What's our best ruck combo?

[JP Tiger]

Why does it have to be two ruckmen in the team.
Why cant it be Nankervis OR Soldo playing 70 80% of games and CC-J playing mainly as a fwd offering a chop out.
Coleman- Jones looks to be a far superior mark than in particular Soldo and Nankervis and imo is already in front of those two as a fwd.

But Claw, how top heavy is our forward line going to be with Lynch, Riewoldt & now CCJ up there?  And which small forward ends up in the twos because Claw wants 3 talls up forward? 
Chaos with pacey small forwards won us a premiership, structure & predictability will put us back into the pack. 

[RedanTiger]

You do realise Soldo has taken just 8 contested marks in his entire career. 7 of them this yr .You could count on one hand the number of times hes had more than 10 disposals a game over the entirety.

As I posted in my previous post, Soldo took 33 marks in 2019, with 14 in his last 4 games.
I don't know where you get your figure of 7 marks this year.
I got my figures from AFL tables.
If your statistical evidence is incorrect then your argument is unsupported.

I suppose everyone is entitled to "alternative facts" in the current world.

[WilliamPowell]

You do realise Soldo has taken just 8 contested marks in his entire career. 7 of them this yr .You could count on one hand the number of times hes had more than 10 disposals a game over the entirety.

As I posted in my previous post, Soldo took 33 marks in 2019, with 14 in his last 4 games.
I don't know where you get your figure of 7 marks this year.
I got my figures from AFL tables.
If your statistical evidence is incorrect then your argument is unsupported.

I suppose everyone is entitled to "alternative facts" in the current world.

Claw was talking contested marks, not marks in general

Whatever the number Soldo's improvement and impact is beyond question. Personally see him as our number 1 ruck now

[georgies31]

Problem with Claw everyone needs to be a star Soldo only going to get better from here.

[1965]

Depends on who we play.

[one-eyed]

Why the Tigers' twin ruck option should roll on in 2020

By Ed Jackson
AAP
28 Jan 2020

RICHMOND big man Ivan Soldo sees no reason why the Tigers should abandon playing two ruckman in 2020.

Soldo combined with fellow tall Toby Nankervis as the Tigers claimed last year's Toyota AFL premiership.

After debuting in 2017, the ex-soccer player enjoyed a breakout 2019 campaign.

Soldo played 14 games and his form meant when Nankervis came back into the side for the qualifying final against Brisbane, the 23-year-old was still part of Damien Hardwick's matchday 22.

The pair would combine throughout the finals, ending in an 89-point demolition of Greater Western Sydney in the decider.

Although Nankervis is still in rehab after having off-season groin surgery, Soldo is eager to renew their partnership when the 2020 campaign gets underway.

"With the 6-6-6 ... it's pretty demanding on the bodies for a ruckman so to have a chop out definitely helps," Soldo said from Richmond's pre-season training camp on the Gold Coast.

"We've found that having the two rucks really made us dominant in the VFL, so why not let it happen in the AFL? Last year it definitely worked."

Soldo himself is still coming to terms with his annus mirabilis which culminated in a premiership medallion after a Grand Final display which included five marks, 22 hitouts, 17 disposals and a goal in the third quarter.

"Personally I just enjoyed that year. Winning a Grand Final is pretty unreal," he said.

"I guess game-to-game you get more confidence which helps but nothing will ever change with the way I train and I approach it.

"Maybe leading into next year, I hope to play more games as well but, once again, it's up to Dimma (Hardwick) to play me."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/367848/why-the-tigers-twin-ruck-option-should-roll-on-in-2020

[Gracie]

Having two rucks and generally interchanging them from the bench means we are one rotation down on midfield rotations. Therefore need midfielders to rest in the forward line more often to compensate

[Diocletian]

That's why we need to start blooding the more athletic, mobile & versatile rucks in CCJ & Chol...won't get away with playing a pair of lumbering dinosaurs forever - will eventually catch up with us and bite us on the arse just like the Grigg tactic did at the end of 2018...

[the claw]

Problem with Claw everyone needs to be a star Soldo only going to get better from here.

How the hell you come up with that conclusion from what i posted i have no idea.
No wonder i get grumpy with posters.

In a nut shell i have stated Soldo is a comprtent ruckman but been  poor in most other aspects and Nankervis is a poor ruckman but been competent in most other aspects.

Now asking for a combination of the two is not asking for a star but asking for a  competent well rounded ruckman.

[one-eyed]

Brisbane ruckman Stefan Martin doesn't believe Richmond's success with two specialist ruckmen will make it a league-wide phenomenon in 2020.

The Tigers combined Ivan Soldo and Toby Nankervis to great effect in the last few weeks of the season as they claimed their second AFL premiership in the past three years.

Soldo has already indicated he'd be keen for Richmond to continue with the practice into the new season, arguing the league's 6-6-6 rule adds extra workload on a club's ruck division.

Martin says there are definite benefits to coaches picking two specialist ruckmen in a matchday squad, but the move carries risk as well.

"It will depend team-to-team and how strong your ruck division is. You're not going to want to play two just for the sake of it," the 33-year-old told AAP.

"Soldo said something about the work rate being harder and I agree with that but you need a strong ruck division to play two I think.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/twin-rucks-not-for-everyone-says-lion/ede137f9-3615-46af-bab3-8329994dc4b6

[Diocletian]

That's why iif you play two rucks you need at least one them to be an athletic mobile type and not slow as treacle...

[georgies31]

Make no mistake the 2 ruck system and Soldo coming into the side had a big impact last season teams thought they could expose us there ,but we turned it around with our midfield also getting first use of the ball.

[Andyy]

If we had one of Grundy, Gawn or a fit NicNat I wouldn't bother either.

Despite that we have a competitive undersized ruck who can run a bit, and a big/tall/built ruck who lumbers around. So playing both is probably our best bet unless CCJ becomes the next Goldstein.

[pmac21]

The boys on the Richmond Tiger Talk Podcast had an interesting discussion on Nank possibly being poached by a Brisbane, Essendon etc as he is out of contract at seasons end and then discussed if this would be a bad thing.  Their rationale was predicated on CCJ becoming our main ruckman and Soldo continuing his progression. 

I must say I was a little surprised by this as Nank is only 25 and a heart and soul type player within a club. Not only that he is a darn good player.

Thoughts? 

[Diocletian]

I like him but personally think he'll eventually become expendable and probably sooner rather than later...would benefit a club like the Gold Coast.. to me he's that typical plucky journeyman-type ruckman  that the Swans seem to produce or at they least end up at the Swans at some point in their career and usually manage to win a flag or two somewhere along the way....