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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #675 on: June 25, 2013, 04:30:12 PM »
Watson admits to taking banned substance. AFL clears Watson to play this weekend. #seemslegit

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #676 on: June 25, 2013, 04:32:33 PM »
If Hird keeps his job footy will never be the same for me.
The club that keeps giving.

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Caracella and Balmey.

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« Reply #678 on: June 25, 2013, 04:48:44 PM »
it's their natue
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #679 on: June 25, 2013, 04:51:04 PM »
After the horrendous time I had with the braying Bummer hordes in the aftermath of the last Dreamtime game, I  can't wait for the skip bin load of manure that's about to be dumped on their filthy cheating club. I wish there was one of those little smile-y icons kicking back with its' feet up, and a bucket of popcorn.

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Jobe Watson was less forthcoming today. All he said he won't comment any further and he's waiting for the ASADA investigation to be made public. Essendon will make an official statement later tonight on the Bombers' website.

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AFL says Essendon captain Jobe Watson will be allowed to play this week despite drugs admission

    Mark Robinson and Carly Crawford
    From: Herald Sun
    June 25, 2013 2:11PM



THE world anti-doping body says there are no "ifs or buts" about banned substances.

WADA boss John Fahey was firm in his stance there are no excuses for taking performance-enhancing drugs after Essendon captain Jobe Watson revealed he had taken a substance he believed to be AOD-9604, a peptide banned for use by athletes.

The AFL will not stop Watson playing this week despite his admissions on Fox Footy's On the Couch last night.

Watson's public revelations were already known to the AFL via the joint ASADA-AFL investigation, and the AFL knows how many players have taken the anti-obesity drug.

The AFL maintains its stance the process of the investigation must be completed before ascertaining if any penalty on a player or on the club is required.

The Bombers face West Coast in Perth on Thursday night.

Fahey told the Herald Sun today nothing had changed since the global anti-doping body issued a statement clarifying that AOD-9604 had been banned since January 2011.

"I'm sure ASADA has noted what's been said overnight (by Watson) and I'm sure that will be factored into the current investigation and they'll deal with it appropriately at the appropriate time,'' Fahey said.

Watson spoke briefly to reporters outside his home this afternoon.

"The investigation with the AFL and ASADA is ongoing and I look forward to that investigation and it's findings being made public," he said.

"But I can't comment more on the specifics of the investigation."

Fahey would not discuss Watson's admission to using AOD-9604 specifically, but said anti-doping rules were clear.

"Ninety-five percent of athletes blame someone else,'' he said.

"There's strict liability here, there are no ifs or buts - if it's in your system, you take the consequences.

"The moment it's in your system, you're gone, full stop.''

Mr Fahey said it would be up to an individual sporting body -- in this case the AFL -- to decide whether to strip away Watson's Brownlow medal.

"Medals are taken off athletes all the time. Lance Armstrong lost his bronze medal from the Sydney Olympics it's going on all the time,'' he said.

Fahey said WADA would only become involved in the Essendon doping probe if they thought there had been some sort of injustice.

"If we believe someone did not deal with the case appropriately, we've got a right of appeal on behalf of the sporting body or on behalf of the athlete,'' he said.

Essendon is expected to clarify Watson's comments this afternoon by declaring the club has not conceded banned drugs were administered to players.

The Bombers' stance centres on whether the anti-obesity drug is a banned substance.

The club believed that AOD-9604 was not a prohibited drug, and that they had documentation to prove it.

There is also a possibility, despite years of clinical trials, that the weight-reducing peptide may not work.

Former ASADA boss Richard Ings said today he doubts the Bombers will be cleared by the ASADA investigation but Watson's comments could result in a reduction in the standard two-year ban for using performance enhancing drugs.

"I just can't see how this PED (performance-enhancing drug) use, even if not deliberate, can avoid some sort of individual or team sanction,'' Ings said today.

Ings, who was boss at ASADA for five years, took to Twitter to shed light on the development.

He said Watson's admission could reduce any possible sanction.

"I can't guess the PR strategy but any player(s) being open, honest and cooperative likely to receive lower sanctions,'' Ings tweeted.

"while of course it is better not to have taken PED's, admissions &; coop will see that player best placed to minimise penalties.

"Taking AOD9604 is a doping offence. The penalty can vary based on the players fault and critically the players cooperation.

"reality is if there was no intent by a player and he fully cooperates then 6 month ban is realistic.''

- with Eliza Sewell

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-says-essendon-captain-jobe-watson-will-be-allowed-to-play-this-week-despite-drugs-admission/story-fndv8gad-1226669557254

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #681 on: June 25, 2013, 05:30:55 PM »
If Hird keeps his job footy will never be the same for me.

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Delusional Dons must pay the price: Caro (Age)
« Reply #682 on: June 25, 2013, 05:38:17 PM »
Delusional Dons must pay the price

    June 25, 2013 - 5:12PM
    The Age
    By Caroline Wilson



Jobe Watson's deliberate admission that he took a substance banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency on the advice of his football club has again exposed Essendon's recklessness and failure to care for the welfare of its most precious asset.

The Brownlow medallist, sincere in his defiant stand that he had done nothing wrong, has also raised serious questions about the role of club doctor Bruce Reid in the sorry affair and – in the short term – placed more pressure on the AFL.

While Watson's revelations on Fox Footy on Monday night presumably duplicated what he told the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the fact they are now public demands wider scrutiny on the game's governing body and has begged the most immediate question: Should Watson be playing for Essendon on Thursday night?

There is no suggestion that Watson is performing on the football field with the benefit of any unnatural en-hancement, but the fact remains he won a Brownlow in a season in which that may have happened. Even on Monday night, Watson could not say he truly knew what he had been injected with or taken.

He spoke of an injecting regime he had not seen previously and of a new "frontier" leaving others to judge who were the cowboys in that shameful scenario.

Clearly, the Bombers' captain chose to reveal what he did for a reason and in doing so has drawn a clear line in the sand between the players and the club that let them down. The interview on On The Couch took the club and the AFL and the players’ union by surprise and reflected Watson’s mindset in the expansive manner in which he chose to answer some more pertinent questions.

Doctor Bruce Reid sits firmly in the club camp where the line is concerned. Again he refused to speak to Fairfax Media on Tuesday saying through a third party that as much as he would love to, he could not. Reid has always cited the ongoing nature of the investigation for his ill-advised silence even though that has not stopped Watson or former teammate Mark McVeigh from choosing to reveal what they have.

"I signed that consent form," said Watson. "My understanding after it being given through Bruce Reid and the club that I was receiving AOD. (I believed) that it was legal at the time and that's what I was told I was being given."

Watson on Monday night was referring to AOD-9604 – an anti-obesity drug also promoted for its qualities in helping athletes' endurance and running abilities. Whatever Essendon, ASADA and Stephen Dank may claim, the fact is the World Anti-Doping Authority has confirmed the drug was banned because it had not been approved for human use.

And yet the Essendon players were told it was legal and that information came from Bruce Reid and Dank. Reid's concerns, voiced in a letter never adequately acted on, now seem embarrassingly inadequate. If Reid was frozen out or marginalised as he has claimed, then he should have spoken up. Why did the doctor never take his concerns to the board? Or did he? Was Reid, too, rendered powerless in his unconditional belief in the coach?

Coach James Hird, who approved and pushed the substances program, believes he demonstrated a duty of care by sending a brief email instructing high performance boss Dean Robinson to ensure the players were taking nothing harmful or illegal under anti-doping codes.

And Hird declared back in April that the club would be in a very good position once this investigation had been completed. This demonstrates that Mark Neeld is not the only AFL coach in 2013 who appears to be in denial.

The same goes for Hird's senior assistant Mark Thompson who also seems to be in denial regarding his role in introducing the new sport science regime into the club. The prevailing view is that Thompson will be gone from the club by the end of the season. Hird, as we have repeatedly said, must also be held accountable with, at the very least, a suspension.

At the start of every AFL season, the league's medical officers visit every club. Part of their address includes a series of multiple choice questions including one concerning the appropriate response to a questionable substance. The correct answer is that the player must raise any concerns to the club doctor.

In fact the instruction, "Ask the club doctor", is aired repeatedly during the instructional video shown by the medical officers. This is damning for Reid even if he believes ASADA misinformed him. Where sacred cows are confirmed at Windy Hill, Reid sits not far below Hird and yet he too now stands accused of failing his players.

Whether the fact the players followed the AFL's medical instructions to the letter can save them remains to be seen, but it should not save Essendon from a sanction significantly more serious than a heavy fine.

Nor should it save the cowboys who oversaw the new frontier.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/delusional-dons-must-pay-the-price-20130625-2ous7.html#ixzz2XD9lEAh8

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe --- official Essendon FC statement
« Reply #683 on: June 25, 2013, 05:41:01 PM »
Essendon Football Club Statement
essendonfc.com.au
5:11pm AEST Tuesday, June 25, 2013



There is still an ongoing investigation by the AFL and ASADA initiated by the Essendon Football Club.

The Club and our players are fully cooperating with the investigation. This is a complex and difficult area, but our club considers that our players have acted reasonably during the 2012 season. 

The Club notes that it is yet to be determined whether any of our players in the 2012 season were given prohibited or performance enhancing substances.

We look forward to the finalisation of the ASADA investigation, and we thank our members for their ongoing support of our club and our players.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-06-25/club-statement

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #684 on: June 25, 2013, 06:53:39 PM »
In the words of the Indian man with his wee wee in a bowl of custard.

I am stuffing disgusted.
It's that simple Spud
"I discussed (it) with my three daughters, my wife and my 82-year-old mum, because it has really affected me … If those comments … were made about one of my daughters, it would make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I would not have liked it at all.”

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #686 on: June 25, 2013, 07:42:23 PM »
Can someone please clarify - was this abandoned shed on the clubs premises or somewhere else?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #687 on: June 25, 2013, 07:44:40 PM »
I just watched the On The Couch replay of Jobe Watson's interview.  It appeared to me that it was a very carefully scripted set of questions and answers.  Neither Healy, nor Milhouse, nor Roos showed any shock about Jobe's admission.  There were no follow up questions nor any probing.  Watson's answers seemed to quite contrived and carefully phrased in legalese.

I can't work out why Jobe and his legal advisers determined that it would be beneficial to fess up last night, but if anyone is claiming that it was an off-th-cuff set of questions and answers, then I've got some shares in a bridge that I'd like to sell them.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #688 on: June 25, 2013, 07:45:36 PM »

Whatever happens it was a very foolish thing for Jobe to say on live TV

I'm not sure if it matters WP.  I reckon by Jobe's comments last night that he has likely been just as honest and forthright in his interview with ASADA and would have told them the exact same thing, so to publicly say it now will have no further impact on what is already going to happen.  Just mho.

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« Reply #689 on: June 25, 2013, 08:09:36 PM »
I just watched the On The Couch replay of Jobe Watson's interview.  It appeared to me that it was a very carefully scripted set of questions and answers.  Neither Healy, nor Milhouse, nor Roos showed any shock about Jobe's admission.  There were no follow up questions nor any probing.  Watson's answers seemed to quite contrived and carefully phrased in legalese.

I can't work out why Jobe and his legal advisers determined that it would be beneficial to fess up last night, but if anyone is claiming that it was an off-th-cuff set of questions and answers, then I've got some shares in a bridge that I'd like to sell them.

Just watched it too Muscles and your summary is spot on. This is supposed to be a pretty big admission to make and a journo like Milhouse lol would normally have been salivating over breaking a 'story' like that.
To me the breaking part of that story is that the Watson's are flagging and explaining the legal stance that the Bombers are going to take once they are officially found to have taken a non-legal substance. Non legal by the way means illegal Ess you stuffing cheats. The other thing that should have had Sheahan in convulsions was when Watson fingered the club doctor. That definitely required more questioning, as he has been portrayed as being blindsided by the whole affair, but last night Watson said he took the injections based on his advice.

I think the AFL has got enough to go on now and should start making it's move on the Bombers. The Commission will have already decided on the punishment, it will look much better on our code if we are proactive about this!