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At least if he's inside 50 and marks he can just bomb it through the goals. Not great with the tactical instructions is Tucky in the midfield.
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Not great with the tactical instructions is Tucky in the midfield.
hopefully then, that is one of the things he has had to work on.
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Tucky could be a real asset in the forward line on Sat night against the Swans. Could surprise and kick 3 or 4 off the half forward stuff with his long kicking.

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Not great with the tactical instructions is Tucky in the midfield.
hopefully then, that is one of the things he has had to work on.
Hard to teach old dogs at 27 y.o. new tricks though which is why he was left out of the side in the first two rounds. Tucky's tough and an honest footballer but he just doesn't have a natural nouse for the modern tactical game both offensively and defensively.
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I don't have a bar of the the adage you cant teach an old dog new tricks. The adage is literally wrong and with humans the only people capable of learning that can't be taught new tricks are those that that don't want to learn, regardless of age.

As for whether Tuck has the nouse for the modern tactics? I suppose time will tell.

Last year when he was recalled after being banished to Coburg to work on part of his game, he looked to me like he was unsure of what his role was. A reflection on his learning ability or the coaching staff's teaching ability? ...Or both?

Is Tuck's selection just part of a rotation of certain players to have a look at them, or has he satisfied Hardwick that he has overcome his deficiencies he had to work on?

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bah 27 is a baby.  I took up Classical guitar in December after my 40th birthday, just learnt my 7th piece.  Got my mother hooked on the idea of learning guitar too and she is 63, she hasn't looked back.  Were not dogs.  And 27 isn't old. :thumbsup
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There was reason Tuck was trade bait and a reason no other club wanted him ..... too slow (especially lacks acceleration), lacks defensive accountability, lacks vision and just plonks the ball on his foot anyhow to bomb it forward. At 27 winning the hard ball isn't enough anymore with that many other flaws. Maybe he could provide a chop out for Jack and Morton in the forward line but again he's just a stopgap measure.

You've got to love the media. They now bag us for not playing Tuck and even more laughable Jordie yet they would cry same old Richmond going for the quick fix if we did play them  ::)

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Good luck to Tucky. He'll need it.

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I don't have a bar of the the adage you cant teach an old dog new tricks. The adage is literally wrong and with humans the only people capable of learning that can't be taught new tricks are those that that don't want to learn, regardless of age.

As for whether Tuck has the nouse for the modern tactics? I suppose time will tell.

Last year when he was recalled after being banished to Coburg to work on part of his game, he looked to me like he was unsure of what his role was. A reflection on his learning ability or the coaching staff's teaching ability? ...Or both?

Is Tuck's selection just part of a rotation of certain players to have a look at them, or has he satisfied Hardwick that he has overcome his deficiencies he had to work on?
Nouse? No for various reasons. IMO he offensively holds onto the ball far too long slowing down our play and then bombs the ball forward old school footy style. He's not a type to spread from a contest quickly either due to his lack of speed and acceleration. Defensively his opponent runs off and spreads from the contest off him far too much.

Learning vs coaching staff teaching ability? Both. I don't see Tucky as that footy smart (very brave, strong and tough though). However we know especially from Postie's comments last year that the previous coaching staff spent little one-on-one time.

Rotation policy? No IMO given he is 27. If we hadn't been smashed in the first two rounds  and the Swans weren't a close-in contested footy side then Tucky may have been left to play at Coburg.
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Even ex coaching staff have admitted the development side at RFC has been sorely lacking in the past, just maybe, we have some better things in place to help guide players with their roles now, including people like Tucky who might need a bit of extra work on how to approach some of the tactics and some of his ingrained habits.  Looking back over the course, I cannot believe we have burn't through so many high picks with so little return, with very decent senior coaches dotted in there too.  Development seems to be the weak link...
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What was Tucky's new role tonight?  I hardly noticed him out there although he got 16 possies.
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Seemed to at half back but what exactly his role was pretty hard to work out on the telly. Would be interested to hear from anyone who went to the game as to what he was doing off the ball.
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Seemed to at half back but what exactly his role was pretty hard to work out on the telly. Would be interested to hear from anyone who went to the game as to what he was doing off the ball.


Yeah Tucky's role was across HB. To be honest he seems a bit lost across HB. Disposal and decision making was well normal - poor at times average at best. Off the ball he unfortunately made the mistake of trying to take his opponent to the ball which at times was costly. Sometimes as a defender you have to take your opponent away from the action as opposed to taking them to the action.

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Tuck, either plays on ball, or inside F50 as a marking option, NEVER EVER going to make a backman.
Very poor thinker is Shane,way too costly to play in D50

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Very poor thinker is Shane,way too costly to play in D50

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More zip in Tuck (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #374 on: June 03, 2010, 02:58:25 AM »
More zip in Tuck
Michael Horan
Herald Sun
June 03, 2010


NO PLAYER appreciated Richmond's breakthrough win last weekend more than club stalwart Shane Tuck.

That Tuck was out there was tribute to his willingness to work to succeed.

That he was voted best-on-ground by both coaches, Richmond's Damien Hardwick and Port Adelaide's Mark Williams, was even more significant.

The 28-year-old, touted as trade bait in the off-season and overlooked for the opening two rounds this year, has won his battle to succeed as well as Hardwick's approval.

Since being recalled in Round 3, Tuck has averaged 27.1 possessions a game, leads his side in hard-ball gets and is back to the form that earned him second place in the 2008 best-and-fairest and third in 2005 and 2007.

That's satisfying stuff, given his start under the new coach.

But where one might suspect a negative reaction to Hardwick, given the circumstances, it's precisely the opposite.

"Since he's been there he's really given me a fair go," said Tuck, accepting responsibility for his own fall from favour.

"The last six weeks of last year, my performances weren't up to scratch, I let myself down really.

"I guess that was the new coach's impression of me.

"That's what it was in the first practice matches and it took a little (while) for him to realise that wasn't me, that I actually can play footy.

"It was up to me to prove to him I could play."

Against Port last weekend, Tuck amassed a game-high 31 possessions and was awarded the maximum five votes from both Hardwick and Williams in the league's coaches' award.

But Tuck is just happy he has been given the past eight weeks to vindicate himself.

"I'm really happy he gave me the opportunity. I've been playing on the back stuff and every now and then he puts me on the ball," Tuck said of Hardwick.

"(Initially) I didn't know what would happen, whether I would get a game at all.

"But he really is a fair bloke - he gives you an opportunity. If you do the right things, he gives you a chance. You can't ask for any more in a coach."

Tuck's second coming began after he had surgery to repair a perforated ear drum he had been playing with for two years. From there it was back to work.

"I still tried to put in a big pre-season. Get the running right," Tuck said.

"The way Damien wanted us to play, we practised that all pre-season and I just really wanted to get the way he wanted to play in my game - where the ball was to be moved, the set-ups around the stoppages, I just really wanted to get that right.

"I really concentrated on that and tried to get myself as fit as possible to give myself an opportunity.

"I've been around long enough to realise I had to try and bounce back from what happened last year and the only way to do that is through hard work."

A team with a similar attitude had its work pay off in Adelaide on Saturday when the Tigers, in appalling conditions, laid a record 142 tackles to engineer an astonishing 47-point win.

"I thought the whole team set it up," Tuck said, dismissing his best-afield status.

"The young blokes (Ben) Nason and (Robbie) Nahas kicking some goals, Jack Riewoldt in great form, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin on the ball and our backline was fantastic - Chris Newman, Brett Deledio and Kel Moore. Everybody played well.

"That was the most pleasing thing. It was a really hard-fought win. We were hungry for a victory and just at it from the word go."

One shouldn't be surprised at the Tiger utility's durability. His father Michael is the league's games record-holder with 426 and played at the top level until he was 38.

Shane has not missed through injury since Round 7, 2003, and sports the same hard and wiry frame as his father.

"Yeah, the old man played 140 straight, so there must be something in the genes," he joked.

Has he got his father's longevity in the big league?

"Hope so. I'll be telling the coach that, anyhow."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-zip-in-tuck/story-e6frf9io-1225874741851