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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2024, 10:05:31 AM »
I think Larkay is the only player in the top 5 of Coleman for the past decade who wasn't a top 20 pick. Could be wrong, but if I am it's very close.

Can't pick a KPF as Pick 1.

Id love us to have Pick 1, compo for Bakes maybe mid to late round 1 and end up with Blues pick 1 with their father son points acquisition.

Pick Smillie at 1 and then go for the best KP forward available in the teens.

In the last 10 years, how many top 5 contending Coleman medallists were a top 5 pick or even a top 10 pick?

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2024, 10:18:54 AM »
7 were a top 10 pick that finished top 5 in the Coleman in the last 10 years.

Naughton
McKay
De Goey
Buddy
Josh Kennedy
Daniher
Betts

Also a few others to add to Larkey

bruest
Hawkins ( father son )
Taylor walker
Ben brown
Jack darling
Jack Gunston
Tom papley
Josh Bruce
Oscar Allen


Moral of the story is as far as key fwds go it can be a real luck of the draw

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2024, 10:40:27 AM »
I think P1 key forwards are more like than not a bust.

But a top 10-20 option should be considered.

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2024, 01:32:18 PM »
I think P1 key forwards are more like than not a bust.

But a top 10-20 option should be considered.

Agree Andyyy. I have added a Y to emphasise my agreement
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2024, 01:44:15 PM »
I think P1 key forwards are more like than not a bust.

But a top 10-20 option should be considered.

Agree Andyyy. I have added a Y to emphasise my agreement

Yep let's take a moment to reflect on the fails from the 2000's:
2014 McCartin
2013 Boyd
2011 Patton
2008 Watts

Everyone else is a mid, defender, ruck etc.

2020 JUH - pending but IMO likely good
2022 Cadman - pending but too early to tell

Only successful #1 KPF is Nick Riewoldt in 2000.

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2024, 02:05:56 PM »
I would suggest you can only judge it year by year , if the best is a mid take a mid if it’s a KPF pick him, just don’t waste it, I would also suggest that in my mind we are almost bankrupt in the KPF and need to invest in a couple a bit like Hawthorn when got Buddy and Roughy, seemed to climb the ladder quicker than us at that time but in a very similar position by addressing their big key forward stocks.

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2024, 07:50:52 PM »
I just wonder if the expectation of #1 and the romanticism that people have with a big key forward is too much to handle for a lot of blokes who can probably play but cannot hack it.

KPF with a pick 5-15 seems to be a good idea and more successful. Less pressure.

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2024, 03:14:37 PM »
Is there a clear No.1 Draft Pick?

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2024, 03:34:02 PM »
No but smillie is highly regarded and fair enough. Could be the next bont

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2024, 12:24:10 AM »
The Pick 1 prospects up for grabs as Tigers and Roos prepare to battle

Mitch Keating
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July 30, 2024


It won't be close to the biggest game of Round 21, considering how tight this year's finals race is shaping up to be, but Saturday's meeting between North Melbourne and Richmond at Marvel Stadium will have respective fanbases on the edge of their seats.

The result is sure to have both leaving Docklands with mixed emotions too, with the victorious side likely to avoid the wooden spoon while the other will have their hands firmly on Pick 1.

No club wants to sit on the 18th rung by the end of the season, but every side would love to start the draft with the opening selection come November.

It's a situation the Kangaroos are all too familiar with, having entered Round 24 last year with a chance to either remain at the foot of the ladder or end their 20-game losing run and hand West Coast the wooden spoon while avoiding the third straight of their own.

The latter would unfold through a 35-point win over Gold Coast in Tasmania - a result that has since been met with criticism as the Roos gave up their place at the front of the queue for top draft star Harley Reid.

While this weekend's game against the Tigers won't define the draft order, it's set to have a significant say on who has first dibs on draft night.

Richmond trail the Roos by 1.7% on the ladder, with both sides stuck on two wins from their opening 19 matches in 2024. A third victory will give the successful side some breathing space and likely place them level on points with West Coast, who aren't out of the wooden spoon race either, by the end of the week.

But unlike last year's defining matches for the cellar-dwelling sides, there is no Harley Reid equivalent atop this year's draft board to fight over, with the class of 2024 offering a deep and level pool of prospects.

Richmond and North Melbourne could have their sights on the same teenager however, meaning a loss this weekend may give them the puzzle piece they're chasing and leave the other to look elsewhere.

That prospect might just be Easter Ranges bull Josh Smillie, who is one of several contenders for Pick 1 this year. Smillie, a Patrick Cripps-type ball-winner given his size and strength while stopping the tape at 194cm, was quick to place himself toward the top of the tree thanks to a dominant start to his Talent League season before stepping up to Vic Metro duties.

While the National Championships didn't bear as much fruit as his efforts at the lower level, AFL scouts are sure to have seen more than enough to have Smillie in the Pick 1 conversation if they didn't already.

The big-bodied onballer is among the midfield-heavy top end of his draft class, and he also boasts a name familiar to keen Tigers fans: Jagga Smith.

The Richmond native has suited up for the Tigers' VFL side over the past fortnight and has slotted into senior action seamlessly, adding another chapter to his draft campaign after dominant displays with the Oakleigh Chargers, Vic Metro and the AFL Academy, performing alongside Smillie with the latter two.

While Smith doesn't come close to the brute force Smillie can provide at the coalface, he does boast a ball-winning craft and cunning inside-outside nous through midfield that few others can challenge.

The Vic Metro pair are joined by teammate and Brisbane father-son prospect Levi Ashcroft in being touted as potential Pick 1 options, but the chance of the Tigers or Roos forcing the Lions to pay up with the first pick is unlikely.

Should they hold the opening selection, the Roos may lean toward the versatile Smillie over Smith given the current profile of their midfield ensemble. Koroit product Finn O'Sullivan can't be discounted either despite his interrupted year due to injury.

Both Richmond and North Melbourne are sure to have South Australian Sid Draper in their sights also, with the South Adelaide teenager a constant name among the Panthers' best performers at the state league level in recent weeks.

Larke Medal winner Harvey Langford significantly strengthened his draft stocks across the National Championships with Vic Country in the absence of the aforementioned O'Sullivan, with Gold Coast Academy member Leonardo Lombard, Western Australia captain Bo Allan and Sandringham Dragons ace Murphy Reid making up a small percentage of the starring midfield talent that has been on show in 2024.

Many may argue that the Kangaroos might need to look away from the pool of midfielders with their opening selection, with the U18s carnival-winning Luke Trainor being a suitable selection as the leading key defender this year.

The grandson of 1000-goal Geelong and North Melbourne great Doug Wade, Trainor's year has been consistently impressive, with arguably his best patch arising with the AFL Academy against VFL clubs Coburg and Footscray.

There's a chance the Kangaroos might be most keen on Trainor of all and hold the view they could attain the Old Brighton talent several spots after Pick 1. The consideration could open the door for the Kangaroos to split their selection to potentially get access to Trainor and another top prospect on the opening night.

Key forward Harry Armstrong and Whitlock twins Matt and Jack are among the best key position prospects on offer this year and will flirt with the top 10 range, while Murray Bushrangers livewire Joe Berry could be a fitting addition as arguably this year's best small forward.

Richmond's thinking at the top of the draft board should be more streamlined given they could have their hands on multiple first-round picks and wouldn't need to widen their hand through moving on Pick 1, as the futures of Liam Baker, Daniel Rioli, Dustin Martin and Jack Graham are weighed up ahead of the player movement period.

One of this year's top midfielders will find their way to Punt Road, and it could be the familiar Smith who pulls on the yellow and black next year. O'Sullivan, Langford and Vic Country gun Sam Lalor are others who could be in contention if it's not Smith or Smillie picked by the Tigers.

West Coast will play a role in unravelling this year's final draft order as they face the Kangaroos in Round 22. If the Roos fall to the Tigers this weekend before bouncing back against the Eagles, the match could level all three sides on three wins for the year.

That scenario would lead to an enticing final fortnight of the season as all three sides are separated by percentage alone, meaning the Eagles could make it back-to-back Pick 1 selections if they suffer significant enough defeats to contenders Carlton and Geelong to see out their season.

Smillie might be the kid the Eagles opt for. At the same time, Harley Reid's old teammate O'Sullivan would be a nice addition to an emerging midfield pack that also consists of locals Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett.

https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-draft-the-pick-1-prospects-up-for-grabs-as-tigers-and-roos-prepare-to-battle-153471/

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2024, 12:36:44 AM »
Unique draft year looms as Roos-Tigers set to decide wooden spoon

Saturday's clash between the Tigers and Roos could lock in the No.1 pick, but the player to be selected is far from decided

By Callum Twomey
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30 July 2024


THERE won't be a draftee's name attached to this week's wooden spoon decider between Richmond and North Melbourne.

There won't be anything like the 'Need for Reid', 'Sam Walsh silverware' or the 'Kreuzer cup' that has adorned the battle of the bottom across history.

The loser of Saturday's clash at Marvel Stadium will all but lock in the No.1 pick for this season but the player to be selected in the prestigious slot is far from decided.

Clubs are looking at the 2024 draft crop with excited eyes at the depth, but it is shaping as a unique year at the top with as many as eight players raised by recruiters as having potential No.1 credentials.

Josh Smillie, Finn O'Sullivan, Jagga Smith, Harvey Langford, Sid Draper, Murphy Reid, Luke Trainor, Levi Ashcroft and Sam Lalor are all in the group put forward by scouts as being contenders for perhaps the widest ever race for the top pick.

Fresh off two years of Harley mania leading up to the 2023 draft, where the Bendigo prospect was nominated at the No.1 selection well before West Coast made it official, this year's crop has a top group still fighting for ascendancy.

Smillie is a 194cm midfielder who dominated the start of the season with the Eastern Ranges and had good moments throughout Vic Metro's carnival without the commanding performances.

O'Sullivan was a bottom-aged All-Australian for Vic Country last year and has the size, run and traits to be a very early pick but injuries have limited him in his draft season.

Smith's performances in the VFL in the past two weeks for Richmond – a 31-disposal debut and 27 disposals on Sunday against Collingwood – further illustrated his ball-winning capacity, while Draper's form for South Adelaide at League level has also further underlined his capabilities.

Langford and Murphy Reid are two who have risen into the mix through consistent performances this season.

Langford is a taller midfielder who has barely had a bad day all season and takes the game forward with penetration to be named a joint winner of the Larke Medal while Murphy Reid's creativity, class and poise has made him a standout and the winner of Vic Metro's most valuable player award at the Marsh Under-18 Championships.

Some clubs rate Trainor a top-five prospect and as the best tall in the group, while Lalor's impact and highlights put him in the early draft conversation but he is the wildcard in the No.1 discussion more than one of the favourites.

Ashcroft is as credentialed as any other player in the pool across his junior career but a father-son prospect has never been bid on at No.1 and recruiters don't think that will happen this year either.

No clear No.1 prospect means the end of the season, respective finals series across the country and then the Draft Combine carry greater weight for the club that ends up with the first pick. 

All clubs with early picks will be open to discussions on splitting their top selection. But the same reason for their willingness to do that – getting two early picks for one in this draft will likely be better than one – will be the same reason clubs will likely be reluctant to give up too much to move up the order. Some recruiters think given the spread of opinions on the top group, clubs could get a player they rank in the top three back at No.6, 7 or 8.

Sydney's experienced national recruiting manager Kinnear Beatson last week mirrored the view of the even top end, saying he still had a number of players vying to be the best in the draft.

"Probably about five or six to be honest with you. It would be a hard pick at the moment if you had pick one or two thinking 'Boy, what are we going to do here?' because it keeps moving," Beatson told Gettable.

Riley Beveridge and Cal Twomey are joined by Sydney national recruiting manager Kinnear Beatson, provide a quick fix and answer your questions

It may come down to who has the selection, with Saturday's clash expected to be enough to decide that heading into the trade period.

If Richmond claims the wooden spoon, it will be the first team since West Coast in 2010 to finish last four years after a premiership. Melbourne, which went from premier to a spoon in three years from 1948 to 1951 in a 12-team competition, hold the record for the quickest drop after a flag.

For North, a loss would likely leave it with its fifth straight bottom-two finish on the ladder.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1184323/unique-draft-year-looms-as-north-melbourne-kangaroos-richmond-tigers-set-to-decide-wooden-spoon

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Re: Pick 1
« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2024, 04:40:09 PM »
Well pick 1 is ours  :-\.
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