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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2016, 11:33:03 AM »
It's an aboriginal curse!

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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2016, 12:17:10 PM »
Seeing as we can't sack the whole list, let's start with the board.....then out all the Shitmen on notice too.
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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2016, 02:22:06 PM »
Stability is a "joke" word on this forum .

But the reason why the Tigers have been an embarrassment for 3 decades is rampant instability. At least the current regime is doing its best to rectify this - even if its with a coach who has lost the support of the tiger faithful.

Maybe it all started when Tommy Hafey left the club .....who bloody  knows.

The club should never have sacked TJ in 1981 - could you imagine Hawthorn sacking Clarkson in 2009 for missing the finals .

Richmond probably would of won the grand final in 1982 had Tony Jewell been coach. We were two goals up at half time .

Instead TJ was replaced by Francis Burke who was a recently retired champion player with no coaching experience.....Imagine Newy coaching us now. Burke got many of his former team mates off side with his condecending coaching style.....especially the senior players.

Then in 1983 the club let walk its captain from 1981 , the captain from 1982 and a triple B&F winner.

What happened between Richmond and Collingwood that year with the poaching of players definitely led to financial instability at the club . 7 years later the club was rattling tins and was a charity case .

Poor old KB never had a chance by the time he became coach . Richmond was so under resourced it didn't even own a brench press back then . Bartlett had to buy sporting equipment for the club out of his own pocket.

By the time the game went truly national in the early 90s we were so far off the pace it wasn't funny .
No way we could compete against interstate juggernauts like West Coast or Adelaide.

Against the odds the club looked like it was headed somewhere in the mid 90s .Finally we were playing a brand of football which made us proud plus we has a young superstar called Matthew Richardson who could be anything.
John Northy who had a year to go on his contract asked for an extension. Not unreasonable - especially in this day and age where Dimma gets a 2 year extension after losing 3 elimination finals in a row.

The club said no and Swooper walked . Richmond replaces its most successful coach in over a decade with a coach who had to be talked out of retirement.

I always wonder how the Tigers would of gone in 1996 had Northey still remained as coach .....better than 9th I would suggest.

Even last decade the club was still well behind the elite clubs with money spent on football departments , player development , recruiting etc . Club just did not have the money to compete with the big boys .

Say what you will about the current administration but Benny Gale has always said there is a correlation between on field success and money spend on football department. At least we have a club now that is debt free and has  state of the art facilities.
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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2016, 02:42:50 PM »
I don't buy the under resourced excuse. North was probably the worst resourced club during those years and was always competitive. It even won a flag. Getting a group of players playing for each other and a good coach doesn't need mega millions. It just requires the right men.
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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2016, 03:05:57 PM »
Stability is a "joke" word on this forum .

But the reason why the Tigers have been an embarrassment for 3 decades is rampant instability. At least the current regime is doing its best to rectify this - even if its with a coach who has lost the support of the tiger faithful.

Maybe it all started when Tommy Hafey left the club .....who bloody  knows.

The club should never have sacked TJ in 1981 - could you imagine Hawthorn sacking Clarkson in 2009 for missing the finals .

Richmond probably would of won the grand final in 1982 had Tony Jewell been coach. We were two goals up at half time .

Instead TJ was replaced by Francis Burke who was a recently retired champion player with no coaching experience.....Imagine Newy coaching us now. Burke got many of his former team mates off side with his condecending coaching style.....especially the senior players.

Then in 1983 the club let walk its captain from 1981 , the captain from 1982 and a triple B&F winner.

What happened between Richmond and Collingwood that year with the poaching of players definitely led to financial instability at the club . 7 years later the club was rattling tins and was a charity case .

Poor old KB never had a chance by the time he became coach . Richmond was so under resourced it didn't even own a brench press back then . Bartlett had to buy sporting equipment for the club out of his own pocket.

By the time the game went truly national in the early 90s we were so far off the pace it wasn't funny .
No way we could compete against interstate juggernauts like West Coast or Adelaide.

Against the odds the club looked like it was headed somewhere in the mid 90s .Finally we were playing a brand of football which made us proud plus we has a young superstar called Matthew Richardson who could be anything.
John Northy who had a year to go on his contract asked for an extension. Not unreasonable - especially in this day and age where Dimma gets a 2 year extension after losing 3 elimination finals in a row.

The club said no and Swooper walked . Richmond replaces its most successful coach in over a decade with a coach who had to be talked out of retirement.

I always wonder how the Tigers would of gone in 1996 had Northey still remained as coach .....better than 9th I would suggest.

Even last decade the club was still well behind the elite clubs with money spent on football departments , player development , recruiting etc . Club just did not have the money to compete with the big boys .

Say what you will about the current administration but Benny Gale has always said there is a correlation between on field success and money spend on football department. At least we have a club now that is debt free and has  state of the art facilities.

You raise some good points Mat, I'm particularly in agreeance with you regarding the whole Northey fiasco. Going back into that point in        our history when the wheels conclusively fell off (early 1980's) though, rather than not sacking TJ (which is also an interesting "what if"), I find myself being haunted by another hypothetical question; "what if we'd had the foresight to talk Kevin Sheedy into staying on as senior coach"? Now I know a lot of you will probably be saying this is ancient history and has no bearing on where we find ourselves as a club today. But if Sheeds had carved out the kind of 20year dynasty with us that he did at Essendon, I dare say we could have had a seamless transition from our Hafey era into a powerhouse in the era of the national game. As such we would be a much different entity to the apologetic, dithering, scared of success  mess of a club we currently are.
Mat, on your last point about the correlation between on field success and the money spent on the football department, I would say that all logic and common sense would suggest that this must be right. However, in recent years since we started recording healthy profits, haven't we been allocating more and more resources into our football department with little or no success? If so, is there something else holding us back from getting the desired results? Is it a cultural shortcoming or just plain  bad luck that we always seem to appoint the wrong coaches, the wrong recruiters and the wrong players? I don't have a definitive answer, but I'm keen to hear what other think.

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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2016, 04:50:37 PM »
Very simple answer to the question

The reason is because we the fans accept mediocrity

We have very very low standards

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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2016, 05:08:01 PM »
Very simple answer to the question

The reason is because we the fans accept mediocrity

We have very very low standards

You have that right, you can just see how some back Hampson, Hunt and Grigg to understand that is the god honest truth

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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2016, 05:08:50 PM »
Interesting comments Rolls Royce - especially about Kevin Sheedy . The culture of Richmond at the time was if you didn't make finals ....you were gone . It was all about a quick fix .

Would Sheedy have survived a year like 1983 if he was coach of Richmond ?

For me 1981 sounds like a real sliding doors moment for Richmond.  The tigers were in the 5 with 2 rounds to go .
We lose to Collingwood  ( minor premiers ) by 5 points ) - after being up at 3/4 time .
We miss finals by a bees diaphragm. 

That loss to Collingwood could of stopped a possible  threepeat ......you never know.

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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2016, 06:41:51 PM »
Very simple answer to the question

The reason is because we the fans accept mediocrity

We have very very low standards

You have that right, you can just see how some back Hampson, Hunt and Grigg to understand that is the god honest truth

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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2016, 08:08:59 PM »
...and now we're the only side outside GWS & Gold Coast that hasn't made a GF since 1982.... :clapping :gotigers :clapping
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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2016, 08:28:38 PM »
...and now we're the only side outside GWS & Gold Coast that hasn't made a GF since 1982.... :clapping :gotigers :clapping
Puts to bed the excuse that lack of money was/is the reason we've failed as a footy club. While it was major reason from the mid-80s to mid-90s, it doesn't explain the past 20 years of ineptitude. Clubs with less money and far smaller membership and supporter base regularly rising up, falling back to rebuild and then rising again to challenge while we consistently remain in mediocrity limbo land.
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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2016, 08:33:57 PM »
...and now we're the only side outside GWS & Gold Coast that hasn't made a GF since 1982.... :clapping :gotigers :clapping

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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2016, 08:34:19 PM »
We also over rate our players even when we're poo. Remember kb's mosquito fleet. They were alot of average or wed have been killing it in the middle but we didn't.
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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2016, 08:51:48 PM »
Well picking poo coaches is by far the biggest reason, then you have the nuff nuffs who picked these
3rd rate coaches followed close behind by our list managers and recruiters.


I have that the other way round bad recruiters then coaches but the coach has a hand in recruiting decisions so it's them too.

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Re: Philosophical question:- Why are we perpetually poo?
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2016, 09:12:26 PM »
Stability is a "joke" word on this forum .

But the reason why the Tigers have been an embarrassment for 3 decades is rampant instability. At least the current regime is doing its best to rectify this - even if its with a coach who has lost the support of the tiger faithful.

Maybe it all started when Tommy Hafey left the club .....who bloody  knows.

The club should never have sacked TJ in 1981 - could you imagine Hawthorn sacking Clarkson in 2009 for missing the finals .

Richmond probably would of won the grand final in 1982 had Tony Jewell been coach. We were two goals up at half time .

Instead TJ was replaced by Francis Burke who was a recently retired champion player with no coaching experience.....Imagine Newy coaching us now. Burke got many of his former team mates off side with his condecending coaching style.....especially the senior players.

Then in 1983 the club let walk its captain from 1981 , the captain from 1982 and a triple B&F winner.

What happened between Richmond and Collingwood that year with the poaching of players definitely led to financial instability at the club . 7 years later the club was rattling tins and was a charity case .

Poor old KB never had a chance by the time he became coach . Richmond was so under resourced it didn't even own a brench press back then . Bartlett had to buy sporting equipment for the club out of his own pocket.

By the time the game went truly national in the early 90s we were so far off the pace it wasn't funny .
No way we could compete against interstate juggernauts like West Coast or Adelaide.

Against the odds the club looked like it was headed somewhere in the mid 90s .Finally we were playing a brand of football which made us proud plus we has a young superstar called Matthew Richardson who could be anything.
John Northy who had a year to go on his contract asked for an extension. Not unreasonable - especially in this day and age where Dimma gets a 2 year extension after losing 3 elimination finals in a row.

The club said no and Swooper walked . Richmond replaces its most successful coach in over a decade with a coach who had to be talked out of retirement.

I always wonder how the Tigers would of gone in 1996 had Northey still remained as coach .....better than 9th I would suggest.

Even last decade the club was still well behind the elite clubs with money spent on football departments , player development , recruiting etc . Club just did not have the money to compete with the big boys .

Say what you will about the current administration but Benny Gale has always said there is a correlation between on field success and money spend on football department. At least we have a club now that is debt free and has  state of the art facilities.
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