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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1725 on: August 21, 2013, 10:08:49 PM »
Dons rejected penalties

    Jake Niall
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    August 21, 2013


The AFL wanted Essendon to accept a series of penalties which included exclusion from the 2013 finals, the loss of draft picks for two years, a fine of more than $2.5 million and a suspension of 12 months for coach James Hird.


Gee those penalties seem familiar to me, think somewhere in this thread I posted the exact same thing, they are my penalties   ;D
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1726 on: August 21, 2013, 10:13:29 PM »
Barrett said the AFL has held back plenty including more damning txt messages etc ...

Caro said this is the end of Hird. He could have owned up as late as a month ago and saved himself but he's now finished.
Too bad he and his cronies at Essendon are the only ones that can't see it.

She also said ASADA has enough evidence relating to the use of prohibited Thymoslin Beat-4 to enforce infraction notices against the players.
forget even AOD-9604 for the moment, Thymoslin Beta-4 is the real smoking gun. This could wipe out the Bombers' playing list as its banned under the S-2 clause in the WADA code.


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1727 on: August 21, 2013, 10:19:02 PM »
Never seen this forum so upbeat, it's beautiful  ;D



124. During the relevant period, the Club caused the following substances to be administered
to players at the Club:
(n) Thymosin Beta 4;


Bang I don't care about the rest at this moment, I think its common knowledge this peptide is BANNED. Even a quick search on ASADA's prohibited list confirms it.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1728 on: August 21, 2013, 10:24:59 PM »

Never seen this forum so upbeat, it's beautiful  ;D



124. During the relevant period, the Club caused the following substances to be administered
to players at the Club:
(n) Thymosin Beta 4;


Bang I don't care about the rest at this moment, I think its common knowledge this peptide is BANNED. Even a quick search on ASADA's prohibited list confirms it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4UqMyldS7Q   ;D ;D

Quote
[Verse One]
Just wakin up in the mornin gotta thank God
I don't know but today seems kinda odd
No barkin from the dog, no smog
And momma cooked a breakfast with no hog (damn)
I got my grub on, but didn't pig out
Finally got a call from a girl I wanna dig out
(Whassup?) Hooked it up for later as I hit the do'
Thinkin will I live, another twenty-fo'
I gotta go cause I got me a drop top
And if I hit the switch, I can make the ass drop
Had to stop, at a red light
Lookin in my mirror and not a jacker in sight
And everything is alright
I got a beep from Kim, and she can stuff all night
Called up the homies and I'm askin y'all
Which park, are y'all playin basketball?
Get me on the court and I'm trouble
Last week stuffed around and got a triple double
Freakin niggaz everyway like M.J.
I can't believe, today was a good day (poo!)

[Verse Two]
Drove to the pad and hit the showers
Didn't even get no static from the cowards
Cause just yesterday them fools tried to blast me
Saw the police and they rolled right past me
No flexin, didn't even look in a nigga's direction
as I ran the intersection
Went to $hort Dog's house, they was watchin Yo! MTV Raps
What's the haps on the craps?
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Roll 'em in a circle of niggaz and watch me break 'em
with the seven, seven-eleven, seven-eleven
Seven even back do' Lil' Joe
I picked up the cash flow
Then we played bones, and I'm yellin domino
Plus nobody I know got killed in South Central L.A.
Today was a good day (poo!)

[Verse Three]
Left my nigga's house paid (what)
Picked up a girl been tryin to stuff since the 12th grade
It's ironic, I had the brew she had the chronic
The Lakers beat the Supersonics
I felt on the big fat fanny
Pulled out the jammy, and killed the punanny
And my dick runs deep, so deep
So deep put her ass to sleep
Woke her up around one
She didn't hesitate, to call Ice Cube the top gun
Drove her to the pad and I'm coastin
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I was glad everything had worked out
Dropped her ass off and then chirped out
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Didn't even see a berry flashin those high beams
No helicopter looking for a murder
Two in the mornin got the Fatburger
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And it read, "Ice Cube's a pimp" (yeah)
Drunk as hell but no throwin up
Half way home and my pager still blowin up
Today I didn't even have to use my A.K.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1729 on: August 21, 2013, 10:40:57 PM »
Bang I don't care about the rest at this moment, I think its common knowledge this peptide is BANNED. Even a quick search on ASADA's prohibited list confirms it.

Banned=2 years all round yes?  :pray

I wonder if the club still stands by it's statement that the meeting between Hird, Dank, and Dr Ageless at a Gold Coast resort was a coincidence. This report shows that a week later Dr Ageless was ordering and supplying the Thymosin Beta 4 on behalf of the club;

Between 1 December 2011 and 8 December 2011 Charter ordered raw materials for the second purchase of peptides including the raw materials for Thymosin Beta-4.

This is one of the bigger porkies by Essendon over the last 6 months, I think it's worth another look.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1730 on: August 21, 2013, 10:50:31 PM »

Banned=2 years all round yes?  :pray


No

maximum ban = 2 years

Minimum ban = 6 months

 so any ban can be between the minimum of 6 months to the max of 2 years

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1731 on: August 21, 2013, 10:50:48 PM »
Dons rejected penalties

    Jake Niall
    The Age
    August 21, 2013


The AFL wanted Essendon to accept a series of penalties which included exclusion from the 2013 finals, the loss of draft picks for two years, a fine of more than $2.5 million and a suspension of 12 months for coach James Hird.


Gee those penalties seem familiar to me, think somewhere in this thread I posted the exact same thing, they are my penalties   ;D

well then you are very forgiving unless you are saying players to be banned also?

blues copped what?

Thats right rorting which is exactly what the dons did those years back.

This is far worse and IMV if guilty should be 3 years worth of drafts. It has to be more than the Blues.

I really hope they play finals now, because

a. they wont win.

b. the year is a farce anyway

c. let them  derail their 2014 season as well.

By rejecting the afl offer Turd has effectively ruined the Bombers 2014 season.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1732 on: August 21, 2013, 10:56:26 PM »
Dons rejected penalties

    Jake Niall
    The Age
    August 21, 2013


The AFL wanted Essendon to accept a series of penalties which included exclusion from the 2013 finals, the loss of draft picks for two years, a fine of more than $2.5 million and a suspension of 12 months for coach James Hird.


Gee those penalties seem familiar to me, think somewhere in this thread I posted the exact same thing, they are my penalties   ;D

well then you are very forgiving

blues copped what?

Thats right rorting which is exactly what the dons did those years back.

This is far worse and IMV if guilty should be 3 years worth of drafts. It has to be more than the Blues.

I really hope they play finals now, because

a. they wont win.

b. the year is a farce anyway

c. let them screw derail their 2014 season as well.

By rejecting the afl offer Turd has effectively ruined the Bombers 2014 season.

Apart for the fact I was being sarcastic on my reply hence the   ;D at the end of it

Think we've been over this many times daniel suggest you go back 20 or 30 odd pages and read what I've written. But so you don't need to go back through the pages....

First up not being forgiving have always said those penalties would be starting point and the minimum

I want them to get whacked harder but always thought they wouldn't get whacked as hard as they should.

Agree this is far worse than the Blues and their salary cap rorting

And After today's events the whack just got bigger I reckon  :clapping
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1733 on: August 21, 2013, 11:02:46 PM »

Banned=2 years all round yes?  :pray


No

maximum ban = 2 years

Minimum ban = 6 months

 so any ban can be between the minimum of 6 months to the max of 2 years

Yeh but as if Essendon are to incur the minimum ban on anything......
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1734 on: August 21, 2013, 11:05:40 PM »

Banned=2 years all round yes?  :pray


No

maximum ban = 2 years

Minimum ban = 6 months

 so any ban can be between the minimum of 6 months to the max of 2 years

Yeh but as if Essendon are to incur the minimum ban on anything......

Not sure of what sort bans from an ASADA/WADA perspective can be given to the Club

What I listed is for individuals =the players
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1735 on: August 21, 2013, 11:06:35 PM »
Can't find the video

But someone made a Carlton mid beer coincidence add

With hird/charters/dank... pretty funny

Bang I don't care about the rest at this moment, I think its common knowledge this peptide is BANNED. Even a quick search on ASADA's prohibited list confirms it.

Banned=2 years all round yes?  :pray

I wonder if the club still stands by it's statement that the meeting between Hird, Dank, and Dr Ageless at a Gold Coast resort was a coincidence. This report shows that a week later Dr Ageless was ordering and supplying the Thymosin Beta 4 on behalf of the club;

Between 1 December 2011 and 8 December 2011 Charter ordered raw materials for the second purchase of peptides including the raw materials for Thymosin Beta-4.

This is one of the bigger porkies by Essendon over the last 6 months, I think it's worth another look.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1736 on: August 21, 2013, 11:09:47 PM »
Don't wada bans have to take place in season? As in not take place in off season

2.years = 4 seasons?  :pray

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1737 on: August 21, 2013, 11:20:32 PM »
Blind pride drove coach's denial and bodies piled up

CAROLINE WILSON August 22, 2013 

James Hird's coaching career could have been salvaged in February on the day he said with straight and solemn face that he was ''shocked'' to be sitting in the uncomfortable position that he was.

In April, too, when the depth of Hird's involvement in the perilous drugs program he pushed, embraced and involved himself in was first revealed, he could have stood aside and worked to salvage his reputation and help his club.

Last month before he declared his phoney war on the AFL, that option remained open to Hird.
 
Instead, in choosing to place himself and his precious reputation above that of the game he once made more beautiful but has now helped make so ugly, Hird looks finished.

The Essendon coach will say now that Andrew Demetriou and his team are hell-bent on destroying him. But he has brought this on himself.

As badly as he behaved behind the scenes in 2011 and 2012 it has been the manner in which he has conducted himself in 2013 that has brought Hird undone.


He has been revealed in all his selfishness, his refusal to listen to reason, to heed warnings that seemed obstacles to his naked ambition.

A scandal that could have been resolved by now drags on - and drags the game down with it. Even in speaking to the charges against Essendon on Wednesday Hird spoke only of himself and being ''ambushed''. No mention of his players.

The Hird story will surely become a cautionary tale for all football clubs. The tale of a football hero who was handed the keys to the entire operation and was allowed to believe he could do no wrong. Even if Hird had been more responsible, even if he hadn't wanted to cut corners and allowed his players to be treated like guinea pigs, such a scenario was unhealthy from the start.

Inside and outside the club, Hird was surrounded by yes men. He is seen by the Bombers as inexorably tied to their brand. At some point, if the club is to resolve this war with the AFL, it must cut Hird loose.

Against the better judgment of at least two former presidents, Danny Corcoran was welcomed back to the club despite the messy manner in which he departed in the 1990s. What James wanted James was given. Corcoran's job description included protecting Hird from people he didn't want to deal with. And to get rid of people Hird no longer wanted.

Between them, with the powerful support of Mark Thompson, they ran the football club, casting aside those who stepped in their path. The joint AFL-ASADA investigation was told that Hird, at the end of 2011, wanted chief executive Ian Robson and football boss Paul Hamilton out of the club. If that was his wish, then he got his way in the end.

Hird, Corcoran and Thompson worked together with the support of Dr Bruce Reid. Even Reid's blind faith in Hird was put to one side when he wrote that heartfelt letter listing his concerns about the drugs program back in January 2012. ''… one wonders,'' wrote Reid, ''… whether you would want your children being injected with a derivative hormone that is not free to the community.''

That letter was addressed to Hird, and all the coach would say when he put on his latest defiant front late on Wednesday was that he was being denied natural justice and the release of the letter was designed to damage his reputation.

All year, Hamilton has carried the burden of being thought the lone recipient of the letter.

But if that was indeed the AFL's aim then it was effective. Hird said he denied the charges but all his supportive comments covered process and timing but nothing else. He has known of these charges for 10 days but all he clung to was a discredited allegation that the AFL had ''known'' since February that AOD-9604 was legal. They haven't and it isn't.

Those supporters praying James would ''say it ain't so'' heard nothing from the coach on Wednesday to allay their fears. Hypocritically, he stated he was a victim of a ''trial by media'', which was a bit rich given the spinning he has orchestrated in recent months.

Twice he said he had been ambushed, but he has known for close to a week that this was coming. Demetriou said as much. His blindness to the severity of his position is shown by the legal nonsense his people continue to peddle.

Hird's supporters, including Thompson and Reid and some media, keep saying that the AFL has been playing with their lives. If only Hird had not experimented with the lives of his players.

Reid circulated his letter but nothing was done. Then, in May 2012, Thompson told Stephen Dank to stop the injections. Still they continued.

So many of the major players who helped Hird on his path to power have proved to be collateral damage as he resolutely refuses to take the blame for overseeing and embracing the most irresponsible and potentially dangerous drug program in the history of the game.

Chairman David Evans was cast aside because Hird became paranoid he was no longer supporting the coach as he should.

Hird leaked a story about Demetriou and ludicrously allowed his yes men to allege the AFL chief could end up in prison for tipping off Essendon about the Australian Crime Commission report. At that moment he put himself above the game and diametrically at odds with Evans, who was too close to the coach to have a healthy working relationship. Evans continues to have his heart broken by Hird.

The charges also allege that Hird believed Dr Reid was becoming outdated. Perhaps he, too, would have become collateral damage.

How much more collateral damage will Hird inflict before he finally understands once and for all that the buck must stop with him?

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blind-pride-drove-coachs-denial-and-bodies-piled-up-20130821-2sbta.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1738 on: August 22, 2013, 12:06:44 AM »

Banned=2 years all round yes?  :pray


No

maximum ban = 2 years

Minimum ban = 6 months

 so any ban can be between the minimum of 6 months to the max of 2 years

Yeh but as if Essendon are to incur the minimum ban on anything......

Not sure of what sort bans from an ASADA/WADA perspective can be given to the Club

What I listed is for individuals =the players
Pretty sure if 2-3 players or more get infracted for thymosin the whole club is done.  :whistle

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1739 on: August 22, 2013, 01:04:19 AM »
One thing forgotten in Hird's rant towards the AFL and Demetriou yesterday is that alone can be construed as bringing the game into disrepute.

Caro: How much more collateral damage will Hird inflict before he finally understands once and for all that the buck must stop with him?
Well said Caro :clapping


This RIP Essendon FC facebook page was set up as a joke a while back but if the Bombers continue their denialist cult supporting Hird to the bitter end then they'll put themselves on a path towards deregistration.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Essendon-Football-Club-1873-2013/306104079492287?notif_t=fbpage_fan_invite
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