Trade week rumours and innuendo

[the claw]

Watch us get beaten again next year by the Dogs, Dees, Blues, Pies, Suns and the like, just because they have the balls to pick up some talent in the trade period and off load some of their players to better position themselves to get the best youth. We will pick up another Conca with pick 12 and probably trade our 30 odd pick away for more crap...

This club...

Well to begin with we were beaten by all of those teams but Carlton this year anyway
Secondly, loosing senior players can send a team backwards in a hurry. In the short term the only side out of all of those that has probably bettered there position for next season is the Suns. Kids do sweet FA to a side for at least 3-4 seasons. What have Carlton done?? Nothing, they have a far worst list than us and have done nothing to improve it.
Melbourne have lost Frawley and gained Gartlet. The loss of an experienced player from the back line leaves them with a massive hole down there, one that can't be fixed short term by a kid.
The bulldogs have lost two senior players in Higgins and Griffen. That's pretty much equivalent to us loosing Cotch and Ellis. How do you think we would fair without those to next season?
At the end of the day short term these clubs are going no where but in saying that we we don't start getting a few later picks right they will all fly past us in 3-4 years time.

losing too many senior players can send sides backwards at a rate of knots. despite the loss of griffen if it happens, hes a player who cant be replaced immediately and will leave a hole and higgins who is an okay type they have plenty enough older types to lead the kids.
imo whengriffen hits f/a stage there is every chance he will go regardless. so it is smart to get the very best that you can now for your club and move on.
the thing about wb is they are know where they are at and are prepared to take a step backwards to hopefully take some big strides fwd in a few yrs.
at richmond we are clinging onto where we are for all we are worth no steps back for us its more like slow strangulation where the air is slowly squeezed out.
im all for missing finalsnext yr and the yr after if it meant a complete and proper rebuild that would enable us to challenge for a flag. we just are not prepared to do  this or even acknowledge the need.

[Dice]

McCartney has been sacked / resigned.
Ryan Griffen to be appointed Captain Coach

[the claw]

Claw reckons doggies traveling well losing captain/coach 24 hours

nope why i bother with people who read what they like into peoples posts is beyond me.
griffen wants out given he wants out and if they got picks 4 and 7 then long term they would come out smelling like roses.
i did say if they somehow eneded up with 4 6 7 26, 27, 28. with their kids they could be the ones who challenge the gcs gws in 3 to 5 yrs time.

the wb were not that far off where we were this yr another middling team but unlike us they continue to go hard at rebuilding

A have to agree with Claw, you could build a premiership side around those picks, providing A. You don't stuff them up and B. the picks are able to stay on the park long term.
Problem is there 4-6 years away from this core group offering sustained impact to the club.

bontompelli 4, macrae 6, stringer 5, these kids in a short space of time are having an impact already 1 and 2 yrs.. these are the exact sort of picks they could end up with if griffen went.
theirr problem is obviously talls and its this area alone that will hold up their rise. of course they could trade for more talls to hasten the process.

[Chuck17]

losing too many senior players can send sides backwards at a rate of knots

Sort of like Lids, Rance and Maric going down roughly together with injury

the thing about wb is they are know where they are at and are prepared to take a step backwards to hopefully take some big strides fwd in a few yrs.

Your talking out of your bum

[Loui Tufga]

Watch us get beaten again next year by the Dogs, Dees, Blues, Pies, Suns and the like, just because they have the balls to pick up some talent in the trade period and off load some of their players to better position themselves to get the best youth. We will pick up another Conca with pick 12 and probably trade our 30 odd pick away for more crap...

This club...

Well to begin with we were beaten by all of those teams but Carlton this year anyway
Secondly, loosing senior players can send a team backwards in a hurry. In the short term that he only side out of all of those that has probably bettered there position for next season is the Suns. Kids do sweet FA to a side for at least 3-4 seasons. What have Carlton done?? Nothing, they have a far worst list than us and have done nothing to improve it.
Melbourne have lost Frawley and gained Gartlet. The loss of an experienced player from the back line leaves them with a massive hole down there, one that can't be fixed short term by a kid.
The bulldogs have lost two senior players in Higgins and Griffen. That's pretty much equivalent to us loosing Cotch and Ellis. How do you think we would fair without those to next season?
At the end of the day short term these clubs are going no where but in saying that we we don't start getting a few later picks right they will all fly past us in 3-4 years time.

Please read my message, that's why I said "AGAIN"!!!!

Wait and see!

Carlton didn't beat us last year??

[Chuck17]

Watch us get beaten again next year by the Dogs, Dees, Blues, Pies, Suns and the like, just because they have the balls to pick up some talent in the trade period and off load some of their players to better position themselves to get the best youth. We will pick up another Conca with pick 12 and probably trade our 30 odd pick away for more crap...

This club...

Well to begin with we were beaten by all of those teams but Carlton this year anyway
Secondly, loosing senior players can send a team backwards in a hurry. In the short term that he only side out of all of those that has probably bettered there position for next season is the Suns. Kids do sweet FA to a side for at least 3-4 seasons. What have Carlton done?? Nothing, they have a far worst list than us and have done nothing to improve it.
Melbourne have lost Frawley and gained Gartlet. The loss of an experienced player from the back line leaves them with a massive hole down there, one that can't be fixed short term by a kid.
The bulldogs have lost two senior players in Higgins and Griffen. That's pretty much equivalent to us loosing Cotch and Ellis. How do you think we would fair without those to next season?
At the end of the day short term these clubs are going no where but in saying that we we don't start getting a few later picks right they will all fly past us in 3-4 years time.

Please read my message, that's why I said "AGAIN"!!!!

Wait and see!

Carlton didn't beat us last year??

Maybe they had a morale victory?

[Rampstar]

all these arguments are for nothing IMHO. the simple truth is we have done nothing to improve our list and our draft picks are not going to deliver anything as they are way too low down the draft order. the club is failing the supporters again to this stage but its always the same, last year they were peddling Hampson as a major get, theyd spent hours and hours and hours researching and planning and the guy cant play for poo. our club is rooted. we have no new players coming in at this stage and our draft picks are crap. there is no short term or medium or even long term planning. Its a bludgers paradise at Punt Road at the moment.

[the claw]

losing too many senior players can send sides backwards at a rate of knots

Sort of like Lids, Rance and Maric going down roughly together with injury

the thing about wb is they are know where they are at and are prepared to take a step backwards to hopefully take some big strides fwd in a few yrs.

Your talking out of your bum

lids maric and rance were just 3 we are supposed to be a contender lol.

more sense comes out of my arse than your mouth.
minson higgins cooney griffen when would we ever shop players like that around. they know exactly where they are at and clearly are prepared to see things thru unlike the rabble we support.

[Phil Mrakov]

all these arguments are for nothing IMHO. the simple truth is we have done nothing to improve our list and our draft picks are not going to deliver anything as they are way too low down the draft order. the club is failing the supporters again to this stage but its always the same, last year they were peddling Hampson as a major get, theyd spent hours and hours and hours researching and planning and the guy cant play for poo. our club is rooted. we have no new players coming in at this stage and our draft picks are crap. there is no short term or medium or even long term planning. Its a bludgers paradise at Punt Road at the moment.

If we has got Gartlett we'd be filling a hole  the small forward role. Would've kicked 40 goals next year and propelled us to top 4  BUT NOOOOOOOOO

[Chuck17]

minson higgins cooney griffen when would we ever shop players like that around. they know exactly where they are at and clearly are prepared to see things thru unlike the rabble we support.

Talk about supporters seeing other teams in rose coloured glasses, although usually it is their own supporters

Minson 29yo past his useful life
Higgins Injury prone
Cooney Broken down

The only difference between them and us is those three have some trade value where our old players dont; Newman etc etc

[eliminator]

all these arguments are for nothing IMHO. the simple truth is we have done nothing to improve our list and our draft picks are not going to deliver anything as they are way too low down the draft order. the club is failing the supporters again to this stage but its always the same, last year they were peddling Hampson as a major get, theyd spent hours and hours and hours researching and planning and the guy cant play for poo. our club is rooted. we have no new players coming in at this stage and our draft picks are crap. there is no short term or medium or even long term planning. Its a bludgers paradise at Punt Road at the moment.

If we has got Gartlett we'd be filling a hole  the small forward role. Would've kicked 40 goals next year and propelled us to top 4  BUT NOOOOOOOOO

Agree should have gone for Gartlett.

[Judge Roughneck]

Our small forwards are below par

[Francois Jackson]

Let's see if we make a play for Grimley

I have never watched him play but we desperately need a back up ruckman let's be honest here

Sign him up ASAP

I agree with 100% that we desperately need a back up Ruckman but the problem with all the Ruckman that are currently looking for trades (Giles, Goriange, Grimley ect) is than none of them want to go to another club to be a "Back Up" Ruckman.
All these guys are leaving to either get more game time or become the #1 Ruckman at the new club.
Unfortunately whole we have Maric it's going to be very hard to entice any out of contract Ruckman to join us.

i couldnt disagree more. Every player wants opportunities and lets face it Maric has 1 or 2 years left at the top, assuming no injuries so IMV can easily be groomed as our no 1 ruckman. All Grimley or any of them need to do is look at the NO 2 ruck which last time i checked we dont have one.

Its all about selling the dream so a player comes. Look at hawks and o'rourke. You work hard and you will be in the team its that simple.

[Willy]

minson higgins cooney griffen when would we ever shop players like that around. they know exactly where they are at and clearly are prepared to see things thru unlike the rabble we support.

Talk about supporters seeing other teams in rose coloured glasses, although usually it is their own supporters

Minson 29yo past his useful life
Higgins Injury prone
Cooney Broken down

The only difference between them and us is those three have some trade value where our old players dont; Newman etc etc

 

Claw's consensus.
Anything other clubs do = masterstroke
Anything our club does = disasterstroke

[Chuck17]

It gets better

A club going places = Western Bulldogs

2008   3rd
2009   3rd
2010   3rd
2011   10th
2012   15th
2013   15th
2014   14th

A poo club going nowhere = RFC

2008   9th   
2009   15th
2010   15th
2011 12th   
2012   12th
2013   5th
2014   8th