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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1635 on: August 19, 2013, 09:42:44 PM »


more long term drug usage effects
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1636 on: August 20, 2013, 06:56:34 AM »
Now that the AFL have bowed to the EFC threats of legal actions I am convinced that our once great game is officially stuffed

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1637 on: August 20, 2013, 08:38:10 AM »
Yes  :clapping

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1638 on: August 20, 2013, 10:33:35 AM »
Bomber "im 90% innocent" Thompson

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1639 on: August 20, 2013, 10:42:01 AM »
Now that the AFL have bowed to the EFC threats of legal actions I am convinced that our once great game is officially stuffed

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good luck to anyone who gets beaten by them. The only game i want these cheating pricks to win is this coming Saturday

gee i hope we play these pricks in the final.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1640 on: August 20, 2013, 10:53:57 AM »
Bomber "im 90% innocent" Thompson

What does that mean exactly?

After saying that he then said "we are all responsible". So which is it?

Is it - "we are responsible?"

or is it - "it's not our fault"

Or was hedging his bets and suggesting - "I'm only a little bit guilty"

Please give me a break  :banghead

And can I say I am actually more angry at the AFL right now than the EFC.

Thought the league would have had more guts than this. It appears they've also agreed to not releasing details of the 25 charges. Sorry but we have a right to know what these charges are

Clearly the EFC are going to be allowed to play finals and that is a disgrace. A deal will be done by Monday IMO, and it will be  gutless, meaningless and shambolic

So much for the integrity of the competition

The comps integirty had been chipped away at for the last 18 odd months but last night because of the weakness of HQ it copped a sledgehammer.

Would have though we the major stakeholders being the fans deserved better

Well done AFL  :banghead
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1641 on: August 20, 2013, 11:49:37 AM »
 :thumbsup WP well said

I couldn't believe it when he said and i cant believe the AFL seem to be bowing to their demands.

Absolutely a deal will be done and if i was a betting man, id say they will cop 6 months

Gee i hope the Vlad gets the arse after this. He himself has brought the whole game down, on and off the field.









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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1642 on: August 20, 2013, 02:11:38 PM »
Hird

"Natural justice will play out"

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1643 on: August 20, 2013, 02:28:10 PM »
Sports lawyer Paul Czarnota outlines how the AFL can prove charges against Essendon

    Paul Czarnota
    From: Herald Sun
    August 20, 2013


THE AFL has charged Essendon and four officials with bringing the sport into disrepute. What do these charges mean and what will be the likely outcome?

First some background.

AFL rule 1.6 1.provides that: "A person must not engage in conduct which is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interest or reputation of the AFL or bring the game of football into disrepute.''

Therefore, the AFL is concerned, not only with conduct which actually brings the game into disrepute, but also conduct likely to do so.

Overall, the rules fail to conclusively define what conduct (aside from criminal conduct) will violate the disrepute clause.

Despite references to James Hird and company being "charged'' with "offences'', they are technically being provided notice of alleged contractual breaches.

Therefore, ordinary principles of contract interpretation apply in determining whether the "charges'' are proven.

This involves ascertaining the meaning of the contractual words (''bringing the game of football into disrepute'') as understood by a reasonable person, having regard to relevant background information, including the commercial context and the sporting market.

The AFL is increasingly a big commercial machine and any unsavoury behaviour which could jeopardise its profitability or success is frowned upon.

Precisely what conduct will violate the disrepute clause has yet to be determined by a Victorian court.

However, such charges will likely be determined according to whether the Commission is "comfortably satisfied'' (a standard "below beyond reasonable doubt'') that the sport has been, or is likely to be, significantly lowered in the eyes of the general public (ie, they think "less or poorly'' of the game).

AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon has indicated no infraction notices for Anti-Doping Rule violations were being issued against Essendon players at this time.

Essendon has released its own statement confirming the charges laid, and stating all charges would be "vigorously defended''.

Proving a breach of the disrepute clause can be problematic.

In swimmer Nick D'Arcy's case, the Court of Arbitration for Sport paid due regard to the "voluminous number of media reports that have accompanied his misconduct'' which it stated ``could not help but be likely to bring him into disrepute''.

Similar evidence could be tendered by the AFL, as could the Switkowski report.

Ziggy Switkowski considered there were various failings in Essendon's governance systems, noting (among other things) the: "rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment offsite in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalisation of traditional medical staff (which) combine to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented''.

In response to Switkowski's report, the AFLPA released a statement labelling the report "incredibly disturbing to read'' and emphasising that: "No AFL Player should ever go to work in an environment which can be described as 'pharmacologically experimental' with potential exposure to 'exotic compounds.'''

While welcoming news there were no infraction notices issued on any players, Essendon conceded that "the club and individuals have made mistakes and that our governance and people management had significant gaps''.

Based on the above, it appears more likely than not the AFL Commission would find that (at the very least) Essendon has violated the disrepute clause.

Assuming the Commission finds any charges proved, courts have been reluctant to interfere with decisions of sporting associations, particularly where the league's rules provide a grievance procedure which affords natural justice (ie, a right to legal representation and a fair and unbiased adjudicator), and such rules have been exercised for a proper and "bona fide'' purpose.

Any litigation following the Commission's decision will examine whether these legal rights have been afforded to Essendon & Co.

Paul Czarnota is a solicitor with Wisewould Mahony Lawyers who specialises in sports law.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1644 on: August 20, 2013, 02:33:00 PM »
However, such charges will likely be determined according to whether the Commission is "comfortably satisfied'' (a standard "below beyond reasonable doubt'') that the sport has been, or is likely to be, significantly lowered in the eyes of the general public (ie, they think "less or poorly'' of the game).

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1645 on: August 20, 2013, 02:59:02 PM »
Now that the AFL have bowed to the EFC threats of legal actions I am convinced that our once great game is officially stuffed

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i thought all they had done was grant hird an extension to mount his defence?

has AD removed himself from the commission as requested?
has the request at an independent hearing been granted?
has the AFL said the hearing will be heard no less than 2 weeks after the Grand Final?

i've missed something  :huh

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1646 on: August 20, 2013, 03:45:34 PM »
Now that the AFL have bowed to the EFC threats of legal actions I am convinced that our once great game is officially stuffed

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i thought all they had done was grant hird an extension to mount his defence?

has AD removed himself from the commission as requested?
has the request at an independent hearing been granted?
has the AFL said the hearing will be heard no less than 2 weeks after the Grand Final?

i've missed something  :huh

gerks, you are correct that in simple terms all the AFL have done is at present given Hird and the other 3 an extension.

The EFC as yet haven't requested one but are likely to

But this saga isn't simple

The issue for me is the decision was made to avoid the threat of legal action.

Hird and his band of merry litigators made a number of demands and threatened to head off to the supreme court if his demands weren't met.

The AFL have given him more time not in the name of justice but because they didn't have the guts to take his legal team on and call their bluff.

The EFC like every other team in the comp have a license to play in the competition. That license has certain conditions and rules attached to it. Every Club are bound by those rules/conditions. The EFC suddenly don't like the conditions so they say "try and punsih us under the rules and we will head of to court". That is showing the comp nothing but contempt

The AFL have buckled and wimped out and given Hird what he wants all because they are so paraniod about their "brand" being damaged. What they fail to realise is their precious "brand" is now damaged in the eyes of some beyond repair

This mess needed to be sorted before the finals but now wont be so it depending on the penalties is likely to drag on into season 2014. The entire competition deserves better than this

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1647 on: August 20, 2013, 04:45:36 PM »
its better that essendon play finals. they wont win the flag. penalties will come into play for draft picks in 2013 and 2014. that will hurt them down the track.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1648 on: August 20, 2013, 06:34:14 PM »


BRINGING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1649 on: August 20, 2013, 06:35:27 PM »
If he hasn't done anything wrong, why does he need more time?
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