Cotchin's captaincy [merged]

[Stalin]

If Cotchin does leadership to the same standard every game.

As apparently is the required standard. He will finish the sports greatest player.

High expectations.

[Chuck17]

If Cotchin does leadership to the same standard every game.

As apparently is the required standard. He will finish the sports greatest player.

High expectations.

Not only every game but also needs to do it for every kick to kick in the park as well

[one-eyed]

Cotchin understood wife's motive

Daniel Cherny
The Age
23 May 2016

Richmond captain Trent Cotchin has opened up about the controversial public comments about his wife Brooke, noting that "criticism doesn't just affect the people it's said about, it's the people that care about them as well".

Brooke leapt to her husband's defence following the Tigers' round four loss to West Coast, questioning his detractors on Instagram.

"Every week you go out and and give your all. To have to listen to constant criticism you have had to put up with especially of late has been incredibly hard," Brooke wrote.

She later followed up those comments with a newspaper interview.

Cotchin said he understood why Brooke had acted as she did.

"I think she just sees what other people are saying or thinking outside of our four walls, and then obviously our family and friends," he told Channel Nine on Sunday.

"But the reality is criticism doesn't just affect the people it's said about, it's the people that care about them as well."

Cotchin returned from a broken cheekbone to star in Richmond's 38-point win over Fremantle at Domain Stadium on Saturday night. Donning a helmet, the midfielder continued his strong season, accumulating 39 disposals as the Tigers continued their mini-resurgence, winning their second successive game. Damien Hardwick's side is now 3-6 ahead of next weekend's Dreamtime clash with Essendon.

Cotchin had come under heavy scrutiny over the season's first month, as Richmond struggled to meet pre-season expectations.

While acknowledging that some of the criticism stung, he said he had strived to focus on his football.

"It's more about how much of it you allow to affect you. Obviously it's not nice having negative things said about you, but the reality is there's so many people out there that have opinions and need to write pieces whether it's in the paper or on media channels, or just the general public as well. They start to jump on board and believe what's written and said.

"The challenge for me was to keep my head, make sure to continue doing what I knew my strengths were for our football club."

Cotchin was unperturbed by having to wear a helmet for another couple of weeks. So long as he is playing and Richmond are winning, the skipper will be happy.

"It was fantastic to taste that winning feeling.

"The message for us as a group is that we're working at playing four quarters of competitive footy week in, week out."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-says-he-understood-why-his-wife-brooke-went-public-20160522-gp0uop.html

[one-eyed]

Brandon Ellis saved special praise for Tigers' skipper Trent Cotchin, who shone on his first game back from a two-week injury lay-off.

Cotchin gathered a career-high 39 disposals in a best-on-ground performance that also featured 18 contested possessions and 10 clearances.

The 26-year-old donned a black helmet to protect the fractured cheekbone he had surgery to repair after round six.

"He's amazing. That's why he's the captain, for the way he leads our on the field and the way he puts his head over the ball," Ellis said.

"We love him as our skipper. It's just good that the other boys in the midfield could follow him tonight."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-22/richmonds-brandon-ellis-wary-of-essendon-in-dreamtime-at-the-g-clash

[Dougeytherichmondfan]

After having watched the replay in the cold light of day, Cotchin was superb, but not absolutely perfect.

Perhaps I went a little hard at WP, however, I still maintain you were way off expecting that sort of "captains" performance every week.

[unplugged]

After having watched the replay in the cold light of day, Cotchin was superb, but not absolutely perfect.

Perhaps I went a little hard at WP, however, I still maintain you were way off expecting that sort of "captains" performance every week.

I didn't mind what WP had to say.  From a leadership perspective, you shouldn't expect anything less.  The captain has to be driving the standard for other players to follow.  When your "leader" is relying on his teammates to get cheap possessions because he can't get his own, and then butchering it when he does, it doesn't send a great message.

His teammates are so worried about him now that they hold up the ball to try to get him into the game.  Its detrimental to team performance. There was one passage on the weekend when Miles had a mark within scoring range.  He kicked a goal from a similar position earlier in the game.  Instead of going for the goal, he went sideways to try and give it to Cotchin.

Even on the weekend, against mediocre opposition, Cotchin still butchered the ball plenty of times.  You can forgive some of it because of the weather conditions but the manner in which he butchered the ball is a recurring problem.  Simple handballs that missed targets by a long way.  He had 3-4 possession plays because he butchered the ball so badly it kept coming back to him.  From a leadership perspective, he likes to go backwards too much.  It puts the whole team on the defensive. 

You throw Houli turning it over into that mix and you can see how a team can quickly become shattered for confidence.  It took two weeks of Deledio leading the team for Martin and Miles to hit top form and for the tigers to start taking the game on more. His teammates could really benefit from not having to worry about him so much. If he gave up the captaincy, he could focus on playing better, less selfish football.

[Chuck17]

His teammates are so worried about him now that they hold up the ball to try to get him into the game.  Its detrimental to team performance. There was one passage on the weekend when Miles had a mark within scoring range.  He kicked a goal from a similar position earlier in the game.  Instead of going for the goal, he went sideways to try and give it to Cotchin.

Even on the weekend, against mediocre opposition, Cotchin still butchered the ball plenty of times.  You can forgive some of it because of the weather conditions but the manner in which he butchered the ball is a recurring problem.  Simple handballs that missed targets by a long way.  He had 3-4 possession plays because he butchered the ball so badly it kept coming back to him.  From a leadership perspective, he likes to go backwards too much.  It puts the whole team on the defensive. 

Do you expect anyone to actually believe that dribble?

You have serious issues with Cotchin that obviously extend past his football performances, what is it? 

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He's a satanist. 

[Stalin]

Like the jesuits

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But how long can a bloke remain captain with consistent dud performances?

[lamington]

But how long can a bloke remain captain with consistent dud performances?

Kane Johnson says hello

[Chuck17]

But how long can a bloke remain captain with consistent dud performances?

Kane Johnson says hello

Newman says hello as well

[YellowandBlackBlood]

After having watched the replay in the cold light of day, Cotchin was superb, but not absolutely perfect.

Perhaps I went a little hard at WP, however, I still maintain you were way off expecting that sort of "captains" performance every week.

I didn't mind what WP had to say.  From a leadership perspective, you shouldn't expect anything less.  The captain has to be driving the standard for other players to follow.  When your "leader" is relying on his teammates to get cheap possessions because he can't get his own, and then butchering it when he does, it doesn't send a great message.

His teammates are so worried about him now that they hold up the ball to try to get him into the game.  Its detrimental to team performance. There was one passage on the weekend when Miles had a mark within scoring range.  He kicked a goal from a similar position earlier in the game.  Instead of going for the goal, he went sideways to try and give it to Cotchin.

Even on the weekend, against mediocre opposition, Cotchin still butchered the ball plenty of times.  You can forgive some of it because of the weather conditions but the manner in which he butchered the ball is a recurring problem.  Simple handballs that missed targets by a long way.  He had 3-4 possession plays because he butchered the ball so badly it kept coming back to him.  From a leadership perspective, he likes to go backwards too much.  It puts the whole team on the defensive. 

Well both coaches gave him the top votes from the game. So he couldn't have been that bad.......

[big tone]

Quite a few silly looking people tonight

Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜

Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time 

Thought he was very good last evening but that must be the norm and sadly it isnt always

39 touches must be the norm....if he wants to be goat.

Its one thing to say he was not good enough in Elim finals, but to expect 40 touches a game is totally unfair.

Excuse me?

Wasnt talking about the number of possessions I was talking solely about his leadership. Which was excellent last night

Unlike the media and it seems some on here i dont get seduced by the number of possessions someone has. If I did Ellis B would be in the bests every week

Have been saying it for years it's not about quantity its about quality

So please dont twist what i posted to suit, i was talking about leadership, which is what i thought this thread was about; ccaptaincy

Come on WP!
Just you trying to defend your comments of late on Cotch.
Cotch has had a pretty decent year to date. In our best 3 I'd say.
But getting 40 touches for anyone isn't going to be the norm.
No need to keep pushing your point as it was clearly wrong.

Please refer to my response above, will repeat i am not talking about the number of possessions i was am only talking about his leadership, seeing the thread is about captaincy

As leader last night he was excellent because as Jack correclty pointed out he was not getting cheap possessions out the back.

Thats what I was iwas talking about. It needs to be the norm. Can i make it any clearer 

As for pushing a point, it's an opinion and I stand by it. Last time i checked we are allowed to have them and we don't have to agree with each other all the time. Doesnt mean the people are wrong just mean we disagree. Unfortunately you don't agree and you always say the other person is wrong.

But back to the topic

His leadership is at time very inconsisitent.

Last night, last year against Sydney, last year against C'wood were outstanding efforts and for this club to go forward it needs to be the norm. Or dont you see ot that way?

WP, what would you really know about Cotchin as a leader of this footy club? There is more to it than just the two hours you watch every week.
You can bang on all you like but the 3 games you mention Cotch just happened to have a cracking game. You cannot tell me his stats don't determine whether you think he has been a good leader on the day/night. And you saying that needs to be the norm is ridiculous. Nothing wrong with wanting that but reality tells us it's not going to happen like that week in week out in such a competitive sport like AFL.
Even truely great leaders like Hodgey don't lead like what you expect of Cotch.
And yes I do think you are one of those people that get something in your head and would twist comments to try and suit your argument instead of just saying maybe I got that a bit wrong.

[WilliamPowell]

WP, what would you really know about Cotchin as a leader of this footy club? There is more to it than just the two hours you watch every week.

Could ask you the same question 

And yes there is certainly more than the 2 hours on field every week.

I will leave it at that.

And yes I do think you are one of those people that get something in your head and would twist comments to try and suit your argument instead of just saying maybe I got that a bit wrong.

there you go again, saying I am wrong. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I am wrong. You have your opinion which I don't agree with but I have never said you are wrong, we simply don't agree

I have an opinion, and it is my opinion he isn't a great captain. Think he is an outstanding player who was a better player prior to be being captain. that's my opinion, you don't agree and that's absolutely fine.

I want him to be a great captain but being a great captain as I said is more than just stats.

His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.