I can feell a mutiny coming on

[WilliamPowell]

Rebel Richmond member Michael Pahoff declared yesterday he had gathered enough signatures to call an extraordinary general meeting that could spell the end for president Clinton Casey at Punt Road, but remained vague about his future plans for the club.

Don't want to crictise Michael - but what I have highlighted  I reckon sums up why the last 2 weeks can only be described as a joke and embarassment 

As for famous faces - is Russell Crowe going to stand ???

[mightytiges]

Night of long knives looms at Tigerland
By Jake Niall
realfooty.theage.com.au
July 1, 2004

They're sharpening the knives at Tigerland. Just for a change. Past players are plotting the passing of Clinton Casey, while Greg Miller prepares to prune big dollars from the football department.

As the plotters prepare to sink the blade into the resilient skin of the president, they face a dilemma that has enormous ramifications for the Richmond Football Club - when is the right time for revolution?

It's a question that Brendan Schwab and Charles Macek, former board members and Casey critics, would be pondering now as they weigh up the pros and cons of a challenge and sift through the resumes of suitable running mates.

Those past players who are agitating for change, too, will confront the delicate question of when to declare their hand.

The revolutionaries will have to consider both political strategy and that most misused of phrases - "the best interests of the football club".

If the plotters produce their switchblades as soon as possible, such as within the next fortnight, they have a chance to seize power before the club is set on a particular course by the present board.

An instant coup would give the new regime, whether it is led by Schwab, Macek or someone else, the opportunity to make decisions that might influence the 2005 season.

The appointment of a new coach is probably already beyond the scope of a prospective new board. Casey, Miller and David Parkin have already formed the threesome that will consider the credentials of Rodney Eade, Terry Wallace, Mark Harvey and the other clipboard contenders. It's unlikely that the process could or would be altered by a change of leadership.

But there are many other decisions for which the challengers, presumably, would like to have hold of the steering wheel.

There will be fundamental choices, such as whether Richmond pursues a youth policy - as Wayne Campbell suggested was likely following Danny Frawley's resignation. Richmond has not truly embraced youth, lock stock and barrel, since Kevin Bartlett drafted Campbell to the club 14 years ago.

There's other big calls for the regime. How much money can it spend? Does it beef up marketing? Which assistant coaches should stay and go? What's the club's strategic long-term plan?

The act-ASAP argument is bleeding obvious: if they don't jump now, the major decisions will be made before the revolutionaries - who will be as much old guard as new broom - take office.

Should the battle begin soon, however, the anti-Casey forces will be open to the accusation that they are rocking the boat at a delicate time, when the club is trying to attract a coach of quality.

The plotters run the risk of frightening not the horses, but the coaches. They would argue, of course, that Casey's leadership is the greater obstacle to attracting the right people to Richmond.

Unfortunately for both Casey and his would-be-challengers, the Richmond reputation for instability has already done plenty of damage.

David Cloke, who played nearly twice as many games for Richmond as Collingwood, recently admitted that his family had to take into account the apparent tumult of Tigerland when choosing a home for his talented third son, Travis. The Clokes, unsurprisingly, chose the certainty of Collingwood.

To run now or later, when the hurly-burly is done? It might be a decision of greater magnitude than the appointment of the coach.

At least the challengers, should they come out from the shadows, will not have to defend themselves against the usual charge that they will be "disrupting the team during the season". Danny Frawley has gone and, as far as 2004 goes, so is Richmond.

http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/30/1088488026599.html?oneclick=true

[mightytiges]

As the plotters prepare to sink the blade into the resilient skin of the president, they face a dilemma that has enormous ramifications for the Richmond Football Club - when is the right time for revolution?

I think after over 20 years of promised revolutions after promised revolutions that achieve bugger all and only keep us on mediocrity street there is no right time for revolution at Tigerland . 

The revolutionaries will have to consider both political strategy and that most misused of phrases - "the best interests of the football club".

The act-ASAP argument is bleeding obvious: if they don't jump now, the major decisions will be made before the revolutionaries - who will be as much old guard as new broom - take office.

This is the last thing we need. Either or worst still both sides making and timing decisions based on political manouevring rather than correct long-term policy and planning. Some of us never learn but that's not surprising since those involved have a past history of repeating the same mistakes .

[Ox]

Stuff Travis Cloke.
 

[mightytiges]

Casey: Front me or shut up
06 July 2004 
Herald Sun
Mark Stevens

Casey last night said he'd heard nothing despite speculation he would be asked to resign by his former deputy Brendan Schwab at a meeting this week.

"Nobody's contacted me – it's absolute news to me," Casey said.

Casey said he would be happy to talk to any challengers amid reports Schwab was forming a ticket in a bid to seize control at Punt Rd.

"If someone rings up and says `let's have a chat', of course I'd have a chat. At this point, that hasn't happened," Casey said. "It is business as usual. We're going through a review of the list and putting membership and sponsorship plans in to place."

An alternative ticket reportedly includes TAC executive Colin Radford, but it is understood Radford told Casey at the weekend he was not part of any ticket.

Radford has confirmed he would like a place on the board, but it is believed he has not met several of the others named as part of the looming alternative ticket.

If Radford does run, it will cause a conflict on the major sponsorship front at Punt Rd.

The TAC's Radford would be in one camp and Motorola boss Alan Nicklos in Casey's camp.

Others mooted to be on a ticket are ex-players Bryan Wood, Dick Clay and Peter Welsh and liquidation specialist Mike Humphris.

Casey was last week accused of going into election mode at the club's expense when he mailed out an open letter to all members, but he said last night the move was funded out of his own pocket.

"I didn't want to make it look like board propaganda so I thought I'd fund it myself," he said.

Rebel member Michael Pahoff, who has enough signatures to force an emergency general meeting, is on holiday and is yet to hand his petition to the club. He says the petition is in the hands of another group.

Ironically, given his bid to overturn the board, Pahoff has spent much of his break studying re-enactments of the Battle of Gettysburg.

He has told the Richmond fan site www.puntroadend.com that reflecting on American history has given new meaning to his bid for change.

He has linked the heroic acts of Boston merchant John Adams to the push for change at Punt Rd.

"He didn't like the way the British were running trade barriers into Boston Harbour. He got a few mates together, dressed as Indians, boarded a British cargo ship and threw its contents of tea overboard," Pahoff said.

"He didn't wait till he had a majority of the American population. He just did what he thought was right."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10052750%255E20322,00.html

[mightytiges]

Casey last night said he'd heard nothing despite speculation he would be asked to resign by his former deputy Brendan Schwab at a meeting this week.

"Nobody's contacted me – it's absolute news to me," Casey said.

Well this supposed meeting between Schwab and Casey was meant to be held tomorrow according to media reports so someone's in for a shock or it's the media just speculating once again.

"If someone rings up and says `let's have a chat', of course I'd have a chat. At this point, that hasn't happened," Casey said.

What's Clinton's phone number?

As for the second half of that article on Michael - OMG . Talk about away with the pixies . Still interesting to know that someone who was collecting signatures as an independent has now handed over his petition to a "mystery" alternative group. Just goes to show again he has no idea what he's doing as his plans change every week. 

[WilliamPowell]

As for the second half of that article on Michael - OMG . Talk about away with the pixies . Still interesting to know that someone who was collecting signatures as an independent has now handed over his petition to a "mystery" alternative group. Just goes to show again he has no idea what he's doing as his plans change every week. 

American history, the battle of Gettysburg for crying out loud is he serious Sadly, it would appear so. Spot MT - he has no idea what he is doing - whether it be independantly, for some other group or studying the Battle of Gettysburg.

I wonder how some of the people who signed his petition are feeling ???

[mightytiges]

[or studying the Battle of Gettysburg.

Mustn't have studied it too hard. The rebels lost that one .

[mightytiges]

According to Craig Hutchison on Talking Footy, Michael Pahoff arrived back in Oz today (Hutchy spoke to him at the airport) and will decide over the weekend whehter to hand in his petition to the Club which is most likely to occur. Allegedly Michael claims Clinton gave him an assurance that Clinton would consider his future while Michael was OS but says Clinton hasn't done anything (pretty hard for Casey to do anything to satisfy Michael when Michael wants him gone). Hutchy says it would be unlikely Clinton gave such an assurance.

Anyway it looks like the petition will be handed in next week. This will according to Hutchy bring the Schwab ticket out into the open although Schwab is supposedly separate to Michael.


 

[mightytiges]

Wallace in big demand
By Caroline Wilson
realfooty.theage.com.au
July 21, 2004

Terry Wallace has emerged as football's most wanted man, with three AFL clubs unofficially canvassing the former Western Bulldogs mentor as their coach for 2005.

While Richmond and Adelaide have unofficially sounded out Wallace, the prospect of him returning to Hawthorn remains a distinct possibility, with the Don Scott push placing the three-time premiership centreman at the top of its priorities to replace Peter Schwab.

Wallace seems to have inadvertently found himself a political pawn at Punt Road also, with football boss Greg Miller last night issuing a plea for stability at Tigerland: "There's so much to do here including most importantly appointing a new coach and I would like a clean run at that."

But Miller's wishes look almost certain to be thwarted by rebel member Michael Pahoff, who last month gained the required 100 signatures to call an extraordinary general meeting and potentially cause a spill of the Clinton Casey board.

Pahoff told The Age last night: "My hands are tied. I'm not going to do anything for a week and, in the meantime, I'm just going to pray that Clinton Casey shows he is ready to hand over the presidency. Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative and Clinton has said he will hand it over to a viable alternative."

While the Schwab push has lost momentum over the past week, Tiger president Casey's former deputy remains likely to challenge the current board with a seven- or eight-member ticket, five of whom were revealed in The Age 11 days ago. Schwab is still finalising his potential list of alternative directors and his supporters scoffed last night at suggestions that the Tigers' search for a new coach was being curtailed by political unrest at the club.

But Miller remained adamant. "Of course, I'd prefer not to have to deal with an EGM and potentially a spill," he said. "It's more than conceivable that this is frustrating the process. There's more than 100 signatures there, and no one knows exactly what is going to happen."

Miller said potential coaches approached by the Tigers all had asked if an election was looming. "Their next question has been: 'Where does that leave us?' "

The two coaching candidates at Tigerland are Wallace and Rodney Eade, with Wallace the preferred choice. While Miller would not comment upon who he had approached, the man with the biggest say in selecting Danny Frawley's replacement has been in contact with Pahoff to try to clarify his position.

And the fickleness of the football landscape has not harmed Wallace's prospects of moving interstate to coach.

Adelaide's past two disappointing losses have not helped interim coach Neil Craig's chances of being reappointed and while he remains the Crows' preferred choice, several Adelaide directors are renewing their lobby for Wallace.

While Scott failed to attend Monday night's Hawthorn board meeting, the former premiership ruckman and club director continues to seek support to overthrow Ian Dicker's board.

Wallace last night insisted that he had not been approached by any rebel group at Hawthorn.

http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/07/20/1090089157456.html

[mightytiges]

Pahoff told The Age last night: "My hands are tied. I'm not going to do anything for a week and, in the meantime, I'm just going to pray that Clinton Casey shows he is ready to hand over the presidency. Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative and Clinton has said he will hand it over to a viable alternative."

How can someone who started the petition process now say his hands are tied  ??? He's the one who will be deciding what the next move is .

Not standing up for Casey but he said he would step aside to who he thinks is a viable alternative not who Michael thinks. Clinton says Brendan doesn't have the time to devote to the job; Brendan said he left the board due to lack of corporate governance. Anyway how can we as members judge who is viable when the alternative ticket hasn't even presented itself let alone its plans for the RFC to us.

Let's hope Miller when he talks to Michael can knock some sense into him.

[mightytiges]

Tigers battle to lure coach
21 July 2004   
Herald Sun

 THE search for Richmond's next coach is being thwarted by the noose held over the club by disgruntled member Michael Pahoff.

The Tigers have interviewed several candidates on a "long list" and all have expressed concern with the political climate.

Who they are, however, the Tigers won't say.

Terry Wallace, Rodney Eade, and Essendon assistant Mark Harvey are yet to be interviewed, while Garry Lyon has already rejected Richmond's overtures.

Richmond's football director Greg Miller, with former AFL coach David Parkin, had hoped to appoint a new coach before season's end and certainly before any EGM.

That has now changed as the off-field saga heads for a showdown.

Pahoff, who arrived back in Australia from the United States on Sunday, said yesterday that Richmond president Clinton Casey had a week to make moves to depart or he would face an extraordinary general meeting.

Pahoff has collected 100 signatures in order to call an EGM and a no-confidence vote in Casey and the board.

Miller said yesterday the political machinations had to be clarified before any announcement was made.

"(An appointment) won't be made for a while because we don't know the situation," Miller said.

"There's been no word if there's going to be an EGM and announcements and ratifications and even the process is all a little bit dependent on that decision.

"I can understand the trepidation of the key candidates not wanting to be involved in anything like that, either.

"They've expressed that, so before I can go further forward, we've got to ascertain what's going to happen or what's not going to happen."

A rival ticket to the board and president Casey is being formed and is to be led by former board member Brendan Schwab.

Their plan of action is understood to be linked with Pahoff's next move.

Miller denied the climate could force the club to miss out on their preferred coach, believed to be either Wallace or Eade.

"I don't think so, it's not that drastic," Miller said.

"Anyone who wants to do the job would want to know who they are going to be working for and what his surrounding team is going to be.

"It's a prudent question for them to ask.

"Who's going to be footy director, who's going to wherever, who knows?

"It's not trepidation they don't want the job.

"So, I'm not saying they won't commit, all I'm saying is it makes the whole process clearer if everyone knew what was happening."

Miller said the first-round interviews were continuing. "All I can say is David and I are having discussions in earnest and that's where we're up to," he said.

Miller also reiterated his belief that any election, or challenge, should wait until the new year.

"I would hope common sense prevails and we have the normal process of an election, which is usually in January," Miller said.

"It's a very important time for the Richmond Football Club and the timing is not right to have any EGM.

"We have so much to do, it would just put us backwards."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10198195%255E19771,00.html

[WilliamPowell]

Pahoff told The Age last night: "My hands are tied. I'm not going to do anything for a week and, in the meantime, I'm just going to pray that Clinton Casey shows he is ready to hand over the presidency. Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative and Clinton has said he will hand it over to a viable alternative."

This is one of the areas where I get really angry. Though this whole thing makes me very very angry

Does Michael know something we don't? How can his hands possible be tied? You started this Michael no one else did - so your hands cannot be tied .

How does he know that Schwab is a viable alternative. It seems to me that for Michael any alternative is a viable alternative. Got a newsflash it doesn't and cannot work like that.. Brendan Schwab has not shown that he is a viable alternative actually at the moment no-one has.

I am not a religous person but I might need to start praying myself.

I'll be praying that we don't lose a quality coach like Wallace because of the actions of few people who claim to have the best interests of the Club at heart but seem to be happily prepared to de-rail (whether it be short or long term) our future.

IMO the most important decision we as Club face at the moment is appointing a new coach - it is paramount - and we need to get the best available person and if we fail in this because of this petition and what possibly goes along with it - then those involved should hang their heads in shame because when it is all said and done it is about the future of the RFC not individuals and their agendas.

[Tiger Spirit]

Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative …

   ??? 

I was going to post the article just for that quote WP.

Because I want to know too, who says Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative.  And on the basis of what? 

On the basis that he’s never been the President of an AFL club, but has been part of a club Board that had no success during his time there?

I can’t help but feel that we are being led up the garden path by someone who has got himself into something that is way over his head.

[tigers80]

I have had a gutfull of these people using this once proud club as their own personal agenda, they have inflated ego's that need stroking well i've got news for them this club belongs to the members and supporters not individuals.
I dont give a stuff who is right or wrong just sort out the s..t so this once powerful club can be
once agained be feared instead of being made a laughing stock of.
There are too many important issues to sort out to be rooting around with petitions and what have you, this applies to the supposedly new tic as well as the current board, obviously they dont have this clubs best interests at heart otherwise they would get in their and do the job.
They way things are going we wont need a coach as we wont have a club, the only person i feel confident in is g.m he wants to get this club firing again as we all do but as long as this stench lingers what hope have we got.
ENUFF IS ENUFF GOD DAMN IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!