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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2015, 07:38:26 AM »
Watch Moore become another walk up start, play every game and then get a two year extension....just like Hunt...oh look... he plays an important role , you don't go at pick 9 in your draft year if you don't have talent, he's a quality player but more importantly, he's a quality bloke ...

Another dud brought in for depth who ends up being first 22, while the kids "develop" with the bush leaguers we recruit for our VFL side.

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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2015, 09:10:59 AM »
Moore said in a interview that Hardwick told him he was there to play AFL football.....already pecilled in....might as well take the pre-season off....


I suspect all players are told they are expected to play AFL level. Why recruit a player and tell him he will be great for the VFL  :P

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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2015, 11:44:41 AM »
Seems as though we've been trying to inject the list with some genuine leg speed over the past two draft periods.
Targeting kids that have tested at the pointy end of the 30m repeat sprints.

2014:
Nathan Drummond    23.95
Oleg Markov              24.14
Connor Menadue      24.14

2015:
Nathan Broad 24.04
Daniel Rioli - 24.15
Mabior Chol - 24.30
Oleg Markov - 24.32

Interesting that we took the 4 fastest kids in the repeat sprints this year & 2 of the top 7 last year with Markov testing 6th fastest in 2014.
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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2015, 01:48:35 PM »
Draft was ok, Rioli might be a reach but he addressed an urgent need , was easily the best small forward still on the board and arguably has the highest ceiling of any player in the draft...of course whether or not he ever hits that ceiling is another matter .....Hackson still overlooks the obvious with later picks though IMO - Ben Crocker was a must a pick 50 was staggered he lasted until 65...(so yes we weren't the only ones who overlooked him - difference is Hackson seems to do it every year)Hartley and Glass-McCasker, even though the latter didn't get picked up , the same with pick 67...he went first pick in the rookie draft anyway...suspect Broad would've still been there at our first rookie pick ....our cause isn't helped by our failure to trade back into the draft...there was some highly rated sliders this year....Collins, Dunkley, Hardwick , Balic would've been nice (assuming FJ noticed them)...even Hospital Mathieson, who I was dead against taking at pick 12 would've been a good get in the late 30's....

As for trading & recruiting - focused way too much time on chasing Yarran which hamstrung us in making other deals...and we still seem to recruit as if we're a bottom 4 side, rather than a side supposedly challenging for the Top 4. Looking forward to the day we have list managers who aren't obsessed with Port & their rejects.
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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2015, 02:31:49 PM »
Draft was ok, Rioli might be a reach but he addressed an urgent need , was easily the best small forward still on the board and arguably has the highest ceiling of any player in the draft...of course whether or not he ever hits that ceiling is another matter .....Hackson still overlooks the obvious with later picks though IMO - Ben Crocker was a must a pick 50 was staggered he lasted until 65...(so yes we weren't the only ones who overlooked him - difference is Hackson seems to do it every year)Hartley and Glass-McCasker, even though the latter didn't get picked up , the same with pick 67...he went first pick in the rookie draft anyway...suspect Broad would've still been there at our first rookie pick ....our cause isn't helped by our failure to trade back into the draft...there was some highly rated sliders this year....Collins, Dunkley, Hardwick , Balic would've been nice (assuming FJ noticed them)...even Hospital Mathieson, who I was dead against taking at pick 12 would've been a good get in the late 30's....

As for trading & recruiting - focused way too much time on chasing Yarran which hamstrung us in making other deals...and we still seem to recruit as if we're a bottom 4 side, rather than a side supposedly challenging for the Top 4. Looking forward to the day we have list managers who aren't obsessed with Port & their rejects.


Who would you have traded to get back into the draft to then draft a spud like Mathieson? Crocker looks good but happy taking Markov and Broad. Dunkley was interesting as when i watched him play his pace and kicking looked to be a major concern. Dunkley would be the worst kick on any list but he does get the contested ball and gets to the right spots during games. I like to diversity of our selections and cant wait to watch Rioli put on a show!

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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2015, 02:43:31 PM »
I'm pretty sure we could've found some expendable players to package up....that's where good list managers earn their keep...but apart from that, in this draft all we had to do was bundle up late picks to get an earlier pick from the Northern clubs who needed the points for their academy kids.

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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2015, 06:29:30 PM »
Only pick up I have a real issue with is Moore A.

Too early to make calls on the kids drafted but happy with the type of players we drafted

Really happy with Rioli and Broad

Think Townsend could be a really good pick up for what he cost us

Yarran gets his head and attitude right then he have a gun, we get the "bad" Yarran the obviously it will turns into a shocker. Reckon in 2016 we get option 1

Also happy to bring in another VFL player as rookie
Agree with these comments. The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list. He is also only on a one year contract. He must produce or he is out. I don't mind that at all.

Agree with this, in fact the last 2 drafts have been more considered choices.
This draft has been a really interesting crop
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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2015, 01:35:57 AM »
Watch Moore become a walk up start, play every game and then get a two year extension....just like Hunt...oh look... he plays an important role , you don't go at pick 9 in your draft year if you don't have talent, he's a quality player but more importantly, he's a quality bloke ...
Dimma will have only himself to blame if he gifts games to players that do not deserve them. It is his head that will be on the chopping block. Just hope the club doesn't give him an extension till he has shown that he can get us past the first week in September. :pray
LOL he will get a two year extension before the start of the year bank on it.
Besides it is high time the ressies started to perform and put some real pressure on those senior duds.If we are to improve 4 or 5 of the following have to force their way into the team

FB/   Batchelor - Astbury - Morris
HB/ Castagna - Elton - Broad.
C/   Drummond - Lambert - Menadue
HF/ Markov - McBean - Rioli
FF/ Lloyd - McKenzie -  C Moore
R/  Hampson - A Moore - Conca
INT/ Hunt - Marcon - Short - Chol - Soldo.

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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2015, 12:50:34 PM »
Yeah McBean will need to start showing something ...

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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2015, 01:33:48 PM »
Needs to win the VFL goalkicking outright this time and by at least a 10 goal margin....
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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2015, 01:46:31 PM »
He probably needs to start taking more contested marks.
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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2015, 04:36:10 PM »
The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list.

So he took up a rookies spot on the list but instead of paying him a rookie player wage of peanuts we have to pay him (at least) the minimum wage of a player on the list proper.

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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2015, 04:45:52 PM »
He probably needs to start taking more contested marks.

Not letting his man run off him would help too

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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2015, 04:48:26 PM »
The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list.

So he took up a rookies spot on the list but instead of paying him a rookie player wage of peanuts we have to pay him (at least) the minimum wage of a player on the list proper.
So what? It will hardly make a difference to our bottom line. There is no use waiting for an injury if the team feels that his big body (Tuck/Jackson) is what is missing. Once you elevate him from rookie you have to pay him the minimum wage anyway.  So I take the opposite view. Why waste a rookie pick on someone you think will fill a much needed hole? We need that person in the senior team.
Whether you think he fills the hole is another story. The coaching group think so and last time I looked they made the selections.
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Re: How did you rate our whole trade/draft period?
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2015, 07:56:02 PM »
The only thing that you have to keep in mind is Andrew Moore cost us nothing. Zero, zilch. Only his wage. They even expanded the list to 39 for him so he didn't even cost us a place on the list.

So he took up a rookies spot on the list but instead of paying him a rookie player wage of peanuts we have to pay him (at least) the minimum wage of a player on the list proper.
So what? It will hardly make a difference to our bottom line. There is no use waiting for an injury if the team feels that his big body (Tuck/Jackson) is what is missing. Once you elevate him from rookie you have to pay him the minimum wage anyway.  So I take the opposite view. Why waste a rookie pick on someone you think will fill a much needed hole? We need that person in the senior team.
Whether you think he fills the hole is another story. The coaching group think so and last time I looked they made the selections.

No so what, just pointing out that saying he didn't even take up a spot on the list is pure BS. I also thought Townsend was recruited to fill that hole