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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2023, 11:48:25 PM »
The key difference about the MSD is you get a chance to fill a mid -season need.

Yeah we can go on and on about how they need to spend months learning our game strategy etc but seriously we need a KPF and it's not like leading, hitting a pack, taking and mark and kicking some goals is all that hard to learn all over when you move to a new team.

Jack is best, Lynch likely won't play again this year, Bauer has become a defender and Bradtke I don't know why we haven't played him tbh.

We needed a KPF, there was a mature rookie in good form, and instead we took another medium defender lol

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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2023, 12:29:20 AM »
Buller was the one for me, tall, agile, in form

Will be interesting to see how he goes at Sydney

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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #122 on: June 07, 2023, 09:58:57 AM »
Mihocek was overlooked in multiple drafts so he absolutely could have been picked up in the MSD if it was around then.

The suggestion that there is no point trying to address list needs in the MSD because you are unlikely to get a good player is folly.

Quality players get plucked from state leagues all the time.

With that said, I dont mind the look of Coulthard. 

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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #123 on: June 07, 2023, 10:36:44 AM »
Mihocek was overlooked in multiple drafts so he absolutely could have been picked up in the MSD if it was around then.

The suggestion that there is no point trying to address list needs in the MSD because you are unlikely to get a good player is folly.

Quality players get plucked from state leagues all the time.

With that said, I dont mind the look of Coulthard. 

100% mate

There's plenty of talent - just need to find it.

I think MSD picks will get progressively better in coming years as clubs refine their selection process.

It really should become a very useful recruiting option for mid-season needs.

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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #124 on: June 07, 2023, 10:37:58 AM »
The biggest reason why the players taken in the MSD don't come into the side straight away is their fitness!  The level of fitness required to play AFL is magnitudes higher than the state level these players come from.  Learning the plays & tactics isn't such a big deal but you can't play a guy who can't run at elite levels for four quarters.  You can't 'pick up' fitness in a weekend of team meetings, it would take 6-8 months of intense training to get these recruits up to AFL standard and that's assuming they don't injure themselves trying to make the standard!  These guys would instantly stand out as massive liabilities if you threw them into the team.
Marlion Pickett would be a rare exception, but he was a mature age player who had done loads of running work that meant he was able to play (for one game) in his first year.   
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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #125 on: June 07, 2023, 12:46:28 PM »
The biggest reason why the players taken in the MSD don't come into the side straight away is their fitness!  The level of fitness required to play AFL is magnitudes higher than the state level these players come from.  Learning the plays & tactics isn't such a big deal but you can't play a guy who can't run at elite levels for four quarters.  You can't 'pick up' fitness in a weekend of team meetings, it would take 6-8 months of intense training to get these recruits up to AFL standard and that's assuming they don't injure themselves trying to make the standard!  These guys would instantly stand out as massive liabilities if you threw them into the team.
Marlion Pickett would be a rare exception, but he was a mature age player who had done loads of running work that meant he was able to play (for one game) in his first year.   

I'm sure there's a gap in F&C but don't see why you can't draft a key forward (not a load of running around). Any other position you could use your tactical sub to get them off or on.

Obviously the sub is an injury backup but all clubs tend to use it in the 3rd quarter regardless.

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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #126 on: June 07, 2023, 05:31:43 PM »
The biggest reason why the players taken in the MSD don't come into the side straight away is their fitness!  The level of fitness required to play AFL is magnitudes higher than the state level these players come from.  Learning the plays & tactics isn't such a big deal but you can't play a guy who can't run at elite levels for four quarters.  You can't 'pick up' fitness in a weekend of team meetings, it would take 6-8 months of intense training to get these recruits up to AFL standard and that's assuming they don't injure themselves trying to make the standard!  These guys would instantly stand out as massive liabilities if you threw them into the team.
Marlion Pickett would be a rare exception, but he was a mature age player who had done loads of running work that meant he was able to play (for one game) in his first year.   

I'm sure there's a gap in F&C but don't see why you can't draft a key forward (not a load of running around). Any other position you could use your tactical sub to get them off or on.

Obviously the sub is an injury backup but all clubs tend to use it in the 3rd quarter regardless.
Key forwards still do loads of running, around 8kms per match which is nowhere near the 14-16kms that midfielders do.  For some perspective marathon runners do 26kms in just over 2 hours. 
Lots of the running from KPFs seems pointless (up & back trying fill space at HB & then bolting back inside 50) but that is the style of game now. 
Playing a state league KPF because you just picked him up in the MSD would be an absolute liability by quarter time.  They will get found out in less than 10 minutes & be heavily exploited until you drag them off.  The moment an opposition side notice a player who can't keep up it will get very ugly, you are effectively a man down if one player just can't run! 
The stay-at-home forward is dead meat these days, even Tony Lockett (in the shape he presented himself in back then) wouldn't make it now.       
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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #127 on: June 09, 2023, 10:11:41 PM »
Jack Buller has five goals approaching three quarter time at Tramway Oval.

https://twitter.com/VFL/status/1667034830654308355

The Swans picked Buller up after our pick 13.






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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #128 on: June 09, 2023, 10:35:32 PM »
The biggest reason why the players taken in the MSD don't come into the side straight away is their fitness!  The level of fitness required to play AFL is magnitudes higher than the state level these players come from.  Learning the plays & tactics isn't such a big deal but you can't play a guy who can't run at elite levels for four quarters.  You can't 'pick up' fitness in a weekend of team meetings, it would take 6-8 months of intense training to get these recruits up to AFL standard and that's assuming they don't injure themselves trying to make the standard!  These guys would instantly stand out as massive liabilities if you threw them into the team.
Marlion Pickett would be a rare exception, but he was a mature age player who had done loads of running work that meant he was able to play (for one game) in his first year.   

I'm sure there's a gap in F&C but don't see why you can't draft a key forward (not a load of running around). Any other position you could use your tactical sub to get them off or on.

Obviously the sub is an injury backup but all clubs tend to use it in the 3rd quarter regardless.
Key forwards still do loads of running, around 8kms per match which is nowhere near the 14-16kms that midfielders do.  For some perspective marathon runners do 26kms in just over 2 hours. 
Lots of the running from KPFs seems pointless (up & back trying fill space at HB & then bolting back inside 50) but that is the style of game now. 
Playing a state league KPF because you just picked him up in the MSD would be an absolute liability by quarter time.  They will get found out in less than 10 minutes & be heavily exploited until you drag them off.  The moment an opposition side notice a player who can't keep up it will get very ugly, you are effectively a man down if one player just can't run! 
The stay-at-home forward is dead meat these days, even Tony Lockett (in the shape he presented himself in back then) wouldn't make it now.       

It's the 2nd tier in the country man and you make it sound like the season premiere of the biggest loser lol

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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #129 on: June 10, 2023, 01:45:59 PM »
The biggest reason why the players taken in the MSD don't come into the side straight away is their fitness!  The level of fitness required to play AFL is magnitudes higher than the state level these players come from.  Learning the plays & tactics isn't such a big deal but you can't play a guy who can't run at elite levels for four quarters.  You can't 'pick up' fitness in a weekend of team meetings, it would take 6-8 months of intense training to get these recruits up to AFL standard and that's assuming they don't injure themselves trying to make the standard!  These guys would instantly stand out as massive liabilities if you threw them into the team.
Marlion Pickett would be a rare exception, but he was a mature age player who had done loads of running work that meant he was able to play (for one game) in his first year.   

I'm sure there's a gap in F&C but don't see why you can't draft a key forward (not a load of running around). Any other position you could use your tactical sub to get them off or on.

Obviously the sub is an injury backup but all clubs tend to use it in the 3rd quarter regardless.
Key forwards still do loads of running, around 8kms per match which is nowhere near the 14-16kms that midfielders do.  For some perspective marathon runners do 26kms in just over 2 hours. 
Lots of the running from KPFs seems pointless (up & back trying fill space at HB & then bolting back inside 50) but that is the style of game now. 
Playing a state league KPF because you just picked him up in the MSD would be an absolute liability by quarter time.  They will get found out in less than 10 minutes & be heavily exploited until you drag them off.  The moment an opposition side notice a player who can't keep up it will get very ugly, you are effectively a man down if one player just can't run! 
The stay-at-home forward is dead meat these days, even Tony Lockett (in the shape he presented himself in back then) wouldn't make it now.       

It's the 2nd tier in the country man and you make it sound like the season premiere of the biggest loser lol

Nope your wrong nothing to do with standards but everything to do with our reluctance to actually take talll fwds.
I mentioned Buller said a good mate was very impressed with him and mentioned it here my mate has shown himself to be very astute
With in the main wa kids.

Oh by the way wce are debuting Maric after just 1 wafl game for them.

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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #130 on: June 10, 2023, 03:09:15 PM »
Agree we should've taken a KPF but WCE had first pick so we were never getting Maric and they barely have enough fit players to field a side so not exactly hard to get a game with them these days... :shh
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Re: Who should we target in the Midseason draft?
« Reply #131 on: June 23, 2023, 02:17:25 AM »
The (un)luck of the MSD draw. The other key forward we overlooked.

ESSENDON mid-season recruit Jaiden Hunter could miss the rest of the season after a hot spot stress injury was found in his back.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/953991/essendon-bombers-recruit-jaiden-hunter-could-miss-rest-of-season-due-to-back-injury