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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2820 on: August 27, 2014, 06:54:19 AM »
Beautiful article on the Essendon fiasco....
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/aug/26/james-hird-essendon-asada-afl

That is a ripping article, nails it!!   :clapping

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2821 on: August 27, 2014, 07:02:39 AM »
Beautiful article on the Essendon fiasco....
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/aug/26/james-hird-essendon-asada-afl

That is a ripping article, nails it!!   :clapping

"To paraphrase Steve Baker from The Footy Almanac, it was the work of a club that not only has its head up its own arse but thinks that the view is spectacular."

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x 3

hit, nail, head  :clapping
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2822 on: August 27, 2014, 01:12:56 PM »
x4  :clapping

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2823 on: August 28, 2014, 09:43:07 PM »
x5  :thumbsup

If Essendon and the AFL think all this will go away in 2015, wait until the next Dreamtime match (our home game). Every time Hird's face is shown on the big screen, the boos and chant of "cheat" amongst other things  ;D from the Tiger Army will be deafening.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2824 on: August 29, 2014, 07:32:48 PM »
what is going on with middleton? I was really hoping for a decision before finals to boot the cheats out again. I will curse  if we finish 9th and then during or after the finals the bombers lose the case and get reamed. Would be the 2 in the ultimate 1-2 KO troll after last season with carlton

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2825 on: August 29, 2014, 08:49:50 PM »
what is going on with middleton? I was really hoping for a decision before finals to boot the cheats out again. I will curse  if we finish 9th and then during or after the finals the bombers lose the case and get reamed. Would be the 2 in the ultimate 1-2 KO troll after last season with carlton

Was always said Judge Middleton would take a minimum of 4 weeks but most probably longer to reach his judgement. Final submissions were made in writing. He's got to read all of them plus all the offer affidavits etc. can't we him coming back before October

Also, court case was never going to result in Bombers being thrown of the finals. Court is only about whether the ASADA investigation was legal and that they can proceed with the current show cause notices. After show cause notices it good drag on for another 3-6 months. Can't see this being over until November or December at the earliest
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2826 on: August 30, 2014, 03:02:46 AM »
what is going on with middleton? I was really hoping for a decision before finals to boot the cheats out again. I will curse  if we finish 9th and then during or after the finals the bombers lose the case and get reamed. Would be the 2 in the ultimate 1-2 KO troll after last season with carlton

We should sue both Essendon and the AFL if that's the case....
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2827 on: August 30, 2014, 10:27:16 AM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2828 on: September 02, 2014, 03:05:27 AM »
Secret document highlights importance of Essendon interviews

  Jon Pierik
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    September 2, 2014


The importance of interviews that Essendon players gave about the club's supplements program has been highlighted in a confidential document the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority showed AFL integrity chief Brett Clothier.

The document, included as part of an affidavit lodged by ASADA's national operations manager, Trevor Burgess, – who stood for former ASADA chief Aurora Andruska while she was on leave in July last year – indicated the level of detail the players gave about the controversial injecting program run by sports scientist Stephen Dank.

Through these interviews, the proposed contents report stated how difficult it would be for the players to argue a "no fault defence".

In what could be a salient point to the 34 current and former Essendon players issued with show-cause notices, it says: "While different players will have different prospects of being able to make out the defences, based on the players' own admissions, it will be extremely difficult for most of them to establish that they exercised utmost caution, to justify the application of the no fault defence. This defence will draw on the provisions of the code and interview transcripts."

Under the subhead "prohibited substances", the report says there is "player knowledge of the storage of WADA-prohibited substances at the club based on interview transcripts and quoting examples".

It adds: "Advice from EFC personnel to individual players about WADA-prohibited substances injected, and players seeing vials based on interview transcripts and quoting examples.

"Circumstances in which players were administered substances (whether prohibited or not) at EFC and away from the club based on interview transcripts and quoting examples.

"Evidence of possible player and others use of prohibited substances based on interview transcripts and quoting examples."

Under the subhead "potential application of the World Anti-Doping Code", one of the proposed discussion points would be "discussion of sanction reduction provisions (timely admission; substantial assistance) and defence (no fault, no negligence; no significant fault or negligence; specified substances defence) and the difficulty in general of making out the defences".

Burgess flew to Melbourne on July 16 last year to show Clothier the proposed contents report as part of discussions about what to include in ASADA's interim report, eventually released on August 2.

Essendon and coach James Hird have argued in the Federal Court that the interviews were conducted as part of an unlawful investigation and should be scrapped – therefore leading to the revoking of the 34 show-cause notices alleging the use of Thymosin beta 4. They also allege the interim report was unlawfully used for purposes other than an anti-doping investigation: that being to punish Hird and the club for governance breaches.

Lawyers for the 34 players also want the show-cause notices dismissed as part of the case Hird and the Bombers have before Justice John Middleton. The players and Hird believe they were not given the right to silence under the ASADA legislation, having been compelled to tell the truth under the AFL's contractual powers.

While ASADA says it gathered more evidence after the interim report was lodged in August last year, which would include interviews with drug dealer Shane Charter and compound pharmacist Nima Alavi, the interviews with players are seen as crucial to its case against the players and the Bombers.

However, ASADA lawyers maintain that if Middleton does void the interviews, ASADA could still reacquire the transcripts from the AFL under its powers.

In that July 16 meeting, Burgess said Clothier told him the AFL already had its own transcripts of interviews, and "said words to the effect that ASADA's summary report would be one part of what the AFL Commission would consider (in penalising Essendon) and the AFL would not be making a decision on the summary report alone".

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/secret-document-highlights-importance-of-essendon-interviews-20140901-10ay7b.html#ixzz3C5IaP1LK

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2829 on: September 02, 2014, 03:08:57 AM »
Dean Robinson's lawyer granted access to documents from 'rogue operators' meeting

  Mark Russell
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    September 2, 2014


Lawyers for Essendon Football Club's former high-performance coach Dean Robinson have been granted access to documents involving a meeting where the issue of blaming "rogue operators" for the supplements scandal was allegedly discussed.

Mr Robinson, nicknamed "The Weapon", is suing the Bombers for up to $2 million, claiming he was made the scapegoat for the scandal after being stood down by the club in February 2013.

Barrister Gideon Boas told Supreme Court Justice Jack Forrest on Monday that Mr Robinson's legal team had subpoenaed Essential Media Communications and its director Liz Lukin, who worked as a media relations consultant for Essendon before she resigned in July 2013.

Mr Boas was seeking any documents, notes or text messages related to a meeting some time in March 2013 when Ms Lukin allegedly told high-ranking Essendon officials, including the then club chairman David Evans and chief executive Ian Robson, of a proposed strategy to blame "rogue operators" for the supplements scandal.

He said a former Essendon employee, strength scientist Suki Hobson, had been at the meeting and was upset by what had been discussed.

Ms Hobson claimed that when it was suggested the club should be more concerned over what actually happened, Ms Lukin replied: "No, it won't help us moving forward".

Mr Boas said Mr Robinson was identified as someone who could take the fall. Lawyer Simona Gory, for Essential Media Communications, told the court the subpoenas were a fishing exercise and the company should not have to produce any documents.

But Justice Forrest ruled the documents were relevant to Mr Robinson's claim that he had been unfairly stood down without explanation.

The judge said Essendon's management of the supplements saga was integral to Mr Robinson's case and ordered the documents be produced by September 11. A likely trial date for the case is November 15.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-robinsons-lawyer-granted-access-to-documents-from-rogue-operators-meeting-20140901-10ay1b.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2830 on: September 02, 2014, 11:23:06 AM »
Dean Robinson's lawyer granted access to documents from 'rogue operators' meeting

  Mark Russell
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    September 2, 2014


Lawyers for Essendon Football Club's former high-performance coach Dean Robinson have been granted access to documents involving a meeting where the issue of blaming "rogue operators" for the supplements scandal was allegedly discussed.

Mr Robinson, nicknamed "The Weapon", is suing the Bombers for up to $2 million, claiming he was made the scapegoat for the scandal after being stood down by the club in February 2013.

Barrister Gideon Boas told Supreme Court Justice Jack Forrest on Monday that Mr Robinson's legal team had subpoenaed Essential Media Communications and its director Liz Lukin, who worked as a media relations consultant for Essendon before she resigned in July 2013.

Mr Boas was seeking any documents, notes or text messages related to a meeting some time in March 2013 when Ms Lukin allegedly told high-ranking Essendon officials, including the then club chairman David Evans and chief executive Ian Robson, of a proposed strategy to blame "rogue operators" for the supplements scandal.

He said a former Essendon employee, strength scientist Suki Hobson, had been at the meeting and was upset by what had been discussed.

Ms Hobson claimed that when it was suggested the club should be more concerned over what actually happened, Ms Lukin replied: "No, it won't help us moving forward".

Mr Boas said Mr Robinson was identified as someone who could take the fall. Lawyer Simona Gory, for Essential Media Communications, told the court the subpoenas were a fishing exercise and the company should not have to produce any documents.

But Justice Forrest ruled the documents were relevant to Mr Robinson's claim that he had been unfairly stood down without explanation.

The judge said Essendon's management of the supplements saga was integral to Mr Robinson's case and ordered the documents be produced by September 11. A likely trial date for the case is November 15.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-robinsons-lawyer-granted-access-to-documents-from-rogue-operators-meeting-20140901-10ay1b.html
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Clause in AFLPA CBA agreement gives scope for Essendon players to walk (HS)
« Reply #2832 on: September 04, 2014, 03:04:02 AM »
Clause in CBA agreement between AFL players and AFL gives scope for Essendon players to walk

Michael Warner
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September 04, 2014


A LITTLE-KNOWN clause in the AFL’s collective bargaining agreement could give Essendon players the option of walking out of the club as delisted free agents.

The AFL Players’ Association confirmed on Wednesday night that a rule had been agreed in June that gives players the right to terminate their contracts and sign with a rival club of choice.

A player must prove the breach of contract.

For an Essendon player to successfully invoke the clause, he would have to prove Essendon’s conduct in relation to its 2012 supplements program represented a breach.

The Bombers do not believe they have breached contracts.

The CBA clause reads: “Each AFL club must immediately delist a player who has terminated his standard playing contract for cause.”

It comes as speculation grows over the future of Essendon ruckman Paddy Ryder.

Ryder has been one of the most emotionally affected players throughout the Essendon drugs saga. His manager Paul Connors declined to comment on Wednesday night.

An Essendon spokesman said: “Paddy is contracted until the end of 2016. He’s an Essendon person and an important member of our team.”

AFLPA executive Ian Prendergast said the new clause was “available to all players, not just one player or one club”.

“(The CBA clause) has been introduced based on the fundamental principle that any player who has the right to terminate for cause should be unfettered in his ability to continue his ­career at another club,” Prendergast said.

The Herald Sun has been told some agents are exploring the option of Essendon players moving clubs unhindered.

The prospect of claiming a contract breach could also be used in negotiations for managers seeking a trade for a player.

Essendon would not be compensated for the loss of a player who enforced the option.

The Bombers could try to block a player’s departure at the AFL Grievance Tribunal.

Previously, players would have been forced to seek the approval of the AFL Commission to establish that a breach of contract had occurred.

The AFLPA has stated it believed ­Essendon was in breach of its duty of care to its players during the 2012 season.

ASADA issued show cause notices to 34 current and former Essendon players in June.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/clause-in-cba-agreement-between-afl-players-and-afl-gives-scope-for-essendon-players-to-walk/story-fndv8gad-1227046859387

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2833 on: September 04, 2014, 07:33:43 AM »
Yeeeeeeeah!!!!!!

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2834 on: September 04, 2014, 08:13:42 AM »
Ryder pls