Carlton-Judd threads [merged]

[mightytiges]

no deal has been done, wait until at least wednesday.

Let's hope so rogerd3 and the latest speculation of that Carlton-favoured deal being annouced on Tuesday is garbage.

[one-eyed]

SEN news (11pm) is still saying the Eagles are after picks 1 & 3 while Carlton is willing to offer up Kennedy. They restart their negogiations tomorrow.

[one-eyed]

Judd AFL deal talks set to formally open
October 7, 2007 - 9:57PM | The Age

Carlton and West Coast formally start work on Monday on the much-anticipated Chris Judd deal when the AFL's trade week opens.

The former Eagles captain and 2004 Brownlow Medallist is the No.1 story of this trade period, which ends on Friday at 2pm.

Soon after West Coast narrowly lost their semi-final last month to Collingwood, Judd compounded the misery when he told them he wanted to return to his home state for personal reasons.

That sparked a torrent of speculation and intense interest from clubs, with the Blues winning the contest to be Judd's preferred new home.

But now they must strike a deal with the Eagles.

West Coast want Carlton's No.1 and No.3 picks in the draft, but the Blues say the top pick is not on the table.

While there is speculation young Carlton player Josh Kennedy might also be part of the deal, this is yet to be confirmed.

Richmond could also become involved if Carlton's negotiations with the Eagles break down.

The Tigers might try to manufacture a deal with Carlton that locks out West Coast and sends Judd to the Blues in the pre-season draft.

"We'll know a lot more tomorrow, won't we? We'll see what happens ... it hasn't really changed," said Blues chief executive Greg Swann.

"You'd obviously like to get it done early, but if it doesn't get done early, that's no dramas either.

"You've just got to get the right deal and if that takes longer, then so be it.

"We haven't really spoken to them about what they want, so we'll see what they say tomorrow."

Swann added Richmond would be a keen observer of the initial talks between his club and the Eagles.

"They're positioning themselves as Plan B - with us and West Coast," he said.

"They've obviously got some relevance, but they're going to have to wait and see what happens."

The clubs will have their first meetings from 10.30 tomorrow morning at Telstra Dome.

http://news.realfooty.com.au/judd-afl-deal-talks-set-to-formally-open/20070707-1306.html

[one-eyed]

Judd takes centre stage in trade week
08 October 2007   Herald Sun
Daryl Timms

 AFL trade week kicks off in Melbourne today with Carlton and West Coast booked to have their first formal talks about Chris Judd.

With clubs having until 2pm on Friday to complete trades, West Coast will continue to demand that part of Judd's move to Carlton includes the Blues' No. 1 pick in next month's national draft.

Eagles chief executive Trevor Nisbett said last night the Eagles still believed it was only fair they got Carlton's No. 1 pick as part of a package in exchange for one of the competition's best players of the past decade.

There has also been speculation of Carlton and Richmond doing a deal in which the Blues take Judd as an uncontracted player in the pre-season draft without giving the Eagles anything in exchange.

But Judd's decision to nominate Carlton as his club of choice has some clubs questioning what constitutes draft tampering and manipulation.

Judd nominated only four clubs he was prepared to play with - Carlton, Melbourne, Collingwood and Essendon - before selecting the Blues. Some club officials also say that what Judd has done is little more than a form of free agency.

Nisbett said the Eagles would continue to fight for what they believed was appropriate compensation from Carlton.

"A lot has been said in recent days, but really nothing has been said," Nisbett said. "The recruiting people will be having talks (today) and we'll take it from there. It will be good to have face-to-face talks."

Nisbett said it was too early to speculate whether the Eagles could negotiate with Richmond, but conceded the Tigers' No. 2 selection would obviously be more attractive than the selection Carlton was prepared to offer: No. 3.

The Blues want to retain the No. 1 selection in the national draft to recruit Northern Knights teenager Matthew Kreuzer, an exciting ruck prospect.

Richmond football manager Greg Miller said the Tigers would look at Judd if a deal wasn't done with Carlton, but thought the clubs would come to an agreement.

He said there was no point in spending an enormous amount of effort in trying to get Judd if it was a waste of time.

"We'll just sit back and see what happens," Miller said.

"But it's all problematical. We are interested in who finishes with the No. 1 selection as it will have a bearing on who we take at No. 2."

Miller said the club had not been approached by Carlton to be involved in any deal.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22548196%255E20322,00.html

[{X}]

so what do we do

miller is interested in who gets 1, i think because we are pretty sure that if the WCE get pick 1, they will pick cotchin(they wont give a poo about what his dad said). So that leaves Kruezer for us and mortone wont even figure.

if the blues keep 1, they will get kruezer, and we will decide b/w cotchin and morton.

maybe we shoudl say f it, lets work with the blues to get what we want, lets give them say jay schulz and krak or tiv for pick 3. this was the blues will get judd with just giving up pick 3 and keeping 1 and losing nothing else but we end up with 2 and 3 which is damn good. sure we will miss out on jud but who cares in the end, no one ever saw the pies win a flag with buckley and really no one really knows how judd will play in a crap team without the protection of all those hard and experienced eagle boys

the only way i want judd is he ends up in the draft and we cant get pick 3 off the blues or if the eagles will accept a trade of say 2 or 3 players of ours with no picks

[wayne]

so what do we do

I'd be happy with picks 2, 3, 18, 19, 20 and let Juddas slide.

[{X}]

so what do we do

I'd be happy with picks 2, 3, 18, 19, 20 and let Juddas slide.

i reckon that would be the best thing for us , and thinking about realistically, its our best plan

[wayne]

so what do we do

I'd be happy with picks 2, 3, 18, 19, 20 and let Juddas slide.

i reckon that would be the best thing for us , and thinking about realistically, its our best plan

Further to that
Pick 2 (draft Cotchin or Morton)
Pick 3 (trade for Brock McLean)
Pick 18 (draft best available KPP)
Pick 19 (trade for Cameron Wood)
Pick 20 (draft best available player)

[one-eyed]

Miller was briefly interviewed at the trade meet and he is still saying the odds are very slim as far as Judd goes as players normally get to their club of choice.

KB this morning was still pushing us to chase hard as we have the first PSD pick.

[one-eyed]

No surprise but Swann said no deal will be done today. Ch 9 news still saying Carlton and us may do a deal.

[tigersalive]

No surprise but Swann said no deal will be done today. Ch 9 news still saying Carlton and us may do a deal.

[mightytiges]

so what do we do

miller is interested in who gets 1, i think because we are pretty sure that if the WCE get pick 1, they will pick cotchin(they wont give a pooh about what his dad said). So that leaves Kruezer for us and mortone wont even figure.

if the blues keep 1, they will get kruezer, and we will decide b/w cotchin and morton.

maybe we shoudl say f it, lets work with the blues to get what we want, lets give them say jay schulz and krak or tiv for pick 3. this was the blues will get judd with just giving up pick 3 and keeping 1 and losing nothing else but we end up with 2 and 3 which is damn good. sure we will miss out on jud but who cares in the end, no one ever saw the pies win a flag with buckley and really no one really knows how judd will play in a crap team without the protection of all those hard and experienced eagle boys

the only way i want judd is he ends up in the draft and we cant get pick 3 off the blues or if the eagles will accept a trade of say 2 or 3 players of ours with no picks

As much as I hate the thought of us helping Carlton get Judd on the cheap that's a realistic option for us X as far as getting something decent out of any Judd trade. No short-term benefit but having picks 2, 3, 18 and 19 would bring another wave of quality kids through and build list depth in the long-term. Better at least than being on the outer of the Judd trade and getting nothing.

IMO all this media talk is purely tactical. Each club trying to force the other into accepting less than they want. Carlton making out they'll do a deal with us to scare the Eagles into thinking they will get nothing for Judd if they keep asking for pick 1; the Eagles talking to us about pick 2 and threatening to send Judd to the PSD to force the Blues to cough up pick 1 or miss out on Judd.

We've got to keep telling the Eagles we're interested so they keep demanding pick 1 from Carlton thinking they have us a plan B. Also put out signals to Carlton that we may consider a deal with them to play on their greed to get Judd on the cheap. The longer we can keep the schism between the Eagles and Carlton going this week the better the chance we have of Eagles going screw this and send Judd off to the PSD.    

[Fishfinger]

I'll be pretty disappointed if we do a deal with Carlton, on 2 levels.
One - helping Carlton, no way.
Two - burn the Eagles and we'll get burnt right back in the future.

[the_boy_jake]

Why don't we do what Ox suggested and take 3 and 20 to sit out the PSD, then knife Carlton and take Judd is the PSD anyway.

The cheats would get what they deserve and the AFL would be forced to completely overhaul this broken system - why is the NRL just as (if not much more) competitive without a draft?

Would be doing the footy world a great service IMO.

[one-eyed]

Miller today:

"We're not in cahoots with Carlton, we haven’t spoken to them at all," Miller declared while brushing past reporters on his way into Telstra Dome on Monday morning for the start of Trade Week talks.

"I would doubt it very much; I think that's just some leverage that they can use through the media."

"They haven't even spoken to us so that's very doubtful."
 
http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/tigers-dismiss-blues-on-judd-36949

Audio
http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/mediaplayer/audio/AFL/greg-miller-on-judd-and-blake-1066