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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2325 on: December 28, 2013, 11:34:12 AM »

Even given that Dimi didn't know any details at that time, a call to every club president suggesting  that a certain investigative body was investigating certain things involving certain organisations could have been enough for your average club president to call in the key managers of the organisation to seek assurance that there had been no local involvement in those certain practices.

Any equivocation from those managers could have elicited certain questions, such as; "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest and his condemnatory scripture?"

.... that'd be enough to get the shredders fired up, surely?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2326 on: December 28, 2013, 12:16:06 PM »

Even given that Dimi didn't know any details at that time, a call to every club president suggesting  that a certain investigative body was investigating certain things involving certain organisations could have been enough for your average club president to call in the key managers of the organisation to seek assurance that there had been no local involvement in those certain practices.

Any equivocation from those managers could have elicited certain questions, such as; "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest and his condemnatory scripture?"

.... that'd be enough to get the shredders fired up, surely?

exactly, hilarious that this isn't looked at with more cynicism by the media

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2327 on: December 28, 2013, 02:23:35 PM »

Even given that Dimi didn't know any details at that time, a call to every club president suggesting  that a certain investigative body was investigating certain things involving certain organisations could have been enough for your average club president to call in the key managers of the organisation to seek assurance that there had been no local involvement in those certain practices.

Any equivocation from those managers could have elicited certain questions, such as; "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest and his condemnatory scripture?"

.... that'd be enough to get the shredders fired up, surely?

exactly, hilarious that this isn't looked at with more cynicism by the media

When you can't defend the charges against one, attack the people making the charges

 Best case scenario turd, vlad , players all banned / fired

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2328 on: January 26, 2014, 05:19:29 PM »
SPORTS scientist Stephen Dank has 11 days to hand over any documents detailing the secrets of his supplement program to two former Cronulla Sharks players who are considering launching legal action against him.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/stephen-dank-has-11-days-to-hand-over-papers-about-supplement-program-to-former-sharks-players-who-are-considering-legal-action/story-fni0cx12-1226810393408


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« Reply #2329 on: January 31, 2014, 05:55:39 PM »
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-01-31/pies-sack-recruiter

Whatever it takes. Essendon just a bunch of crooks.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2330 on: January 31, 2014, 06:47:31 PM »

Even given that Dimi didn't know any details at that time, a call to every club president suggesting  that a certain investigative body was investigating certain things involving certain organisations could have been enough for your average club president to call in the key managers of the organisation to seek assurance that there had been no local involvement in those certain practices.

Any equivocation from those managers could have elicited certain questions, such as; "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest and his condemnatory scripture?"

.... that'd be enough to get the shredders fired up, surely?

exactly, hilarious that this isn't looked at with more cynicism by the media

They are the media
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2331 on: February 06, 2014, 03:27:23 AM »
Does a private email between ASADA and Stephen Dank suggest the Bombers might have no case to answer?

    Roy Masters
    The Age
    February 6, 2014


A recent email from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority to controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank indicates the threat of bans still hangs over Cronulla players, while Essendon players may no longer be on the anti-doping body's radar. In an email request last month that Dank meet its officials, ASADA suggested he could help bring closure to the inquiry and allow some resolution for Sharks players following the year-long saga. No mention was made in that same email, however, of Dank delivering closure to Essendon players.

Dank worked at Cronulla for five months in 2011 and joined Essendon at the end of that year, remaining there for the 2012 season. Given Dank was central to the supply and use of peptides at Essendon and no mention was made in the ASADA email of bringing closure for the AFL players, are we to assume the anti-doping body has decided the Bombers have no case to answer?

In so far as Dank did not inject a single player at Cronulla, but was the architect of a regime that resulted in more than 1200 injections at Essendon, ASADA presumably believes the substances he brought to the NRL club might have been banned, while those used at the AFL club were not. Dank has always maintained he did not use any prohibited drugs, claiming ASADA and the World Anti-Doping Agency gave permission for any supplements he prescribed.

He claims to have credible witnesses to all phone calls he made to both anti-doping bodies.

Traditionally, ASADA does not officially declare an investigation over, relying on its eight-year-long statute of limitations to allow for fresh evidence that might result in infringement notices being issued.

However, because Dank was central to the supply and use of peptides at Essendon and no mention was made in the ASADA email of delivering relief to the AFL players, it can be assumed the anti-doping body has determined the Bombers have no case to answer.

While not declaring the end of an investigation might work for the odd weightlifter who refuses to be interviewed and later disappears to work in the mines, it does not address the frustrations of hundreds of thousands of football fans who want the matter concluded.

Presumably, this is one reason why a former Federal Court judge has been brought in to help ASADA and hopefully close the investigation by the end of April.

While Dank has been invited to meet ASADA, there has been no threat of a daily fine of $5100 for failure to co-operate with it.

The emails between lawyers acting for Dank and ASADA have been informal, yet frank.

Dank has made it clear he wants the matter resolved by the legal system, not a quasi-legal body.

''I'm not going to put myself before some kangaroo court of sport,'' he said. ''We're going straight to the Federal Court.

''It's not as if I am refusing to co-operate with ASADA, but simply that I want to put my case before an open court.''

Dank said he would use his appearance to expose ASADA's breaches of power and its complicity with the AFL during the ASADA-AFL investigation into Essendon.

Some claim politics is the motive behind federal government's Minister for Sport, Peter Dutton, bringing former Federal Court judge Garry Downes into the ASADA inquiry.

It's not as if ASADA requires additional legal resources to assist it in sport's supplements crisis.

ASADA, being a statutory body, has its own lawyers, plus access to federal government solicitors.

Downes has been appointed to review the evidence ASADA has collected and expedite the inquiry. Presumably, he will recommend one of three courses, after examining all testimony, including emails, phone records, invoices, bank records and pharmacy logs.

One course would be to recommend the entire investigation into the AFL and NRL be abandoned.

A second would be to order infraction notices for either or both Cronulla and Essendon.

A third would be to insist on more evidence.

This role is usually the responsibility of a panel called the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Committee, which is a body of eminent lay people, including lawyers.

However, Dutton obviously wants the logjam of evidence cleared with Downes' input before ASADA proceeds to the ADRVC.

Even when infraction notices go out, a mini-logjam appears.

NRL player Sandor Earl has been given a notice charging him with trafficking, yet the NRL tribunal is yet to call him, presumably because ASADA wants more information from him on Dank.

It is unlikely Dank could provide written records for a court, because records are retained by medical practices or clubs.

Should a Federal Court case call on records at Cronulla and Essendon, only for that evidence to be found to no longer exist, another ''blackest day in sport'' looms.

The law takes instances of destroyed evidence very seriously.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/does-a-private-email-between-asada-and-stephen-dank-suggest-the-bombers-might-have-no-case-to-answer-20140205-321vd.html

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Essendon searching for an "integrity officer" lol
« Reply #2332 on: February 08, 2014, 08:01:12 PM »
Essendon can't stop producing comedy relief :rollin



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Development, revising and monitoring policies and procedures for EFC;

Because we're too stupid and dodgy to be able to do it ourselves.

Development, revising and monitoring internal controls to minimise risk;

In other words, don't keep any records around the place that could be incriminating.

Driving adherence and accountability culture by all stakeholders to internal policies, procedures and controls;

Make sure we have the best lawyers to find any and all loopholes.

Ensure the Board of Directors, senior management and employees are in compliance with the rules and regulations of external bodies including the AFL & VCGLR;

Remember the golden rule at Essendon - we know nothing! We'll blame you and hold you 100% responsible if we get caught out again.

Ensure the club medical protocols are adhered to and appropriate reporting is completed;

All medical substances to be labelled either 'Vitamin A' or 'Vitamin B'.

Developing effective training programs for new and existing employees;

All training to be done offsite preferably via Mexico.

Collaboration with internal departments to resolve any compliance issues and mitigate potential risk;

Get Hirdy to give it the okay.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2333 on: February 08, 2014, 08:11:28 PM »
lmao classic
Stolen :-)

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2334 on: February 08, 2014, 08:37:46 PM »
lmao classic
Stolen :-)
Especially the bit the says "this role will be subject to background checks". Yeah just like last time! :lol
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2335 on: February 08, 2014, 10:21:02 PM »
Nothing will happen. Essendon will get away with it. Probably go deep into finals, might even snag a flag. Braindead masses will bitch & boo but keep consuming the tainted, inferior product.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2336 on: February 08, 2014, 10:24:16 PM »
Nothing will happen. Essendon will get away with it. Probably go deep into finals, might even snag a flag. Braindead masses will bitch & boo but keep consuming the tainted, inferior product.

many people will stop following the game i suspect.

some what similar to when fitzory was raped

but as long as money wins at the end of the day thats very important  :)

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2337 on: February 10, 2014, 03:12:52 AM »
Divisions opening up at Windy Hill or is Paul Little now hinting that Hird won't be coming back?
 

Little 'undermined' Hird

   Matt Murnane
    The Age
    February 10, 2014


A central figure in James Hird's fight against the AFL has lashed out at Essendon chairman Paul Little over comments he made about the suspended coach in an interview with Fairfax Media.

Ian Hanke, a former Liberal Party PR adviser who played a key back-room role for Hird throughout the Essendon supplements scandal, has savaged Little for ''undermining'' Hird in an effort to ''appease'' the AFL and chief executive Andrew Demetriou.

Little said Hird would return to the club a ''better person'' than the one suspended for 12 months last year by the AFL, but conceded that he faced a difficult task convincing Hird to move on from the fall-out of the supplements saga.

Little likened Hird the coach to Hird the passionate footballer whose first instinct was to ''whack right back'' after being belted on the playing arena, but admitted that tactic could not be tolerated as the club moved to reform its culture.

Hanke used Twitter over the weekend to take aim at Little for his comments, and predicted that Bombers supporters would be just as outraged as he was at Little's ''appalling'' behaviour.

''Just read Age interview with Paul Little. Got to seriously wonder what he was thinking. No excuses for such appaklng [sic] behaviour from him,'' he tweeted.

''Little really thinks that trying to appease the AFL by undermining his own is a good idea? Really?

''I imagine EFC members will be flaying Little and rightfully so. What planet does he live on… Planet Demetriou. Good grief.''

Describing his relationship with Demetriou as a work in progress,

Little also expressed regret that he had not been able to negotiate directly with Demetriou as the investigation into Essendon's 2012 supplement program unfolded.

Hanke also took exception to those comments, accusing the Essendon chairman of ''shoring up his position'' in the AFL's ''boys club''.

Hanke claimed the AFL had played ''jury, judge and executioner'' in punishing Hird and others at Essendon, pointing out that ASADA's investigation into the club's program had yet to reach a point where infraction notices would be issued to players.

''Little should be railing about the appalling AFL processes so that such a travesty never happens again and reform is instituted. The more I think about this, the worse it is.''

Hanke's criticism of Little is somewhat surprising given the president's unwavering support of Hird in the aftermath of the supplements scandal.

Essendon could not be contacted for comment on Sunday.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/little-undermined-hird-20140209-32a50.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2338 on: February 10, 2014, 09:11:42 AM »
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''I imagine EFC members will be flaying Little and rightfully so. What planet does he live on… Planet Demetriou. Good grief.''
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I cant imagine why the EFC members are not flaying James. What planet do they live on...Planet Hird. Good greif.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2339 on: February 10, 2014, 12:25:31 PM »
lmao classic
Stolen :-)
Especially the bit the says "this role will be subject to background checks". Yeah just like last time! :lol
Yeah, we're gonna check the criminal registers to find just the right person  :rollin