Tigers firm on recruiting strategy / Richmond to target draft: Dan Richardson

[big tone]

"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."

Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.

Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs

It should be:  cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca

The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.

Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types

Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.

Only bit of that I agree with is Dimma is a flog. 
Lids and Dusty will not be played behind the ball and Vlastuin will be moved more into the midfield.
And WTF would we want another HBF at pick 12? Pick 12 should never ever be for a flanker.
And lastly our back line isn't soft, it's our most complete section of the ground at the moment.

[Judge Roughneck]

Soft or not overly tough

Houli
Grigg  - wingers/hff spend time playing black line afl=rugby
Elllis

Not good enough kick regularly enough

Morris
Pettard
Bachelor?
Mdea?
Conca?

not enough rebound  / run

Newman


I'd you rewind the tape I think you will find martin and deledio have played back in the recent past. And when the going gets tough lids seems to be moved back as a hard wick masterstroke.

There is a reason this is the case.

Its also my gut feel vlastuin is played their to hold down the fort.ala lidsmk2

Good clubs drafts MIDs and start them hbf beforw the go midfield. Lennon and #12 would hopefully add run and  skills.

[Yeahright]

Hopefully Vlaustin can be a bit Hodge-esque in that we can swing him where we need him and like Hodge has the ability to somewhat play tall and small enough to be effective as a spare man IMO

[Judge Roughneck]

IMO lids=hodge

But you need him mid/fwd, too

Vlastuin-voss

[Penelope]

"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."

Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.

Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs

It should be:  cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca

The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.

Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types

Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.

Only bit of that I agree with is Dimma is a flog. 
Lids and Dusty will not be played behind the ball and Vlastuin will be moved more into the midfield.
And WTF would we want another HBF at pick 12? Pick 12 should never ever be for a flanker.
And lastly our back line isn't soft, it's our most complete section of the ground at the moment.

compare the drive, run, class and poise we get from our half backs  to that of hawthorns. our backline is far from complete, if we ever want to challenge.

[Diocletian]

"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."

Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.

Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs

It should be:  cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca

The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.

Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types

Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.

Only bit of that I agree with is Dimma is a flog. 
Lids and Dusty will not be played behind the ball and Vlastuin will be moved more into the midfield.
And WTF would we want another HBF at pick 12? Pick 12 should never ever be for a flanker.
And lastly our back line isn't soft, it's our most complete section of the ground at the moment.

compare the drive, run, class and poise we get from our half backs  to that of hawthorns. our backline is far from complete, if we ever want to challenge.

That's why I'm hoping we take Harrison Wigg with our second pick if he's still there.

[big tone]

"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."

Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.

Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs

It should be:  cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca

The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.

Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types

Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.

Only bit of that I agree with is Dimma is a flog. 
Lids and Dusty will not be played behind the ball and Vlastuin will be moved more into the midfield.
And WTF would we want another HBF at pick 12? Pick 12 should never ever be for a flanker.
And lastly our back line isn't soft, it's our most complete section of the ground at the moment.

compare the drive, run, class and poise we get from our half backs  to that of hawthorns. our backline is far from complete, if we ever want to challenge.

While you are comparing, compare our forward line set up to theirs.
 I just think our midfield and forward line have many more holes than our back line. I must admit, a Burgoyne or a Suckling would be nice off half back. But I would also say a lot of their run and poise is from their wingman in Hill and Smith.
Not sure of the figures but I did hear somewhere that we conceded less than the Hawthorn back line. They can afford that a bit more than us with the forwards they have. We have Jack and nothing else.
As much as we need more inside mids we also need more mids with pace that can break the lines and deliver it well. Pace, pace and more pace is what we need.

[Penelope]

but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.

the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.

you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.

[big tone]

but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.

the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.

you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.

In no way shape or form is the HBL as important as the midfield. Hence why the best players play in the midfield.

[Penelope]

one statement is simply your opinion and the second is incorrect.

[Judge Roughneck]

but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.

the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.

you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.

In no way shape or form is the HBL as important as the midfield. Hence why the best players play in the midfield.

Wrong.

[Diocletian]

but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.

the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.

you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.

In no way shape or form is the HBL as important as the midfield. Hence why the best players play in the midfield.

Wrong.

Possibly but the game starts in the middle - if the mids do their job, the backline has an easy day, though it could be argued that in the modern game, the half back line, particularly the flankers are often as much a part of the midfield as they are the backline.

[Francois Jackson]

sydney- malcevski, mcveigh, shaw, smith

hawks-burgoyne, suckling, birchall

cats- enright, taylor, bartel, mackie

These guys were premiership winning half back players.

compare that to our half back line

newman, batch, dea, morris, houli, ellis,

The rest not even worth mentioning.

Half back line has next to no class lets be honest. Rance is a stopper and an excellent one.

[Judge Roughneck]

Rance rebounds well. Got rutten covered.

The above post unfortunately illustrates why one or more of deledio / martin / Lennon / vlastuin, should play back. otherwise the lack of toughnees and skill is often exposed.

Which is a shame as ideally these players would be middle/forward hitting the scoreboard.

[big tone]

one statement is simply your opinion and the second is incorrect.

Yes Al it's only my opinion but also that of all coaches in the AFL. The best players play in the middle. Twist it however you like, but it's a fact.
 Not to say good players don't play across half back, they do but the stars of the game play in the middle.
Cotch, Dangerfield, Ablett, Pendlebery, Mitchell, Fyfe, Kennedy, Boak, Selwood, Johnson, Beams, just to name a few.
So I ask you, what part of my statement is incorrect?.... This will be good