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'Tiger-mania' tipped to attract huge MCG crowd for Preliminary Final (Age)
« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2017, 07:11:14 PM »
'Tiger-mania' tipped to attract huge MCG crowd for Richmond vs GWS preliminary final

Anthony Colangelo
The Age
SEPTEMBER 17 2017 - 6:42PM



Richmond are set to play in front of more than 90,000 people for the second time in as many matches as the MCG braces for Tiger-mania in Saturday's preliminary final.

The Tigers played in front of 95,028 people in their qualifying final two weeks ago against Geelong - their first finals win since 2001 - and will on Saturday face the Greater Western Sydney Giants for a spot in their first grand final since their loss to Carlton in 1982.

And while Richmond fans significantly outnumbered Geelong fans at the MCG earlier in September, Melbourne's sporting colosseum will be even more parochial this time around with officials at the Giants don't "expect many fans" will make the trip to Victoria from New South Wales.

The biggest crowd the Giants have ever played in front of is 60,222 in their 2016 qualifying final win over Sydney at ANZ Stadium. However GWS wilted under the pressure of the Adelaide Oval's 52,805 crowd during the 2017 qualifying final loss to the Crows. Coach Leon Cameron is adamant his side won't be spooked.

"We've won games in Perth this year. We've won games in places that no doubt the crowd is bigger than our home crowds," Cameron said. "But I think our guys are absolutely itching to get to the MCG.

"I can't see our players worrying about the enormous amount of support that the opposition will have because I know a lot of these guys are just born to play on the MCG in finals. I reckon they're ready to go."

The Giants have lost four of their last five games at the MCG. Their last win was a 64 point triumph over Melbourne in 2014. They were beaten by Richmond in a wet second half in round 18 this year, losing by 19 points.

Only 14,865 people turned out to Spotless Stadium to watch the Giants trounce West Coast in Saturday night's semi final despite the club having just over 20,000 members. About 3,000 of those were Eagles fans who had travelled from Perth.

Richmond midfielder Josh Caddy told Channel Seven's Game Day program on Sunday morning that the Tigers were comfortable with the hype engulfing Melbourne.

"We have heaps of supporters and it's been a long time since they've been in this position ... we believe we are better off embracing it (the hype) and using the wave of emotion to our advantage."

Given the lack of GWS fans all Richmond members should be able to secure a ticket one way or another (either through sales to members or to the general public) while the overall crowd figure will depend, as is often the case at the MCG, on how many MCC members turn up.

In 2007 for the preliminary final between Geelong and Collingwood MCC members were turned away at the gate because the area had reached capacity. The crowd that night was a whopping 98,002. This was higher than other recent preliminary finals featuring big Melbourne clubs like Collingwood vs Hawthorn in 2011 (87,112) , Collingwood vs Geelong in 2010 (95,241), Collingwood vs Geelong in 2009 (87,258) and even Anzac Day in 2013 which attracted 93,373 fans.

Crowds gathered to queue outside the MCC five hours before bounce of the Geelong vs Richmond qualifying final two weeks ago, and it is expected that there will be similar scenes on Saturday, so fans are urged to arrive early to be inside the stadium by 4:45pm.

The game is being played in the twilight timeslot so GWS can make a flight back to Sydney as early as possible should they win and advance to the grand final.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigermania-tipped-to-attract-huge-mcg-crowd-for-richmond-vs-gws-preliminary-final-20170917-gyj836.html

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This is a left field statement, but I would bring Moore in for Castagna..

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Yeah not with GWS going small now I wouldn't...

...losing Mumford & Cameron blessings in disguse for them.... :shh
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...losing Mumford & Cameron blessings in disguse for them.... :shh

Agreed.

Don't know why they were going so tall through the season.

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Lol ....how much defensive pressure will Stevie J apply next week or Patton . Ball will be flying out .
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This is a left field statement, but I would bring Moore in for Castagna..

Moore is rookie and can't be promoted so cannot play
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This is a left field statement, but I would bring Moore in for Castagna..

Moore is rookie and cant be promoted so cannot play

Statement needs to be recategorised as out of field

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Will the Tiger train continue to run? (Adelaide Advertiser)
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2017, 03:15:47 AM »
Will the Tiger train continue to run?

Michelangelo Rucci,
The Advertiser
18 September 2017


THE Advertiser’s Chief Football Writer Michelangelo Rucci takes a look at the giant task awaiting GWS against the Richmond at the MCG on Saturday.

PRELIMINARY FINAL

Richmond v GWS

MCG, Saturday, 4.15pm

RICHMOND

1. CAN THEY?


IT is the most-fascinating football - and life - story of the day: Richmond on the eve of its first AFL grand final since 1982.

This is the Tigers’ first preliminary final since 2001 (against Brisbane at the Gabba) and first preliminary final at the MCG since 1973 (a win against Collingwood in front of 98,652 fans).

Just a month ago, the key question was: Would Richmond win a final, after the recent elimination final failures?

Now the Tigers are one win from a grand final - and ending the longest absence from the “big dance”.

So there are still those questions of whether Richmond can be trusted ... and how do the Tigers deal with the burden of expectation and the look from those 90,000 faces in the crowd with that look that can make footballers freeze.

And didn’t Giants captain Phil Davis take up the opportunity - in the post-match on Saturday night - to remind the Richmond players of that expectation by noting: “There’s been 10 pages a day on Richmond down there (in Melbourne).”

2. CHAMPION TEAM?

RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick will have noted the stark difference in the Greater Western Sydney finals performances against Adelaide in the qualifying final and a flat West Coast in the semi-finals:

The Giants love time and space. And, as has been well known, they do have many champion players who are still to prove they assemble as a champion team.

Hardwick has rebuilt Richmond with a sound defence around All-Australian captain Alex Rance, strengthened the Tigers midfield by adding significant “role” players around Brownlow Medallist Trent Cotchin and Brownlow Medal favourite Dustin Martin and created an intriguing attack with one main target in Jack Riewoldt and a squad of not-so-tall options who savour direct movement to the goalfront.

But is it enough to stand as the champion team of the season.

MEDICAL ROOM

N. Drummond (knee) season


THE ODDS

MATCH

Richmond $1.62

GWS $2.30

FLAG

Richmond $3

GWS $5.25


GWS GIANTS

1. ARE THEY GIANTS?

IT was a nice refresher course for the Giants as Greater Western Sydney danced through a “training drill” in the semi-final against an exhausted West Coast unit at Spotless Stadium in west Sydney on Saturday night.

But now it is to the MCG with 90,000 or more Richmond fans wanting to make the Giants appear very small.

The biggest “away” crowd outside of Sydney for the Giants players is the 52,305 at Adelaide Oval during the qualifying final played a fortnight ago - although the manic nature of the Crows players was more telling than crowd.

But this is the MCG - and it is the Richmond crowd.

Giants captain Phil Davis says his team is well-adjusted to dealing with hostile crowd - and well versed on taking crowds out of the game by setting the agenda on the field.

The MCG is often described as a field with “too much space” - that leads to visiting teams playing too wide. It will be a grand test of the Giants who have just one win in 10 games at the MCG - against Melbourne in August 2014.

The biggest crowd the Giants have faced at the MCG was 43,390 in the clash with Collingwood in June 2015.

2. STEVIE J ENCORE?

HE returned - and Steve Johnson proved, with his six goals against West Coast in the semi-finals, that there is still something left in those 34-year-old legs.

And, after missing last year’s home preliminary final against the Western Bulldogs by suspension, there is that extra edge of motivation as Stevie J holds onto that one last chance to add to his grand final record with Geelong with whom he won three premierships (2007, 2009 and 2011).

The Giants set-up is significantly different from the qualifying final by the loss by injury of ruckman Shane Mumford and key forward Jeremy Cameron.

The move of Rory Lobb to ruck and the reshape of the GWS attack around Jonathon Patton certainly paid off against the Eagles, particularly with the Giants rediscovering fast run from the outside of the contest.

Keeping such free ball movement would make the MCG become a very, very quiet place.

MEDICAL ROOM

M. Buntine (knee) season

J. Cameron (hamstring) season

A. Kennedy (knee) season

S. Mumford (foot) season


EARLY CALL

TIGERS by 17 points

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/will-richmond-steam-into-first-grand-final-since-1982/news-story/eb370618b1f40da8e18de4cac42b912c

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From today's Age

Michael Gleeson
18 September 2017


Deledio will no doubt play back again. He looked better there and it released Williams to play as a mid-forward. That had as big an effect as anything in the improved Giants ball movement and forward set-up.

Williams, like Deledio, has pace but Williams has a dancer's feet. Deledio, while fast, is a straight-line runner. He can run a diagonal but not with the light craftiness of Williams.

Ideally, this Saturday you want to see Deledio on Dustin Martin one out in the goal square at the Punt Road end, competing in front of a vocal yellow and black army. It's doubtful that will happen.

While Martin would be too strong for Deledio, the Giants would in any event not want Deledio deep in defence. When he plays behind the ball he plays high half-back, while Martin, when he is forward, tends to play deep in attack.

With Deledio, Leon Cameron, Wayne Campbell (football manager) and Craig Cameron (list manager), the Giants have a solid quartet of former Tigers for whom this match will carry extra sentiment.

The Giants lost last year's preliminary final against the Bulldogs in what was a confrontingly hostile home environment. And that was the Bulldogs at Spotless Stadium! Quite how they will then cope with a frothing 80 to 90,000 at the MCG is anyone's idea.

The Giants will hope the crowd creates a perverse pressure on Richmond, that it lifts the expectation. It is a thin hope.

For all the Giants' draft picks, this Richmond side has three star players superior in talent to anything the Giants have on this year's form. The Giants do not have an equal for Martin, Alex Rance or Trent Cotchin.

Equally, the Giants then have probably six or eight players – Josh Kelly, Toby Greene, Tom Scully, Jonathon Patton, Stephen Coniglio, Dylan Shiel, Lachie Whitfield – of arguably superior quality to Richmond's next-best bracket.

The query is whether the Giants have the depth in their midfield to better the greater quality of the Tiger stars. Deledio can make the introductions for them.

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Stevie Johnson can't be dropped now. Of course, when you kick six goals, and four in a quarter, that is not a big statement.

Whether his creaking, aching knees recover enough for him to back up for Saturday's prelim, something that has been a week-to-week question all year, is the only thing stopping him being picked now.

True, Johnson didn't kick his first goal until the Giants were seven goals up on Saturday but he was disruptive early on and he made the reconfigured Giants forward line more creative.

The Giants were too tall against the Crows and looked far better on Saturday for the forced changes injuries demanded. Rory Lobb played as a genuine ruckman and looked good where Shane Mumford was sore and immobile. Cameron would have played if fit and so Harry Himmelberg would have missed.

The Giants' forward line looked better when firstly they were able to move the ball with pace in the midfield, but then not bomb it long and dumb as they did early on and let Jeremy McGovern mark it. Once the ball started turning over in midfield and coming in fast and varied to the forwards McGovern – who has great hands but is not quick – didn't have time to get back or to get across to contests.

With Johnson, Patton and Greene as genuine targets they had choices, but they also had Zac Williams pressing forward with Deledio playing in defence. Wiliams gave them more speed and pressure but generally the Giants mindset seemed to shift to play with more urgency to defend in their forward line.

Ordinarily you would expect David Astbury to go to Jonathon Patton this week and Rance to play on the young Himmelberg.

The Tigers are rare in that they have a player in Dylan Grimes who is the ideal match up for Toby Greene. Grimes is quick enough for Greene  but is taller and good overhead.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/4-points-time-for-extiger-to-lift-the-lid-for-giants-20170917-gyjavr.html

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Will GWS try to tag Dustin Martin? Can anyone stop Dustin Martin? (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2017, 03:38:16 AM »
Will GWS try to tag Dustin Martin? Can anyone stop Dustin Martin? Who will win, GWS or Richmond AFL Finals.

JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
18 September 2017


LEON Cameron could choose to run the gauntlet and not heavily tag Dustin Martin on Saturday night despite the hottest season in AFL history.

The GWS coach has an array of options, including run-with star Stephen Coniglio and hard-headed co-captain Callan Ward.

Yet Saturday’s preliminary final shapes as a clash free of heavy tags if recent history is any guide.

In Round 18, Martin was coming off his most dominant game of the season against Brisbane — 40 disposals, 12 inside 50s, 14 clearances and two goals.

Yet in that MCG clash the Giants allowed him to run around opposed to unheralded midfielder Matthew Kennedy for much of the game.

The result: another “triple double”, as Martin had 31 disposals, 11 clearances, 10 inside-50s and a goal in a 19-point Tigers victory.

The injured Coniglio did not play in that contest and as a tagger who made the All Australian 40 last year he seems the perfect candidate.

He runs hard, he can play inside and outside, he is strong enough to at least try to negate Martin’s power game.

But in the effortless win over West Coast, Cameron chose to prioritise ball movement over restricting the opposition’s stars.

He didn’t tag any of Luke Shuey, Andrew Gaff, Matt Priddis or Sam Mitchell.

This year Coniglio has tagged Jack Steven in Round 7, played on Patrick Dangerfield for 31 minutes in Round 23 and Matt Crouch for 44 minutes in the qualifying final.

None of them were pure tags, with Crouch one of Adelaide’s best players with 31 disposals.

In the Round 9 win over Richmond, Ward went head-to-head with Martin for 22 minutes when the Brownlow Medal favourite played in the midfield.

At Richmond Shaun Grigg shapes as the midfield cooler most likely to go to young star Josh Kelly.

But while the Tigers have used Grigg, Kane Lambert and even Dion Prestia in accountable roles they don’t run with a start-to-finish tagger.

Kelly wasn’t tagged in Round 9 and had 31 possessions, but Grigg went to him for 47 minutes in the Round 18 win.

Kelly had 11 touches to Grigg’s 10, a victory for the Tigers on what was a heavy MCG track.

Dylan Shiel cut West Coast to ribbons at Spotless Stadium but again history shows the Tigers won’t tag him.

His main match-ups in those games were Prestia and Anthony Miles, both for just on 20 minutes.

Martin was able to get off the chain in the second half against Geelong when Cam Guthrie went down with a calf injury.

He once used to run out of gas in second halves but his brilliance this year has been his ability to secure mismatches as a forward with dominance after the main break.

Leon Cameron had a triumphant game from the coaches box against West Coast, with revitalised ruckman Rory Lobb shaping as a real concern for Richmond ruckman Toby Nankervis.

But if Coniglio affixes himself to Martin’s side from the first bounce, it will be a significant departure from Cameron’s strategies this season.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/jon-ralph-examines-leon-camerons-options-for-trying-to-stop-star-tiger-dustin-martin/news-story/af6bdffb8cee37080d77d81d557cef83

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Did the tiger's play their Grand Final last week???? that's what a Giant's fan on SEN is claiming
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Did the tiger's play their Grand Final last week???? that's what a Giant's fan on SEN is claiming

Most fans wouldn't know

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Did the tiger's play their Grand Final last week???? that's what a Giant's fan on SEN is claiming

Most fans wouldn't know
He's a Giants fan so gas no clue to start with  :shh
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Did the tiger's play their Grand Final last week???? that's what a Giant's fan on SEN is claiming

He's in for a rude shock.
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WC looked pretty insipid, must of been pretty tired after that game with Port, which was a good hard tussle.  I don't think GWS looked that good to be honest, WC hardly competed, they barely chased, put no pressure on, and generally adopted witches hat positions for most of that game.  Hopefully we can shell shock this afl confection when they turn up and we hit them with the blitzkrieg


WC were totally insipid. Living in WA I enjoyed that aspect of the game. 

GWS are very difficult to figure out. List chock full of talent that doesn't play as a team yet. Has happened with just about every list of any new team in my time watching the AFL. Port the only exception.

I have a theory that these new clubs need to go through at least half a generation of players before they actually develop the required cohesion amongst their playing group to be fully effective on the field.
They keep turning players over like a cattle yard because they have so many, they have done the same with admin and staff so how would anyone there feel any comraderie is beyond me...pick up your big paycheck and hope you get head hunted lol
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