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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3840 on: January 22, 2016, 09:16:26 PM »
Essendon will enter the record books this year in a number of categories. Let's take a look at a few that will get a shake.

Worst Percentages- Top 10 all time
Could go top 5 here- are certainly looking close to post war lowest ever
St Kilda       23.22    1899
St Kilda       28.99   1897
St Kilda       32.14   1901
St Kilda      32.67   1898
St Kilda       37.46   1900
St Kilda       41.88   1902
Melbourne   42.96   1919
St Kilda       45.39   1955
GWS            46.17   2012
Carlton        46.99   1901

Most points against in a season
I am tipping the Bombers to relieve the Saints of an unwanted record. Should push our shocking 1992 season down to 5th spot at least

St Kilda   3052pts       1982
Footscray   3035       1982
GWS         2990       2013
Richmond   2938       1992
St Kilda      2937         1985
Fitzroy      2935         1996
Melb           2929        1978
Carlton     2911         2007
Sydney     2901         1993
Melb        2873         1981

Worst Record - Home & Away Season (since 1945)
Should win this one. In the unlikely event that they snatch a game, could still go top 3.
Team   P   W   L   %   Year
Hawthorn   18        18    49.81   1950
Fitzroy   18           18      59.73   1964
Fitzroy   22   1       21       49.47   1996
GWS    22   1       21       50.97   2013
Nth Melb   22   1       21        62.88   1972
Melb    22   1       21           63.49   1981
Sydney   20   1       19      63.32   1993
St Kilda   18   1       17      45.39   1955
Fitzroy   18   1       17           53.83   1966
Fitzroy   18   1       17          57.4          1963

Greatest winning margins
I'm tipping 2 Top 5 entries in the opponent column in 2016
Rank    Margin    Club    Opponent    Year    Round    Venue
1    190    Fitzroy    Melbourne    1979    17    VFL Park
2    186    Geelong    Melbourne    2011    19    Kardinia Park
3    178    Collingwood    St Kilda    1979    4    Victoria Park
4    171    South Melbourne    St Kilda    1919    12    Lake Oval
5    168    Richmond    North Melbourne    1931    2    Punt Road Oval



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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3841 on: January 22, 2016, 11:14:31 PM »
Bombers weigh up high-stakes appeal

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January 22, 2016


FORMER Essendon players could form a breakaway group to launch a high-stakes appeal against their suspensions, with lawyers considering an injunction in a Swiss court.

Western Bulldogs president, lawyer Peter Gordon, is consulting lawyers in Switzerland about appealing the Court of Arbitration for Sport decision to the Swiss Federal Tribunal on behalf of Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall.

The Herald Sun understands any appeal would be made on the grounds that:

WADA should not have been able to appeal the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal decision without proving a legal error or it was grossly unreasonable.

THE CAS decision didn’t ­ade­quately address the circumst­ances of each of the 34 players on a case-by-case basis; and

THE 12-month penalty was ­unreasonable.

Player manager Peter Jess, who has been speaking to lawyers for Nathan Lovett-Murray, backed Mr Gordon.

“There are still massive hurdles to overcome. An appeal won’t be heard for months, but if we can get an urgent injunction at least that will free up the players,” Mr Jess said.

“The CAS decision was factually incorrect in a number of ways, in particular taking facts from one player and applying it to the whole group.”

Mr Gordon, whose son Patrick is representing Crameri and Prismall, said they were considering an ­injunction to stay the CAS decision and let the pair play this season.

“History will show these young men have been subject to one of the gravest injustices in Australian sporting history,” he told ABC radio.

“There can’t be a full hearing before the start of the full season. (But there could be an) urgent injunction to stay the effect of the CAS ruling until a full hearing of the tribunal.

“This CAS judgment contains factual errors, unsupported propositions of law, it applies findings that may be pertinent to one player and ­extrapolates it to the other 33, often with no basis at all.”

Mr Gordon said under the 2010 AFL Anti-Doping Code, AFL Anti-Doping tribunal decisions could only be appealed if they contained a legal error or gross unreasonableness.

However, changes made to AFL anti-doping code in January last year — mandated by a World Anti-Doping Code change — allowed CAS to examine the case again.

“You can’t change the rules mid-course, as a cynic might see it, because you know you’re going to lose,” Mr Gordon said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/essendon-banned-players-consider-appeal-to-swiss-court/news-story/6b81964bed44aeea6760ddada397f9e3

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3842 on: January 26, 2016, 11:04:17 AM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3843 on: January 26, 2016, 01:07:52 PM »
Swiss courts won't give a stuff.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3844 on: January 26, 2016, 01:10:53 PM »


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3845 on: January 26, 2016, 07:42:28 PM »
his nephew (Alex Browne) is one of the Essendon 34, drug cheats
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3846 on: January 26, 2016, 11:35:02 PM »
CAS sources point out Essendon could have been punished more severely, if the AFL was not its own international federation.

WADA rules allow for an international federation to suspend an entire team from competition if three or more players from the one team had been found guilty of a doping violation, as occurred with the Korean women's soccer team barred from a FIFA World Cup.

Because the AFL is a one-country sport, it is not answerable to international federations like the other football codes.

This has prevented Essendon from being stood down, as a club, in 2016, rendering the AFL a 17-team competition with significant ramifications for broadcasters, sponsors and, importantly, fans.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/the-essendon-verdict-the-debate-continues-20160125-gmdmn1.html
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3847 on: January 27, 2016, 02:20:53 AM »
CAS sources point out Essendon could have been punished more severely, if the AFL was not its own international federation.

WADA rules allow for an international federation to suspend an entire team from competition if three or more players from the one team had been found guilty of a doping violation, as occurred with the Korean women's soccer team barred from a FIFA World Cup.

Because the AFL is a one-country sport, it is not answerable to international federations like the other football codes.

This has prevented Essendon from being stood down, as a club, in 2016, rendering the AFL a 17-team competition with significant ramifications for broadcasters, sponsors and, importantly, fans.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/the-essendon-verdict-the-debate-continues-20160125-gmdmn1.html
For the AFL, it's been convenient that the saga has dragged out for a long long 3 years. Essendon can still fill a team in 2016 with the top-up players, whereas if this ban had occurred back in 2013, it would have been all 34 players out from their list and the AFL would've likely breached their TV deal contract which demands an 18-team competition.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3850 on: January 27, 2016, 06:42:22 PM »
Should See the deficiency in IQ amongst bummers fans, arguing against him on Twatter. .....

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Bombers fined $200k over drugs saga .... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #3851 on: January 28, 2016, 11:45:55 AM »
A beseiged Essendon Football Club took another hit today, copping a $200,000 fine for workplace safety breaches during their 2012 supplements regime.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-bombers-fined-200000-for-workplace-safety-breaches-over-supplements-saga/news-story/9376b7abd1c210dbe9434cf3745f9695

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3852 on: January 28, 2016, 12:01:54 PM »
Afl communist equalisation fund can take care of that
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3853 on: January 31, 2016, 03:59:37 AM »
New twist as Dank to argue he did not send Charter to China

Jon Pierik
The Age
January 31, 2016


Former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank is to argue he did not source banned peptides from China through disgraced biochemist Shane Charter, as he prepares to ramp up more than two dozen defamation cases.

Charter has been a central figure in the case against 34 past and present Essendon players, although he changed his evidence from when he was grilled by anti-doping investigators to when he was interviewed by lawyers and Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell representing the players.

Charter, a convicted drug importer, originally said he went to China in November 2011 to source thymosin beta-4, the drug the players ultimately have been banned for a year for taking, and the legal immunity booster, thymosin alpha.

Charter later said he had sourced only thymosin alpha, on behalf of Dank's business partner at his Sydney anti-ageing clinic.

In what shapes as another twist, Fairfax Media has been told Dank is to argue Charter's entire evidence was a lie, and that neither he nor his business partner had asked Charter to make the trip to China. Dank will also argue he had never sourced peptides through Charter.

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency had argued that thymosin beta-4 procured by Charter was given to Melbourne compounding pharmacist Nima Alavi and injected into Essendon players by Dank.

However, Dank is set to argue his relationship with Alavi did not begin until December 11, 2011, again highlighting he had nothing to do with Charter or Alavi when the trip to China allegedly took place.

In an interview on 3AW in December 2014, Charter said ASADA had electronic evidence of him sourcing thymosin beta-4 from China and supplying it for Alavi. He also added: "Dank asked for a range of peptides, including thymosin beta-4."

While Dank will argue he did not send Charter to China, the pair did have previous dealings: they had in that same year discussed a joint business venture, which ultimately was rejected by Dank.

Dank is expected to admit he used thymosin beta 4 at his clinic, but not on the Essendon players. He has maintained he only gave thymomodulin, a permitted thymosin peptide, to the players.

But when handing down its findings this month, the Court of Arbitration for Sport found that Dank's program could only have been geared towards thymosin beta-4 "as no other available form of thymosin would have provided Mr Dank's desired results" in terms of player recovery benefits.

Dank is expected to launch legal action against Charter this year, as well as individuals from the NRL, AFL, ASADA and major media outlets. He has already won a defamation case against News Corp for $50,000.

As the supplements saga rolls on, player agent Peter Jess has recommended the 34 players consider criminal action against Dank. Jess has sought legal advice from a leading barrister over whether Dank could be hauled before a court and compelled to explain his actions.

Jess, who said the barrister wanted to remain anonymous at this time, has provided Fairfax Media with documents outlining a potential assault case.

The document alleges Dank could be prosecuted for assault under the Victorian Crimes Act 1958.

"Assault means the direct or indirect application of force by a person to the body of, or to the clothing or equipment worn by, another person, where the application of force is: without lawful excuse ... application of matter in solid, liquid or gaseous form," the document states.

The barrister states: "It would seem on the above mentioned and in the circumstances, that Stephen Dank would be guilty of assault. He also could be guilty of 'recklessly wounding or inflicting serious grievous bodily harm' on the players, as section 17 of the Victorian Crimes Act states".

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-34-new-twist-as-stephen-dank-to-argue-he-did-not-send-shane-charter-to-china-20160130-gmhn50.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS
« Reply #3854 on: February 01, 2016, 04:25:36 AM »
Stephen Dank warns more to play out in the never-ending Essendon drugs saga

Matt Murnane
The Age
February 1, 2016


Stephen Dank has warned there is more to play out in the never-ending Essendon drugs saga, claiming he will put key witnesses from football's biggest story on the stand and, as a result, leave ASADA with "huge" questions to answer about the investigation that led to 34 past and present Bombers players receiving year-long bans.

In a continuation of Dank's recent approach of avoiding high-profile mainstream media, he offered an extensive late-night interview to 3RRR's Party Show over the weekend and made a number of strong statements aimed at some of the saga's most prominent figures.

During the interview, Dank was questioned several times about the existence of the detailed records that he claimed he kept through a supplements program he said was "certainly robust in governance".

Dank claimed that he had confirmation from a "very robust" body that the spreadsheets and the documentation associated with the products used at Essendon were "certainly in the keeping of at least ASADA", and "probably the AFL as well".

"Certainly from my end, I believe there is proof that exists in terms of what the players took and that substantiates everything that I've said all the way along," he said.

A theory was put to Dank during the interview that someone at Essendon had hit the delete button on some of the records, to which Dank replied: "That's been put to me by two people, two people who I believe are well placed to support that theory".
nswer "specifics" about the supplements program and the drugs involved until he could do so in a "more appropriate forum".

Dank gave extensive answers to some questions and only vague, restricted answers to others, asked by two interviewers who were known to him, and again, Dank refused to a
Among other statements, Dank claimed that some players had family members present when they had injections in the program and stressed that no player was ever asked to not fully disclose the supplements they were being given when drug tested by ASADA.

Dank said it was "laughable" that Thymosin beta-4 – the banned substance the "Essendon 34" were found guilty of taking by the CAS – was even considered performance enhancing and downplayed the importance of the supplements program in what he was trying to achieve at Essendon, working closely with fitness boss Dean Robinson.

Dank claimed the supplements program was simply an "adjunct to bigger areas of physiology that we were developing".

This is contradictory to a text message that emerged during the ASADA investigation, where it is alleged Dank said to Robinson: "don't forget how important Thymosin is. This is going to be our vital cornerstone next year".

In another statement, Dank said ASADA needed to go "back to kindergarten" if it thought Thymosin beta-4 was at the forefront of doping.

Dank has a number of planned law suits in the works against media organisations, so it is likely that subsequent legal action that brought to the surface any flaws in ASADA's investigation would be too late to help those players who had been banned.

But Dank continued his long-running narrative that he had done nothing wrong and that his legal action would uncover the truth, eventually.

Read more at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/stephen-dank-warns-more-to-play-out-in-the-neverending-essendon-drugs-saga-20160131-gmi6zs.html