of the VFL, most similar to AFL, suited him (rather than the faster outside nature of the WAFL) and Sandringham is a Mecca for ex-AFL listed players. It's the same club that Magner came from, and for the reasons mentioned Sikora would be the only bloke I'd be looking at from any state league but currently he's being assessed by St Kilda.
We're not ready to push for a flag yet and blind freddy can see we have a short term ruck issue, but unless we can find someone to take the next 5-7 years after Maric then it's just an equal waste of a PSD or ND pick. Reckon the club has a plan to consolidate its losses this year in the ruck department but will shop the poo out of opposition lists over the next season or two to find someone. At least in the mean time we get an elite next generation midfield and the ruckman will be the final piece of the puzzle.
Just IMO.
thanks for the heads up. just a typo with 42 had it stuck in my head for some reason.
okay. adam cockie was an inside machine at subiaco tough inside ball winner who could not kick to save himself. he was very good at wafl level hence he got on wce list. his ability to get the ball has never been in question.
i have real issues with taking proven duds. wood and stephenson are that. as you say we have great need for a back up or last resort as you put it. they are last resort due to shoddy list management and poor player assesment. we have had this debate for god knows how many yrs and it continues.
im the opposite ive seen enough of wood and stephenson to know a kid like jack hannath will likely offer more and at worst just as much and he has an upside.
your not taking him as a last resort you are taking him to fill in if need be, and that filthy word at richmond DEVELOP. WE SHOULD HAVE 4 OR 6 genuine types on our list.jack hannath and types like him may not make it but they give us an opportunity to find a decent long term ruckman you just cant say that about the other two.
i have to say im very sold on giving state league players a go for reasons ive spoken about all this yr and well before.
yes i agree doing well at the next level down is just a part of assesing these types. athletic ability to play at afl level, sound skill set etc etc comes into it also.
eg: whats the point in in taking say a 185cm 90kg vfl player who thru his size and strength totally dominates. he compensates for a chronic lack of pace and smarts with these attributes but when he gets to afl opponents are just as quick just as strong.
as i said its not just about performance to me performing well at state league is a decent indicator that a player may be able to go to the next level. they still have to show enough footballing ability and athleticism just like nd picks do. they have to be a better chance than those who dont dominate.
finally i agree again a blind man can see we have a short term ruck problem. imo we also have a long term ruck problem as well. im all for growing our own again for reasons ive spelt out on this site ad nauseumhow we go about getting long term ruckmen we aree at odds about id say.
