gotta say i disagree. but just to keep the conversation going if pace is all important to play chf can someone tell me the super quick chf at each team. aside from franklin id say there arent really any. plus most of the two key forwards at each club especially the established ones are right up there for kicking goals.
i reiterate for me chf is all about smarts and workrate. imo jack has work rate or he used to i see no reason why he cant have it again.he certainly survives on footy smarts.
how often were all of us peeed of this yr with jack trying to one on one body opponents and fail. how peeed off were we that he would not lead it was a regular occurance imo far too many of his goals came from being opportunistic if you like.
how much better to have a 200cm and when fully developed powerhouse going one on one and clunking marks. . or just to change it up super quick on the lead where most cant go with him. these are the keys to your ff along with being a good kick. if griffiths is being beaten he can get on the bike and get outside 50 and still be dangerous.
in different circumstances a hypothetical, what should hawthorn do struggling down back play franklin back in a similar cirumstance to griffiths at richmond or continue to develop him as a forward. buddy may well have if developed there made a good chb but as a forward hes sensational. we need to allow griffiths to be sensational hes a natural full forward who needs to be develped as such.
play him at ff and get jack on his bike and at chf id take 40 goals from jack and 60 80 from griffiths anyday.
one final question anyone have the stats on the number of goals kicked outside 50 by all chf i bet my bottom dollar it is a low as. of course you will have blokes like cloke and buddy who can really thump it and kick more than their fair share outside 50 but even with them id bet its a small percentage besides ive seen jack kick outside 50 people make it sound like he cant kick over a jam tin.
its not just speed BUT ABILITY TO GO ON LONG DAMAGING LEADS UP THE GROUND at full pelt. cloke is not quick but does this really well, taylor Walker does it in spurts, Josh Kennedy and Darling do it too. J.Brown used to do it in his prime. Jack cant go full pelt for more than 15-20metres max the last few years. We need someone who can go on long searching leads to give us a chop out by taking strong marks on the wings under pressure. Our biggest weakness last season was never having a big fwd do that. That's what type of CHF richmond needs. Really its quite obvious JR is not a CHF, hes a quality FF and can also play in that slot between FF and CHF and lose his opponent with guile in traffic.
i agree jack has not gone on those spurts the last few yrs but that does not mean hes not capable of it in fact his early history says hes more than capable.
hes had a lot of injuries the last few yrs that wouldnt be a major reason why why he doesnt do it would it. play a game spend the week recovering basically. as i said chf is bout work rate as you yourself implied to say jack is incapable of lifting his work rate when fully fit is just plain wrong.
his footy attributes are definately more suited to chf the only thing missing is the work rate he had it once there is no reason to believe he cant have it again.
anyway we disagree i think the main problem is people are loath to remove a 60 goal a yr player out of ff.
me i think long term it would be to our benefit and actually allow us to try a very promising ff who has all the attributes for the role to play ff. it would also allow us to play vickery in the role we desperately need him to perform that of a ruck/forward without the need to rob peter to pay paul on game days.
i really would like to hear from the club about exactly what role they think vickery will play. after 4 yrs they must have a damn good idea.
is he to be developed as a ruckman to take over from maric or is he to be nothing more than a kpp.
if hes to be a kpp there is no way in hell he should be playing ruck.especially if they insist on playing him as a chf look at the work load. for starters. this would mean we need to find a third tall option to also play in the ruck.
to me we have the round pegs to fit in the round holes but we are trying to fit square ones in instead.
if hes to be a 60% forward 40% ruck he should play out of a pocket as the third tall option. i would have thought these are simple basic structures to go thru.
