David Gourdis [merged]

[yellowandback]

I don't understand...

We can rookie Gourdis, right?

So I understand going through all of this Polak business if we had wanted someone that Sydney could rookie before us (Klemke). But if we are taking Gourdis, why not take Cousins in the PSD @ 6 and rookie Gourdis?

Word is that Freo like Gourdis at their rookie pick which is before our's.

FWIW I still think we'll take Gourdis and Klemke in the PSD and that the Cousins stuff is a bit of hoo haa.

Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.

[Hes My Hero]

Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.

The clubs don't have to allow it Y&B. They were only asked for their opinion.
The final verdict rests on the shoulders of the AFL commision. They will pass down their decision as they see fit on Monday.

[mightytiges]

Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.
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The clubs don't have to allow it Y&B. They were only asked for their opinion.
The final verdict rests on the shoulders of the AFL commision. They will pass down their decision as they see fit on Monday.

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Yep it appears the AFL commission won't block it if it's only one or two clubs sooking. Hawthorn, Essendon, Melbourne have publicly said yes to our application.

Pick 6: David Gourdis
Pick 7: Ben Cousins

[yellowandback]

Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.

The clubs don't have to allow it Y&B. They were only asked for their opinion.
The final verdict rests on the shoulders of the AFL commision. They will pass down their decision as they see fit on Monday.

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MT, I thought that might be the case, but there has been conflicting reports in the press. The only nagging doubt that I have is with the intentions of the Bombers. A guy at work knows a board member at Bomber land who mentioned the Bombers were keen only last week. I hope he heard wrong.
Yep it appears the AFL commission won't block it if it's only one or two clubs sooking. Hawthorn, Essendon, Melbourne have publicly said yes to our application.

Pick 6: David Gourdis
Pick 7: Ben Cousins
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[mightytiges]

Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.

The clubs don't have to allow it Y&B. They were only asked for their opinion.
The final verdict rests on the shoulders of the AFL commision. They will pass down their decision as they see fit on Monday.

Yep it appears the AFL commission won't block it if it's only one or two clubs sooking. Hawthorn, Essendon, Melbourne have publicly said yes to our application.

Pick 6: David Gourdis
Pick 7: Ben Cousins
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MT, I thought that might be the case, but there has been conflicting reports in the press. The only nagging doubt that I have is with the intentions of the Bombers. A guy at work knows a board member at Bomber land who mentioned the Bombers were keen only last week. I hope he heard wrong.
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Peter Jackson, their CEO, was the most vocal supporter of all the opposition clubs in the papers this morning. Miller said this morning that's because we were the most vocal supporter when they wanted to Rama as a mature rookie. A case of you scratch my back and I scratch yours.

[yellowandback]

It seems too big a story for any other club than Richmond to pick him up. I just hope this renewed interest by the Tigers/Media does not prick the interest of another club. 

I almost wish the Tigers said nothing and then just picked him up out of the blue on Tuesday with their 1st pick. If this went belly up now, it would be a bit of a downer for everyone.

[the_boy_jake]

Agree Y&B.

I think Melbourne are out given their position on taking youth at every opportunity. Port comitted to Carr. Carlton have said no and are probably right with their midfield, but wouldn't be surprised if they got keen at the last minute. Essendon agree is most likely. Brisbane had sponsor troubles IIRC so would need a backflip there.

On a different note, what does having Polak as a mature rookie mean for our TPP?

[peggles]

We can rookie Gourdis but clubs with picks before us (like Freo) can grab him first before our pick 8.

If we're redrafting Gourdis in the PSD then we either don't rate Klemke or don't believe the Swans want him.

realise that completely MT.  my problem with the footy department is that if they wanted gourdis, then they shouldn't have delisted him in the first place.  if they were delisting him with the view of putting him on the rookie list (which i totally support), then our plans shouldn't change just because some club may take him before us in the rookie draft.  if they deem him rookie draft material, then they should run the risk of losing him instead of doing a backflip

[mightytiges]

On a different note, what does having Polak as a mature rookie mean for our TPP?

I presume if Polly is allowed to go onto the rookie list his salary isn't included inside our salary cap. Gourdis was already on our senior list so no change there if he is redrafted at pick 6. Cousins would have to end up on a base wage as he's in no bargaining position to demand big $$$. The AFL would have looked at the TPPs after the 3rd list lodgement and as they've said nothing about us having 1 or 2 PSD picks our TPP must be fine and under the cap.


Carlton will take ex-Demon Chris Johnson btw.

1. Melb - ?.....best kid available
2. Port - Josh Carr
3. Ess - ?..... maybe Hayden Skipworth
4. Carl - Chris Johnson
5. Bris - Tippett or a promoted rookie
6. Rich - David Gourdis
7. Rich - Ben Cousins

[mightytiges]

We can rookie Gourdis but clubs with picks before us (like Freo) can grab him first before our pick 8.

If we're redrafting Gourdis in the PSD then we either don't rate Klemke or don't believe the Swans want him.

realise that completely MT.  my problem with the footy department is that if they wanted gourdis, then they shouldn't have delisted him in the first place.  if they were delisting him with the view of putting him on the rookie list (which i totally support), then our plans shouldn't change just because some club may take him before us in the rookie draft.  if they deem him rookie draft material, then they should run the risk of losing him instead of doing a backflip

Brisbane picking up Bart McCulloch mucked up our plans. We wouldn't have had a PSD pick if McCulloch slipped to pick 70 and would've had to risk Gourdis going to Freo in the rookie draft. Presumably after looking at all these remaining kids training with us Craig Cameron and Francis Jackson don't consider them any better than Gourdis.

[WilliamPowell]

SEN are claiming we have already notified Gourdis that we will be redrafting him in the PSD with pick 6.

Have SEN added anymore info to original "claim"?

Must say it seems strange if true...

[torch]

Richmond are dumb!

it must be that!

why delist Gourdis at the end of '08???

then think about putting him on the rookie list but now because we have "heard rumors fremantle" are interested in him, we get scared like girls and say "we take him with our pick 6"???

Richmond have no men running that club.

i though Gourdis needed time. but no, we delist him. i heard he had depression???

i hope Polak is moved to the rookie.

i am not in favour of Cousins at Richmond, but if it happenes i will not complain.

WHAT HAPPENED TO RICHMOND'S "GOING WITH YOUTH POLICY"???

i hope we draft two 17 year olds and get Gourdis in the Rookie.

if he goes before our 1st rookie pick, then stiff Richmond, you stupid nuff nuffs should of kept him!

why can't we Rookie Cousins??? he can play half the year and get paid less then if on the senior list.

though i don't think he would take that! but, if he is desperate then why not???

[Infamy]

The AFL would have to allow Cousins as a rookie, at least Polak has a genuine reason to be put on the rookie list following the Ramanaskas precedent. Allowing Cousins as a rookie would create a whole new rule specifically for him which I can't see happening.


As for Gourdis, there's nothing wrong with the club cutting a player to keep their options open and then pick them up again once evaluating the talent on offer. It's not like it's never been done before, obviously they consider Gourdis worth keeping and don't want to risk losing him to another club in the rookie draft, so how about you armchair critics get over it.

[one-eyed]

Here's some footage of Gourdis training this week

http://player.video.news.com.au/heraldsun/#O4l2J1X49qkinXMAYkA_OEUsS_9_d7ym

[TigerLand]

Any feel for this kid I mean the pressure of getting into the best 22 is one thing but being the guy that we take instead of Ben Cousins is a massive load of pressure to take on..

Richard Tambling only last year looked to have shaken the monkey off his back from all the media rubbish put on him because he should have been Franklin crap went around for years.

We must take Cousins and hope Gourdis survives 7 picks in Rookie Draft otherwise we're left with no Cousins and a nervous Gourdis trying to keep his contract into 2010 while being the guy that was in the way of a Ben Cousins Richmond debut....

Thoghts?