Author Topic: Did Cotchin and Riewoldt make the right call to play on? [merged]  (Read 6046 times)

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When it Comes to Riewoldt well my views are their for all to see.
Until there is a better option Jack is a needed player What i will argue and have argued about is not dropping Riewoldt but developing a third tall or fwd/ruck  while he is there. Most other clubs manage to do it why can't we?

Samson Ryan has been int the team the last two weeks…

As i said my views over a very long period are there for all to see.

Ryan is clearly a developing ruck/forward playing alongside Jack, so your point about us not developing one while Jack is there is blatantly incorrect.

We also have Bauer and Bradtke in the VFL.

I know you love exploring every possible negative angle you can find when it comes to RFC, but you need to look elsewhere in this instance.

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Correct if I’m wrong but didn’t Dipper play over 50 reserves games before he got a senior spot , there are others too which I can’t remember right now , but done correctly the reserves can be the stepping stone to things greater

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I disagree. Pressure, tackling and defence will still be king when it matters most. No point kicking 100 points if you allow the opposition to kick 120. We found that out last year. H&A season we were AFL#1 for points scored but AFL#9 for points conceded. Then got bounced out of the elimination fin where I can’t remember the score exactly but I’m pretty sure we kicked over 100 but lions obviously kicked a few more.

Not saying the inclusion of Cumberland or Ryan or both into that forward line necessarily means our forward pressure turns to crap but it’s all about finding the right balance. Don’t think we’ll be anything but a middling side if we take a gung-ho offensive approach.
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Looks like we'll be resting both of them once a month it seems to get them through the season and to give the cubs some proper gametime with an eye to the future.
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Good move to rest them would have liked to see Miller in though

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Despite Hardwick stressing the Tigers would rest their veterans, it comes as a surprise against the Bulldogs, who are finals contenders despite their slow start to the season.

"Our older players, we've openly spoken about the fact they won't play every game," Hardwick told reporters on Thursday.

"There's going to be opportunities throughout the year where we sit there and go 'This is a game where we're going to manage a certain player or two'.

"We've got a long-term plan in mind and we need to make sure we're consistent with that plan."

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/cotchin-riewoldt-managed-for-tigers-clash-with-dogs-c-10273762

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When it Comes to Riewoldt well my views are their for all to see.
Until there is a better option Jack is a needed player What i will argue and have argued about is not dropping Riewoldt but developing a third tall or fwd/ruck  while he is there. Most other clubs manage to do it why can't we?

Samson Ryan has been int the team the last two weeks…

As i said my views over a very long period are there for all to see.

Ryan is clearly a developing ruck/forward playing alongside Jack, so your point about us not developing one while Jack is there is blatantly incorrect.

We also have Bauer and Bradtke in the VFL.

I know you love exploring every possible negative angle you can find when it comes to RFC, but you need to look elsewhere in this instance.

Clearly if one is not quite literal with you you cannot understand. So when i say a long period what bit of that don't you understand.

Ryan has now played just 3 games. So he has hardly been developed. Thought it was also quite obvious i was talking about playing kids in the seniors alongside Tom and Jack. Can't mentor them if they don't play. Clearly Ryan is a ruck who can play fwd also. We have hedged our bets for a long long time with Ryan types Rather than drafting genuine key fwds. But as i have already said hard to develop them if you fail to draft em.
Wowee we have Bauer a mid season rookie TAKEN MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR  and Bradtke another rookie taken at THE START OF THIS YEAR. Boy thats a huge investment. 
Fact  is they could not be mentored  not before mid last year anyway because they weren't there . There was literally no other Genuine KPF on the list to develop. Now that is lousy list management in anyones language. But hey you defend away.
So mid year last year and start of this hmm i dont think that referes to a long period of time That in anyones language is very very recent and almost an after thought to the problem.

In fact there has hardly been a genuine key fwd on the list outside of JR TL for god knows how long. But hey you put your blinkers on and defend the club as much as you can, denying things doesnt mean your right. In fact you look absolutely foolish in this.

Can anyone remember 2017 you know the year we only had Riewoldt as a kpf. A situation that had us go hard for yep Tom Lynch for the 2019 season. Apart from Lynch what has really changed?

The biggest gripe i have is our penchant to draft what i describe as Half ruckman Half forward but not quite either types.. That sort of nonsense goes way back. A list of em would go Elton, Vickery, Griffiths might be a bit harsh here, McBean, Chol, CCJ, and now hopefully not Ryan.

The only GENUINE KEY FWDS we have drafted since 2017 are
Bauer - mid season last year
Bradtke - Start of this year.
Miller - At pick 63 2018 and we proceeded to play him as a kpd almost straight away.
If you think that is some sort of serious investment into what has been a very obvious problem then good on ya maybe you can get me some of the drugs your obviously taking.

Ruck Fwds in
CCJ - In 2018
Ryan - 2021.
Miller - this has become his role but has shown most in defence.

That is 6 drafts knowing we only had one kpf at the level in 2017 and  two at the level in 2019  in ageing stars Riewoldt and Lynch.

Its mind boggling that people wonder why every year i push for us to draft at least one GENUINE KEY FORWARD. Why because there has been little to no investment in the area. Pick 63 in miller. If you wan't to split hairs about what CCJ is then pick 20.

When i ask who will play in Jacks spot the silence is deathening usually. Who is a better tall fwd on our list other than Lynchy? This week it will be for the first time young Ryan, but i maintain he should be playing alongside JR and TL as a fwd ruck. He is nowhere near Jacks level even at age 34.
Here we are playing what is primarily a ruckman imo in jacks place. Why simple we have FAILED in every way to develop other genuine key fwds.

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Barrett in his 'Sliding Doors' column today:


IF ...
Riewoldt and Cotchin have indeed been "managed" out of the Tigers team to play the Bulldogs on Saturday ...

THEN ...
I love the big-picture ideology. All-time Tigers greats who will still play big roles in 2023. But I do wonder if form and team-balance is part of the decision making, too. Neither anywhere near career-best form.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/896875/if-riewoldt-and-cotchin-have-been-managed-then

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I now know you have no idea where mentoring takes place, the recruitment of key forwards is lottery WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND , and development takes place initially through the reserves and at training , anyone who has been involved at local level knows that
I know some people don’t mean to be ignorant , narcissistic , psychopath with limited intelligence but when people think think they can win an argument by being the loudest that’s exactly how they come across.

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Riewoldt, Cotchin vow to do what's best for Richmond (Age)
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2023, 06:19:59 PM »
Riewoldt, Cotchin vow to do what’s best for Richmond

Peter Ryan
The Age
15 April 2023


Richmond champion Jack Riewoldt says being challenged about performance does not concern him as he and Trent Cotchin are only focused on helping the club lay the foundation for the Tigers’ next premiership.

The spearhead was his team’s most dangerous player in the Tigers’ loss to Sydney, kicking four goals and creating a contest in the absence of premiership teammate Tom Lynch.

But it was the decision to rest him the previous round and have his premiership skipper Cotchin start as the substitute in round four, with Cotchin then subbed out of the Gather Round game against Sydney on Friday night, that has attracted attention.

Riewoldt has no issue with the way he is being managed at the start of his 17th season and understands the logic behind him sitting on the sidelines in round four.

“It’s good for myself to have a week off and also good for the team to learn how to play without me because I am not going to be here forever,” Riewoldt said.

But when he does play he knows that, aside from his goalkicking prowess, a big part of his contribution will be bringing along emerging talls such as Samson Ryan and Ben Miller.

Riewoldt said both he and Cotchin have been aware of how they would be managed since the back end of last year.

“We are big boys and have been around for a long time, and we know that the club comes before any player,” Riewoldt said.

“For us, it is about finding the missing piece [of how] the club can win the next premiership, whether that be this year, next year, or the year after that.

“I don’t give a s*** what anyone thinks about us outside the football club and I know there has been a fair bit of commentary about us outside of the football club, some warranted, some probably unwarranted, but fundamentally we care about what the people here in the yellow and black are thinking, and we care about what the coaches are thinking.”

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/we-are-big-boys-riewoldt-cotchin-to-do-what-s-best-for-richmond-20230415-p5d0oc.html

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Cotchin should retire before MSD.

Jack needs to play most of the year now that Lynch is done.

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Correct if I’m wrong but didn’t Dipper play over 50 reserves games before he got a senior spot , there are others too which I can’t remember right now , but done correctly the reserves can be the stepping stone to things greater

Correct me if im wrong but its not 1985 and we now have lists of around just 40 and we are taking a shedload of 18 yr olds every year.
Every single club plays kids asap in the seniors far better to develop them with the old heads on game day than rot away with the nuffies in the two's on game day.
Whats that i hear you need to get a big group of kids to 80 odd games before you start reaping rewards.Well that is only done by playing em in the seniors.

You train and work on all sorts of things and yes develop, but you develop most in the seniors you learn more playing 5 senior games than you do playing Reserves all year. if your good enough.

The club with the biggest disconnect between seniors and juniors with experience is ypu guessed it the rfc.

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I now know you have no idea where mentoring takes place, the recruitment of key forwards is lottery WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND , and development takes place initially through the reserves and at training , anyone who has been involved at local level knows that
I know some people don’t mean to be ignorant , narcissistic , psychopath with limited intelligence but when people think think they can win an argument by being the loudest that’s exactly how they come across.

Lol im not going to argue the point with you. I have a rule don't Argue with imbeciles.

I will say im Not sure where i said development does not initally take place through training and the reserves. Your hearing only what you want to hear. The trouble is your the one who being more   ignorant narcciistic and psychopathic and definately limited in your intelligence in fact an imbecile.Just continue to hear only what you want to hear bud its no skin off my nose. :whistle

So sad that people get so cut up when home truths are spoken.

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Jack and Cotch are in the team to mentor the younger blokes, of course they are not going to be ripping games apart any more, it’s time for others to step up and take the role
Funny the cowards in the media haven’t attacked other sides ageing players when they don’t fire, we are soft targets for some

Gotta ask what younger blokes are they mentoring. If we did not have some injuries they would still be mentoring all their regular mates.

What big inside mid kids have we played what young key fwds have we played. FFS these two are now well into their 30's and we have not seen fit to play kids with them for years yet alone this year. In fact we have hardly seen fit to draft either type apart from the odd one  for years.

If we had we may not be in the situation we are now in.Forced to trade for Taranto and Hopper and in desperation Taking Bauer and Bradtke with nothing picks.

List management in this has been abysmal and as usual supporters just turn a blind eye.

They are both there to perform the roles they have always performed because they are quite easily still the best options in front of others.

The quote that started this little bit of fun.

Nothing but the truth but im Ignorant, Narccisitic, a Psychopath  and what else was the abuse oh yeah with limited intelligence.

Be good if nuffies would stick to what was actually postted rather than getting their knickers twisted over a few home truths.

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Coming from a bloke who only values his own self inflated opinion and constantly  insults and  argues with almost every one , doesn’t contradict my opinion .
An example is that you argued that Bolton should  play in the forward line now agues only genuine forwards should play in the forward line, a bit each way.
Back to getting the last word  I see, waiting until others have posted and going through them all and having a crack