A lost generation - Why do we nearly always fail after our 1st draft selection?

[the claw]

It's all relative, bottom line is we rebuilt during compromised drafts and have made finals in the last two years with a core of stars that are still young.

We could have done better and we could have done worse.

we could and should have done much better. and no it cant get much worse even the first round picks are over rated or failures.
in the ops time frame from 04 to this draft our 1st round picks have gone.
deledio #1, pass couldnt really get it wrong could ya.
tambling #4 an utter failure.
meyer #12 another utter failure
pattison #16 geezus h Geez.
jon #8 utter failure
riewoldt #13 pass and a good pick
cotchin #2 pass but if he got this one wrong he would have been sacked on the spot one of two standouts.
rance #18 pass .
vickery #8 imo not worthy of a top 10 pick and is borderline as to weather he will even make it, fail.
martin #3 pass was one of 4 outstanding players melbourne took 2 which left jackson to pick between 2 players.
conca #6 not a top 10 player and looks quite average.for such an early pick and for overlooking the obvious fail.
ellis #15 pass though i have issues with the way he plays but thats just me.
vlastuin #9 pass atm  but would not want the 2nd yr blues to continue. too early to call atm.
lennon #12 just one season hasnt shown a hell of a lot but way too early to call
ellis #12 too early to call.

thats 15 first rounders and to date i can only give em a tick on 7 of em.

people wonder why have gone the retread path so much well we are forced to because we just dont find enough good players in the nd.

finally there is absolutely nothing to hang the hat on by scraping into finals and getting belted or capitulating. 7th thru 12th means you are a middling team weather you scrape into finals or not.
its not a huge step to go from middling to bottom side just look at us over the yrs.

[yellowandback]

Claw, I'm not sure why you're looking back to 2004 or 2005.
FJ joined in 2006 and so let's look from then.
We go from 15 picks to 10.
Now let's remove this years draft and last years due to unproven time frame (your logic not mine).
That's 8 picks and 6 ticks with the other 2 not broken yet.
I'd also like to add that there are 2 AA reps with another 2 who made the final 40 and Rance, Cotchin, Dusty have been prominent in our B&F with Ellis and Rance featuring this year.
Not bad in a comp with 800 players.

[tdy]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/late-picks-more-important-than-first-rounders-in-longterm-success-says-draft-data-20141129-11v9ea.html

The real test of a recruiter is the 2nd and 3rd rounds up to pick 40 or so. 

We didnt take a second rnd pick last year thats a worry.

[the claw]

Claw, I'm not sure why you're looking back to 2004 or 2005.
FJ joined in 2006 and so let's look from then.
We go from 15 picks to 10.
Now let's remove this years draft and last years due to unproven time frame (your logic not mine).
That's 8 picks and 6 ticks with the other 2 not broken yet.
I'd also like to add that there are 2 AA reps with another 2 who made the final 40 and Rance, Cotchin, Dusty have been prominent in our B&F with Ellis and Rance featuring this year.
Not bad in a comp with 800 players.

your not sure why i went back to 04. you only need read the opening paragraph. the op set out the time frame i just commented on it.
oh fj joined in 05 by the way. he may have only done the job part time but was one of the two in charge. he was bought in to give miller a hand and i know for fact jon was taken over varcoe on jacksons say. but hey jackson was only doing the job part time so it doesnt really count eh. i wonder, one  of just two tecruiters  but no responsibility eh. greg miller was dalso doing the job part time amongst the many other roles he was doing yet he cops the whole blame.

by the way i reckon this reporter has taken my thunder.
ive argued long and hard for many yrs that jacksons record is pee poor when it comes to 2nd and 3 rd rounders. not so long ago on here  i even used the cats and its 2nd 3rd rnd picks as an example of why we fail and clubs like geelong have been so successful.
percentages or no percentages the next best place to find good to very good and even sometimes elite players is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
if of the top of my head i remember correctly geelongs premiership sides had something like 12 or 14 players taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
we have  traded away some  2nd and 3rd rnd picks.  42 a few times on houli and thompson.  37 for maric worked ouit,  28 for hampson  but in the main we have kept em and got em wrong.

[Judge Roughneck]

2008  ---->.  Taylor Hunt.


 

[WilliamPowell]

he was bought in to give miller a hand and i know for fact jon was taken over varcoe on jacksons say.

And I know for fact that the above FACT is absolutely incorrect

So I think it is fair to say that someone's "FACT" is wrong 

[Francois Jackson]

Part of that is the compromised drafts

please

[Owl]

he was bought in to give miller a hand and i know for fact jon was taken over varcoe on jacksons say.

And I know for fact that the above FACT is absolutely incorrect

So I think it is fair to say that someone's "FACT" is wrong 

MYTH BUSTED!

[Chuck17]

he was bought in to give miller a hand and i know for fact jon was taken over varcoe on jacksons say.

And I know for fact that the above FACT is absolutely incorrect

So I think it is fair to say that someone's "FACT" is wrong 

MYTH BUSTED!

End of story

[Judge Roughneck]

Part of that is the compromised drafts

please

Do the expansion clubs not exist?

[Yeahright]

he was bought in to give miller a hand and i know for fact jon was taken over varcoe on jacksons say.

And I know for fact that the above FACT is absolutely incorrect

So I think it is fair to say that someone's "FACT" is wrong 

Someone is wrong and it's time to put up or shut up about how you "know the facts"

[Judge Roughneck]

1   8   Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls   East Perth   Richmond
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1   13   Shannon Hurn   Central District   West Coast
1   14   Grant Birchall   Tassie Mariners   Hawthorn
1   15   Travis Varcoe   Central District   Geelong


thats the facts

is someone fault and certainly not mine

i almost had a heart attack they didnt take hurn. i spose why would we need someone that can hit a dime 70 meters away

[Chuck17]

Actually JON is a stand out in that draft, it must have been all about the X factor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_AFL_draft



1   Marc Murphy   Oakleigh Chargers   Carlton
Priority   2   Dale Thomas   Gippsland Power   Collingwood
Priority   3   Xavier Ellis   Gippsland Power   Hawthorn
1   4   Josh Kennedy   East Fremantle   Carlton
1   5   Scott Pendlebury   Gippsland Power   Collingwood
1   6   Beau Dowler   Oakleigh Chargers   Hawthorn
1   7   Patrick Ryder   East Fremantle   Essendon
1   8   Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls   East Perth   Richmond
1   9   Mitchell Clark   East Fremantle   Brisbane Lions
1   10   Marcus Drum   Murray Bushrangers   Fremantle
1   11   Shaun Higgins   Geelong Falcons   Western Bulldogs
1   12   Nathan Jones   Dandenong Stingrays   Melbourne
1   13   Shannon Hurn   Central District   West Coast
1   14   Grant Birchall   Tassie Mariners   Hawthorn
1   15   Travis Varcoe   Central District   Geelong
1   16   Richard Douglas   Calder Cannons   Adelaide
1   17   Darren Pfeiffer   Norwood   Adelaide
1   18   Max Bailey   West Perth   Hawthorn
1   19   Courtenay Dempsey   Morningside   Essendon
2   20   Paul Bower   Peel Thunder   Carlton

[tigs2011]

There was a worse player taken before JON in that draft. Didn't think that was possible. 

The team that made that pick hasn't been hindered by it and have made great use of later picks. Without looking probably nailed later picks that very draft.

[camboon]

Just goes to show that your recruiters are the most important people in a club and that everyone is 100% correct in hindsight