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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2024, 02:59:50 PM »
I'm told Balta is having a ripper pre-season and is the hardest forward to play on. Outside of Mansell that is

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2024, 03:04:02 PM »
I'm told Balta is having a ripper pre-season and is the hardest forward to play on. Outside of Mansell that is

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2024, 03:36:17 PM »
I'm told Balta is having a ripper pre-season and is the hardest forward to play on. Outside of Mansell that is

New year same old crap from wankers

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Could stand to be a bit more gracious considering you're about to be named OER's favorite player.... :shh
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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2024, 06:32:55 PM »
I'm told Balta is having a ripper pre-season and is the hardest forward to play on. Outside of Mansell that is

New year same old crap from wankers

You got that right

Could stand to be a bit more gracious considering you're about to be named OER's favorite player.... :shh

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2024, 12:01:49 AM »
2023 was a tough year for the Tigers. Can they bounce back under new coach Adem Yze?


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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2024, 08:59:03 PM »
Based on today + who’s coming back in, this is the team I’d predict for opening round


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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2024, 09:09:49 PM »
I tend to agree OE. I do worry for our stocks down back who plays on the monster duos. Eg McKay and Curnow? Daniher and Hipwood? I feel we are a KPB short. I'd prefer to see Noah back. That's just me.
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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2024, 09:45:50 PM »
Happy new year all. Hope everyone had a great christmas and have a prosperous new year.

To my favorite type of thread where we get to pick teams  that  won't likely happen, but hope for miracles.

Fourth year in since we won our last flag. We are kidding ourselves if we aren't prioritising getting games into what are not really kids anymore to some degree.
For 4 years now premiership players including 2020 have shown real decline and will continue to do so. There is unfortunately no remedy for age. The real concern is the next level are not showing an ability to take over.

First of all we need a serious injection of pace size and skills on the outside  in particular wing half back and high fwd..
We really need to play genuine forwards  AND PERSEVERE with them.

For me new coach, start of a big change and new direction.
So new slate for all players meaning old blokes won't get picked on what they managed to do 4 yrs ago.
Pick actual forwards to play forward same for mids and defenders.  Stop picking favorites and mids in place of actual fwds and defenders.
Stop playing defenders forward and vice verca and last, the state and age of the list actually demands we prioritise youth as much as is practicable.


Given all are fit and have had good preseasons my round one team would exclude the following keeping in mind what i have said above.
Ross, Short, Grimes, Graham, McIntosh Pickett, MRJ, Mansell, Ralphsmith, Miller. All played at least 13 games last year with the exception of MRJ who played 10 mostly undeserving games by that standard you could say all bar MRJ were regulars.

Bauer Kosi and TL  are three starting tall fwds or depending if a second ruck is needed Ryan would be starting fwd as the second ruck instead of Bauer.

Of all those omitted Grimes Short Ross and Graham would appear to be the most contentious ones but are they?.

Grimes well what a poor season he has come off and already has preseason issues. if its a clean slate and reputations don't count then  Young as a lock down defender in the Astbury mold and Balta, are based on last year locks for the two kpd spots. Gibcus for mine takes Grimes third tall spot. that is a part of the  youth prioritisation path that we must go down.

Short well most want him played across hb but imo there are 4 players who are better options two in Rioli and Broad may well play back again this year but im hoping we roll both up to a wing allowing us to play two talented kids  Brown for Broad and Banks for Rioli in their place across hb in their best position. Pace size and delivery across hb and we get a defensive winger in Broad and pace run and skill in Rioli on the other wing. If we look at the stated  priorites at the start of the post then these moves are a no brainer.

Graham is not a fwd nor is he a defender he is a slow mid who exacerbates pace problems.

 Ross on a wing has been servicable but he too lacks pace run and hurt facter by foot. There really is far better wing options who have been named staring us in the face. Leave the outside roles to those who have the right attributes for the role.
 Personally id rather pump games into McAuliffe who looks a beast of a player who will make a contribution to our midfield by winning his own ball. 

Miller well atm Young has his spot for me with Miller it is kpd or bust but he has had chances and will now have to force Young out.

Mrj well he is a favorite son but that should not preclude him from much deserved criticism. We do have better options than him and he too should now be made to show significant improvement that is needed.

Ralphsmith well i have no comment. denigrating players always ends in conflict but i will say imo he deserves all the criticism he has copped

McIntosh omg no wonder other supporters laugh at us apart from his hard two way running he lacks in just about all other areas to play wing.

Marlion has his limitations as well and at 32 he is keeping a kid out of the side weather that is wing hb or fwd. Another coming of a horror season lets hope he is picked not on the past but with a clean slate in mind that would mean to start the year he is playing ressies.

Anyway enough of the ravings. my best 23 goes like this. As usual its with an eye on the future and where i think we are at as far as playing youth goes.

FB/ Vlastuin 187/87 - Young 196/?? - Gibcus 196/??. 6 genuine defenders with height size run and skill maybe a bit inexperienced.
HB/ Brown  192 /??  -  Balta 195/100 - Banks 187/??

C/  D Rioli 179/79 -  Martin 187/90 -  Broad 192/??.  Ruckman aside that is such a well rounded midfield. Grunt, size, pace, run, x factor and skill
R/  Nankervis 199/101 - Taranto 188/87 - Bolton 175/75.

HF/ Clarke 179/??  - Koschitzke 196/96 - Campbell 182/??.  No dinosaurs all actual fwds.Lots of  height  with a few who can rotate mid.
FF/ Cumberland 183/83 - Lynch 199/99 - Bauer 192/??

INT/ Baker 175/?? - Hopper 186/86 - Prestia 175/82 - Sonsie 181/81. Some youth and the best of the rest imo.

Sub McAuliffe 187/88

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2024, 08:30:04 AM »
HNY to you as well Claw.

Well one thing that will work in our favour this year is that we will be the underdogs with little expectations to succeed.

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2024, 09:41:46 AM »
It will be a rebuild no matter what in my opinion , I’m hoping
 to see what potential the kids have and with the more senior players to mentor ,  to show enough to give us hope that we are on the right track.
The best 23 to me  are the 23 that earn their spot , sides that have players that compete for spots without fear or favour tend to get the best out of themselves

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2024, 12:44:41 AM »
According to Sarah Black from the AFL website:


Best 23 for 2024

B: Dylan Grimes, Tylar Young, Nathan Broad

HB: Jayden Short, Nick Vlastuin, Daniel Rioli

C: Marlion Pickett, Tim Taranto, Jack Ross

HF: Shai Bolton, Noah Balta, Liam Baker

F: Jacob Koschitzke, Tom Lynch, Dustin Martin

Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Jacob Hopper

I/C: Jack Graham, Thomson Dow, Kamdyn McIntosh, Josh Gibcus, Rhyan Mansell


Emerg: Samson Ryan, Sam Banks, Tyler Sonsie, Maurice Rioli jnr

Source: AFL website.

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2024, 08:54:11 AM »
Probably not far off, although at this stage I think I would rather see guys like Ryan, Banks, Sonsie and MRJ on the bench than Graham, KMac, Mansell etc. I think we've seen enough of those last 3 to know their potential and should be getting games into the former four.


According to Sarah Black from the AFL website:


Best 23 for 2024

B: Dylan Grimes, Tylar Young, Nathan Broad

HB: Jayden Short, Nick Vlastuin, Daniel Rioli

C: Marlion Pickett, Tim Taranto, Jack Ross

HF: Shai Bolton, Noah Balta, Liam Baker

F: Jacob Koschitzke, Tom Lynch, Dustin Martin

Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Jacob Hopper

I/C: Jack Graham, Thomson Dow, Kamdyn McIntosh, Josh Gibcus, Rhyan Mansell


Emerg: Samson Ryan, Sam Banks, Tyler Sonsie, Maurice Rioli jnr

Source: AFL website.

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2024, 03:54:59 PM »
According to Sarah Black from the AFL website:


Best 23 for 2024

B: Dylan Grimes, Tylar Young, Nathan Broad

HB: Jayden Short, Nick Vlastuin, Daniel Rioli

C: Marlion Pickett, Tim Taranto, Jack Ross

HF: Shai Bolton, Noah Balta, Liam Baker

F: Jacob Koschitzke, Tom Lynch, Dustin Martin

Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Jacob Hopper

I/C: Jack Graham, Thomson Dow, Kamdyn McIntosh, Josh Gibcus, Rhyan Mansell


Emerg: Samson Ryan, Sam Banks, Tyler Sonsie, Maurice Rioli jnr

Source: AFL website.
That team is the epitomy of the old saying. Its the epitomy of madness doing the same things over and over expecting things to change.
That team is basically the same group of players with the exception of three who FAILED to make finals last year.

Going by reports Balta and Bolton will play as forwards so with that in mind and we don't prioritise youth the team should go something like this.


FB  Vlastuin   - Young - Grimes
HB  Broad - Gibcus - Rioli.
 
C   McIntosh - Martin - Ross
R   Nankervis - Taranto - Prestia

HF  Bolton - Balta - Cumberland
FF  MRJ  -  Lynch - Koschitzke

INT Baker - Short - Pickett - Hopper - Graham.

Personally i believe we should be looking to prioritise kids over aging players and battling  role players.
The kids named below in those positions are in the main just as good options or have better attributes for the role than those omitted.

FB  Vlastuin - Young - Gibcus. that is your backline for at least the next 5 seasons. Gibcus can play kpd but given circumstance third tall
HB  Brown- Balta - Trezise.     eases him back in.

C   Rioli - Martin - Banks.           Line breaking wingers who will punish by foot with the class of dusty. Abeast in Taranto and Polish and 
R   Nankervis - Taranto - Sonsie  delivery in Sonsie starting old man Prestia on the bench.

HF  Clarke - Koschitzke - Cumberland.   two goalkicking smalls in Bolton and noah. Clarke to play the old lambert role then your two kpf
FF  Bolton - Lynch - Bauer/Ryan.  then  one of bauer as third tall or Ryan as 2nd ruck/fwd.

Int  Hopper mid- Baker utility - Broad 7th defender.  - Prestia mid - Short run.. They imo are the best of the rest and you could start them in the 18.

Who in their right mind would prefer Picket McIntosh or Ross over Rioli and Banks on the wings. no one not based on attributes for the role. The bonus here is it allows very promising kids in Brown and Trezise  to get a go in their best roles across hb.
Who doesnt want Gibcus in the team and the form of Grimes does not allow us to move Balta fwd.
Gibcus for Grimes evry day of the week thanks. What the hell did we get Koschitzke for anyway just keep Balta in defence we dont have enough kpd quality back there to be moving him..

Do we or don't we need to find a third tall option fwd ?Bauer.  do or don't we need to develop Ryan?  he is 23 and needs to further his development in the seniors..
If it means say Jack Graham misses out on games as a fwd or Mansell but it allows us to get games into those two i know which way i want us to go. FFS no slow mids who are part time fwds just play genuine forwards in the fwd line.

Prioritise the younger blokes early in the year if they struggle then we have the oldies to fall back on.

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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2024, 04:12:31 PM »
According to Sarah Black from the AFL website:


Best 23 for 2024

B: Dylan Grimes, Tylar Young, Nathan Broad

HB: Jayden Short, Nick Vlastuin, Daniel Rioli

C: Marlion Pickett, Tim Taranto, Jack Ross

HF: Shai Bolton, Noah Balta, Liam Baker

F: Jacob Koschitzke, Tom Lynch, Dustin Martin

Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Jacob Hopper

I/C: Jack Graham, Thomson Dow, Kamdyn McIntosh, Josh Gibcus, Rhyan Mansell


Emerg: Samson Ryan, Sam Banks, Tyler Sonsie, Maurice Rioli jnr

Source: AFL website.

Sorry but IMHO Marlion Pickett is no longer best 23, not even close.
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Re: Best 23 in 2024?
« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2024, 06:32:02 PM »
Take out some of the usual suspects of Pickett, Ross, Graham, Kmac, Mansell and bring in the likes of Banks, Sonsie, Judson, Brown.