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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #210 on: September 26, 2013, 10:43:48 PM »
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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #211 on: September 26, 2013, 11:53:58 PM »
It's one thing to improve your list with the Houli's and Griggs but when you get to our stage in development, first and foremost, each year you need to improve your best 22. This kid will definitely do that from what I have seen of him. But we need to find a way to get him and also keep our pick 11.
We need to add two quality players to our best 22. Even the premiers add at least one good kid and if you are to bridge the gap you need two. It also pushes the last 2 out that usually get a game.

GWS are going to want one or even two decent, mature players IMO instead of more draft picks. So for me, if you are not in the best 22 or you are borderline, and simular to others on the list, than you are expendable. The likes of S.Edwards, Batchelor, Bachar, Grigg, McGuane, Jackson, Helbig, White, Arnot are all replaceable and wouldn't really be missed if they went. I know a few have had good seasons, but there is only so many spots in the 22. And of those I have mentioned, I recon we need an upgrade on those that are currently getting a game now.

The Tigers need to be "bold" just like our song says, and make some tough calls. It's the only way we can bridge that fairly big gap between us and the top couple of sides. The Pies seemed to be heading in that direction putting up a player like Shaw.

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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #213 on: September 27, 2013, 09:22:14 AM »
I love how they choke in grand finals  :cheers
As opposed to choking in the first elimination final?

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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #214 on: September 27, 2013, 09:31:02 AM »
I love how they choke in grand finals  :cheers
As opposed to choking in the first elimination final?
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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #216 on: September 27, 2013, 12:21:50 PM »
$400k 3 year deal on offer from the Pies (will be on the same sort of coin as Dayne Beams) - which is the highest offer he's received.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/taylor-adams-tigers-show-interest.1021127/page-31#post-30340919

With Thomas now likely re-signing with Collingwood and them chasing Jesse White (a swap with Shaw?), I'm not sure how they can still get Adams as well.

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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #217 on: September 27, 2013, 12:24:22 PM »
$400k 3 year deal on offer from the Pies (will be on the same sort of coin as Dayne Beams) - which is the highest offer he's received.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/taylor-adams-tigers-show-interest.1021127/page-31#post-30340919

With Thomas now likely re-signing with Collingwood and them chasing Jesse White (a swap with Shaw?), I'm not sure how they can still get Adams as well.
Jolly and Didak would have been on some fair coin I'd imagine.

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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #218 on: September 27, 2013, 12:50:00 PM »
It's one thing to improve your list with the Houli's and Griggs but when you get to our stage in development, first and foremost, each year you need to improve your best 22. This kid will definitely do that from what I have seen of him. But we need to find a way to get him and also keep our pick 11.
We need to add two quality players to our best 22. Even the premiers add at least one good kid and if you are to bridge the gap you need two. It also pushes the last 2 out that usually get a game.

GWS are going to want one or even two decent, mature players IMO instead of more draft picks. So for me, if you are not in the best 22 or you are borderline, and simular to others on the list, than you are expendable. The likes of S.Edwards, Batchelor, Bachar, Grigg, McGuane, Jackson, Helbig, White, Arnot are all replaceable and wouldn't really be missed if they went.

reckon we can either trade for players and use up what good picks we have or we can embrace the draft with early picks.
imo we cant do both.

people are not paying attention. taylor adams is a high quality player he could we;ll end up in the top echelon of players from all clubs.
lets see. a hypothetical.
lets use nick vlastuin as an example.
hes just got thru his first yr and hes done more than expected. he looks great.  lets say next yr he takes it up another notch as well and ends up with more improvement   like adams has atm. adams is very  impressive for a kid who has played for just two yrs at the level. like adams vlastuin ticks most boxes  he has poise good skills makes good decisions  is tough is a leader and atm adams can really win a lot of ball and does get a lot of ball. in oither words the quality word  should be used.


i have to ask knowing what vlastuin should/will become what is acceptable to us if say he wanted to theoretically go home to gws. would we in all seriousness accept one or two of
s edwards, batchelor, houli, grigg, mcguane, jackson, helbig, white, arnot.  the simple answer is we would laugh our heads off.
we would only accept a quality player in return failing that a very good draft pick or picks.
so why would gws accept for adams  any thing less than we would ourselves.

imo we dont have any players they would accept that fit into what is acceptable except our better  young players.
  to trade one of them out for adams would mean we tread water gaining little.an upgrade on an already good player.  the idea is to add on and significantly improve our list for the long term.

reckon to trade for adams and not use pick 11 we need to look at what quality players we have and who we can most afford to lose and who we can cover.

theres not many who actually fit the bill to trade for quality players.  and they cant be replaced. imo the only real thing we can offer up for adams is pick 11. if we get adams we will not have pick 11 or we will be one less quality player short.

all up i reckon theres 8 or 9 players we could trade who have real value when trading for a quality player to come in. most of em are required players in the right age group and to trade em out defeats the purpose.

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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #219 on: September 27, 2013, 02:11:19 PM »
Yup, need to part with pick 11 for Adams which is worth it IMO. I'd be pretty confident in saying the player we draft at 11 would be similar to Adams in quality (maybe better, maybe not), minus the 2 years AFL experience though.

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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #220 on: September 27, 2013, 02:43:45 PM »
you are correct JVT, but GWS have said they want experienced players, which is why they have put pick 1 on the table.

sure it possibly will come down to take what you get, ( and other factors such as what they may get for pick 1) but if someone else can offer a player that GWS find appealing they will probably do their best to convince adams to go there.
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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #221 on: September 27, 2013, 03:34:11 PM »
you are correct JVT, but GWS have said they want experienced players, which is why they have put pick 1 on the table.

sure it possibly will come down to take what you get, ( and other factors such as what they may get for pick 1) but if someone else can offer a player that GWS find appealing they will probably do their best to convince adams to go there.
Agree, not saying that will get it done, but that is the price for him. I don't think we have any senior players they'd be after either.

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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #222 on: September 27, 2013, 08:27:56 PM »
It's one thing to improve your list with the Houli's and Griggs but when you get to our stage in development, first and foremost, each year you need to improve your best 22. This kid will definitely do that from what I have seen of him. But we need to find a way to get him and also keep our pick 11.
We need to add two quality players to our best 22. Even the premiers add at least one good kid and if you are to bridge the gap you need two. It also pushes the last 2 out that usually get a game.

GWS are going to want one or even two decent, mature players IMO instead of more draft picks. So for me, if you are not in the best 22 or you are borderline, and simular to others on the list, than you are expendable. The likes of S.Edwards, Batchelor, Bachar, Grigg, McGuane, Jackson, Helbig, White, Arnot are all replaceable and wouldn't really be missed if they went.

reckon we can either trade for players and use up what good picks we have or we can embrace the draft with early picks.
imo we cant do both.

people are not paying attention. taylor adams is a high quality player he could we;ll end up in the top echelon of players from all clubs.
lets see. a hypothetical.
lets use nick vlastuin as an example.
hes just got thru his first yr and hes done more than expected. he looks great.  lets say next yr he takes it up another notch as well and ends up with more improvement   like adams has atm. adams is very  impressive for a kid who has played for just two yrs at the level. like adams vlastuin ticks most boxes  he has poise good skills makes good decisions  is tough is a leader and atm adams can really win a lot of ball and does get a lot of ball. in oither words the quality word  should be used.


i have to ask knowing what vlastuin should/will become what is acceptable to us if say he wanted to theoretically go home to gws. would we in all seriousness accept one or two of
s edwards, batchelor, houli, grigg, mcguane, jackson, helbig, white, arnot.  the simple answer is we would laugh our heads off.
we would only accept a quality player in return failing that a very good draft pick or picks.
so why would gws accept for adams  any thing less than we would ourselves.

imo we dont have any players they would accept that fit into what is acceptable except our better  young players.
  to trade one of them out for adams would mean we tread water gaining little.an upgrade on an already good player.  the idea is to add on and significantly improve our list for the long term.

reckon to trade for adams and not use pick 11 we need to look at what quality players we have and who we can most afford to lose and who we can cover.

theres not many who actually fit the bill to trade for quality players.  and they cant be replaced. imo the only real thing we can offer up for adams is pick 11. if we get adams we will not have pick 11 or we will be one less quality player short.

all up i reckon theres 8 or 9 players we could trade who have real value when trading for a quality player to come in. most of em are required players in the right age group and to trade em out defeats the purpose.
So you don't think a combination of any two of these guys, Edwards, Jackson, Grigg, McGuane, White or Houli would get it done? All have over 100 games experience at AFL level, mostly all with finals experience, all with solid bodies, and some with leadership experience. I know you don't rate any of those guys but you really don't rate many on our list, if any??
 Remember this kid wants out of GWS and I'm pretty sure they don't want more draft picks.
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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #223 on: September 27, 2013, 08:57:56 PM »
its all bs, he wants to come to us, we will do a deal and get him, stuff Collingwood, GWS isn't Melbourne, they won't suck them in lol
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Re: Richmond interested in GWS's Taylor Adams (afl site)
« Reply #224 on: September 28, 2013, 09:48:36 AM »
GWS will give up their Pick 1 to the hawks for Buddy.
Tiger swap pick 11 or the Pies swap pick 10 for Adams.

I think we should get him but the offer that the pies put on the table is fairly steep though particularly given what we are offering Dusty. They would know this and be trying to exploit the situation. I hope we can find a way.  :pray