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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #90 on: April 04, 2008, 09:04:49 PM »
everyone is intitled to their opinion of Dutchy but l liked him
if anyone ripped me off on a contract,  l would be taking them to court also as would anybody who is promised a contract.
this is there living its a sport but thats there income its like going to work for nothing
Dont balme Dutchy for whats happening,  he was offered to leave but RFC insisted he stay & be loyal
They offered him something they couldnot afford & have defaulted
now RFC & the supporters will suffer for a greedy buisnessman & his sidekick for bad trading which we all are used too
Nothing seems to change at Richmond & after the AFL go through the club looking at everything, the ghosts are going to come out to haunt us  "shaky hands on pub taps"  :shh
from what l was told the AFL will make a example out of us & have instructed a full investigation on the club

l fear the worst  :'( :'( :'(  :help
I am very good friends with the people he came to live with when he first came to Melbourne.
I've met him a few times and he appears to be a nice bloke.  I've met his folks and his older brother and they seem like a great family.  I have nothing against Ben personally, but am gobsmacked he would do something like this.
Thought he'd found his niche up back after many years competing with Richo on the forward line.
And was disappointed when he went to Melbourne.
If he's been screwed by Casey and co, maybe we deserve to pay.
But who pays?  The supporters do.
And frankly, I don't think we deserve it after all the crap we've put up with.
So I won't be feeling too sympathetic with him if the AFL come down on us.
I think players are remunerated very nicely, and he should have set himself up financially after playing all these years and not have to resort to this money grab.

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #91 on: April 05, 2008, 01:38:30 AM »
have no hesitation in saying I voted for the Casey ticket as the alternative was... well it wasn't a credible alternative IMV

BTW The current board is the Casey ticket minus Casey ;D and they have done a great job in the last couple of years ... dare I say it ....FACT  :rollin

Its a fact when there is a premiership cup in the cupboard. Not wooden spoons.

Its disingenuous to say you voted for the current board. You voted for Casey and Miller, both of whom are entirely discredited

Come on MT, put your hand up
Like WP I don't sway away from voting for the Casey ticket. Seriously the Big 4 ticket challenge or whatever it was called was a joke. They wanted to take us back to 1999  :help. I'm comfortable with my choice given the stability, long-term planning including improved and more facilities, and sound financial progress which hadn't existed at Punt Rd for 25 years prior to 2005. Sure this improved off-field position hasn't transferred to on-field yet but it was always going to be a long-haul going down the youth path from where we were.

And I did vote for the entire board. Although there were two 9 person tickets, we all could vote for individual candidates. 8 of those 9 are still there and Penny Haines >>> Casey. There's been no challenges (anyone would be silly challenging a $1 million profit).

Those who voted for the other ticket should also put their hand up for supporting Schwab and co who were also on the board along with Casey when these idiotic decisions were made.
But to be fair MT, you need to put the whole thing in perspective.  Its not correct to say that financial progress hadn't existed for 25 years - in fact the previous Daphne administration had put the club back on a very sound financial footing after a long period of mismanagement and decline but this position of strength was decimated by the spending excesses of the Casey team.  Casey came to power on a promise of dynamic change, highlighting Daphne's shortcomings in producing success on the field and yet history shows that Daphne's era was more successful, both on and off field.  Yes, I acknowledge that Schwab and the others that resigned were guilty of being a part of the Casey bungling but at least they had the fortitude to stand up and say this is no good.  By forcing the election they dismantled Casey's power base and from that moment we started to turn things around.
I felt that both tenures still misguidedly equated profit to on-field success. Sure Daphne made small profits and after Neville Crowe got us back in the black but the fear of SOS still lingered over the club in its decision making. An attitude of it's better off being mediocre than making the tough decisions and taking a hit for the long-term good (a la promising action yet doing nothing after the disaster of R22 1998 and then signing up Daffy, Richo, Knights and Cambo to $$$ long contracts in 1999 which came back to bite the club especially with Daffy). Off-field sure the JDF was set up but boosting expenditure in key areas like improving facilities and recruiting was kept to a minimum so we kept our heads above water. We were also a laughing stock going through 4 coaches in 5 years that only Spud wanted to coach us. Casey on the other hand did increase expenditure. Problem was with money we didn't have hoping spending more money on the (dud) footy dept would pay dividends as it did in 2001 when we made the finals (3 years and a $3m loss later it obviously didn't). We finally have a board and more importantly a CEO who can deliver profits independent of on-field results (and thank god for that) and can stick to a long-term objective.

Politically the alternative ticket had the front running but they stumbled about and were indecisive allowing Casey with Miller's help to eventually trump them. The threat of a EGM and a takeover (no election) was poorly managed as the average member wanted their say in an election (there hadn't been one in years except for Cornel Sanders losing out to Matthies in 2003). Their publications were too handwavey and lacking in detail on how they would achieve targets. I still have their brochure somewhere and the first paragraph was a glowing endorcement of the state of the club in 1999. IMO it was embarrassing. They spent too much time being anti-Casey talking about the past rather than just focussing on the future. The fact they lost what should have been an unloseable election is a sad indictment on how poorly they managed their campaign. I'm glad they didn't get anywhere near the boardroom. I'm not unhappy either that Casey stood down a year later.

Anyway that's now ancient history and we all want what's best for the club in the future. They main thing now is to see what happens with Holland's writ and hope we don't get screwed at the draft table  :-\
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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #92 on: April 05, 2008, 02:05:55 AM »
Id suggest that RFC needs to be looking at every single such deal the club "may have had" and see if we were close to salary caps in any particular years where that may have been the case.
How retrospective should this be though. What if a player from the late 90s came out and claimed he was owed a Nissan which was outside the cap. I'm no legal wizz but I was under the impression certain civil claims have a 6 year limit. Hmmm submitting a writ in Oct 2007 would be right on the end of that 6 years.

Like I said it is very suss for a player in his final year of footy to finally start chasing money. Surely if any monies/contra were outstanding he would have known about it the day he was traded instead of waiting till 5 years later.  

if your owed money by someone after taking them to court & they refuse to pay it or have no money, you can continue to take them to the court register for upto 15 years which l did to this unclever prick.   l just let the interest mount up at 12% on 5k while he thought he got away with it & goes on with life
found out & proved his working & found out his got a house in his name now & a nice Honda car  ;D so my solictor slapped him with a bankrupt notice  ;D just to show him not to eff with me & that l'm his prick of misery  :lol :lol  :thumbsup
l find out the result next week it should be fun

Then l got another one who thinks his clever & going to try the same thing l got news for him
l'm also trying to get the law changed so that every car on the road in Victoria must be insured to be allowed to be driven on the road
l will fight hard to have this law brought in just like in the UK if your car is not insured it gets crushed  :lol  ;D wish me luck

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Frawley denies Tigers cap rort (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #93 on: April 05, 2008, 03:49:53 AM »
Frawley denies Tigers cap rort
Sam Edmund | April 05, 2008 | Herald-Sun

FORMER Richmond coach Danny Frawley has admitted several Tigers players struck property deals with former president Clinton Casey. As the AFL launched as investigation into possible salary cap breaches by Richmond, Frawley said last night he was aware of his players buying property owned by Casey.

"Yeah I think I'm aware without giving specifics. The Torquay development down there may have been one," Frawley said.

"But to my knowledge, under my tenure, I have no inclination that the club was dealing outside the salary cap."

Former Richmond player Ben Holland is suing Casey and his old club for $530,000 in loss and damages.

He claims he was promised a range of business and investment opportunities he never received while at a Crown casino meeting with Frawley and Casey in late 2001.

Holland has issued a Supreme Court writ in which he alleges, among other things, that Casey offered him priority access to a $180,000 block of land at a Sandhurst development that he could re-sell for a large profit.

"Clinton proceeded to talk about business opportunities (at the meeting) and that's all they were, opportunities," Frawley told Triple M.

"There were no words like 'promise' or 'guarantee'. There was one word; 'opportunity'.

"I would put my hand on my heart and swear on my mothers grave that to my knowledge, the Richmond Football Club in my time did not deal outside the salary cap."

Holland's writ alleges the offers, made in late 2001, were designed to make-up the difference between an $800,000 three-year deal to re-sign with Richmond and a $1.33 million three-year rival offer from the Adelaide Crows.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said the alleged offers to Holland, if proven true, would be in breach of the salary cap.

"If it's true . . . yes it would be, you can't do that," Demetriou said.

"It's a matter for the courts. We'll see where it goes."

Demetriou revealed he met Holland and then Richmond CEO Mark Brayshaw in his former role as football operations manager in late 2001 as the Tigers sought ways to make the difference between the Richmond and Adelaide offers.

"The issue back then was, was there a way that under the rules of the salary cap, whether Richmond Football Club could pay him any more ---- and the answer was no," he said.

Brayshaw yesterday told the Herald Sun he didn't believe the offers made to Holland broke salary cap rules.

"To my knowledge, no, but I'm on the board of the Kangaroos and I really don't want to comment," he said.

Richmond chief executive Steven Wright said the Tigers would defend the allegations.

In 2005 the AFL launched a major investigation into property investments involving players to ensure they weren't part of a strategy to get around the salary cap.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23486643-19742,00.html

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Extra incentives not new to footy - Mike Sheahan
« Reply #94 on: April 05, 2008, 03:52:27 AM »
Extra incentives not new to footy
Mike Sheahan | April 05, 2008 | Herald-Sun

THERE were murmurings about Richmond and its innovative negotiating style each time it signed or re-signed a big name during Clinton Casey's tenure.

Ben Holland in 2001 when he suddenly aborted plans to join Adelaide, Kane Johnson, Nathan Brown and Troy Simmonds when they joined the Tigers from other clubs, Matthew Richardson and one or two others when they came out of contract.

The most popular version of the story had Casey inviting the player of the moment to join him in a helicopter ride.

The trip would take the party over a golf estate owned by the Casey group of companies somewhere within 90km of Melbourne, with the Richmond president inviting the player to nominate a block of land he fancied.

The player would be told he could purchase the land at a specific price before the subdivision went to the market.

According to folklore, if the land failed to realise the nominated price, Casey would make up the difference; if it went for more than the nominated price, which it inevitably would, the player would get the profit.

Ben Holland's explosive claims in a writ against Richmond and Casey (president from 2000-05) has given credence to the story.

Holland's allegation leaves the AFL no alternative but to undertake a thorough investigation.

The AFL has been aware of the rumours since 2001, but inquiries by Investigations Manager Ken Wood apparently led nowhere.

Now there's a current player suggesting a course of events that would seem to breach the provisions of the Total Player Payments (salary cap).

Holland, now at Melbourne, is understood to have lodged documents in October last year to beat the statute of limitations, apparently hoping they would sit there until he finished his career.

The story finally broke on the Footy Show on Thursday night.

Holland is claiming $530,000 in unpaid benefits, the difference between an offer from Adelaide late in 2001 and the verbal response from Richmond that kept him at Punt Road for a further two years.

He crossed to Melbourne after the 2003 season after 125 games for the Tigers in eight seasons.

Richmond has had legal advisers investigating the situation for several weeks and is understood to be confident it was not in breach of the TPP.

Casey, who is overseas, was advised of the substance of the story by Richmond official Greg Miller in a telephone call yesterday.

While Richmond obviously is the party in the spotlight and under pressure, surely Holland has left himself in a precarious position, too.

During his time at Richmond, he was required to sign the standard player contract and an accompanying statutory declaration that each and every benefit was listed in detail in the contract.

According to his writ, there were benefits not listed in the contract.

Whether Richmond is in trouble or not, the issue again puts the focus on benefits to players that may or may not be outside the TPP.

Why can't a club official in property offer a player a block of land below nominal market value if he so chooses?

After all, there are several clubs who facilitate specialist advice for players in the areas of property development and the stock market at discount rates. Or free.

How does a healthy discount on a block differ from favourable consideration in an allocation of new shares that duly go on the market at a healthy premium?

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/1,9191,23485845-19771,00.html

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Holland demanded compensation in 2004 - Caro
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Holland demanded compensation in 2004
Caroline Wilson | April 5, 2008 | The Age

DISGRUNTLED former Tiger Ben Holland first wrote to Richmond demanding financial compensation in late 2004 while then-president Clinton Casey was battling a board challenge on the eve of an election.

The Age understands that Casey, believing that Holland or his management would go public with the allegation that the club had promised financial inducements to the player worth more than $500,000, forwarded the letter to the AFL.

The letter was dismissed by the league on the basis that AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou had already met Holland and then-Richmond chief executive Mark Brayshaw in a bid to convince the player Richmond had no room remaining in its salary cap.

League investigator Ken Wood had already cleared a series of property investments involving parcels of land and units at Torquay, Sandhurst and Laguna Keys recommended by Casey and taken up by players including Nathan Brown, Mark Coughlan and Kane Johnson, as well as former coach Danny Frawley and football manager Greg Miller.

Holland, who has lodged a Supreme Court writ against Casey and Richmond, which will be investigated again by the AFL in case of salary-cap ramifications, is suing for $530,000 — the difference, he claims, between what Richmond paid him over a three-year deal and what Adelaide offered him at the end of 2001 as part of the failed Kane Johnson deal.

But his manager Greg Griffin last night claimed that Holland would try to avoid the courts and resolve the issue via the AFL Players Association's grievance procedure.

Griffin also denied there was a salary-cap issue but that Holland, who had not wanted his claim made public before finishing his career with the Demons, had been a player "spurned". "I don't think it's a salary-cap issue," Griffin said from Adelaide last night. "There was a representation made by (Clinton) Casey that he would mentor Ben in a business sense.

"Nathan Brown was offered something similar two years later and revealed as much on The Footy Show. Preferential dealings happen regularly all the time in football. Mark Ricciuto has an interest in three hotels with Adelaide board member Peter Hurley.

"But Ben got injured and Casey found someone else to extend his largesse to. That's basically our claim. He went from being strongly desired by Richmond to not wanted. The word spurned comes to mind."

Should Holland's alleged letter from Casey, written on Richmond letterhead in October 2001, reveal under-the-table dealings, he could be deregistered, suspended or fined.

Griffin said Holland had taken notes following the meeting at Kokos with Casey and Frawley, which occurred after the player changed his mind and told Frawley, via teammate Duncan Kellaway, that he wanted to stay at Richmond.

Frawley told The Age: "There's two sides to every story. I, too, thought the issue had been put to bed and I had no knowledge of separate payments. It wouldn't be the first time a club has advised a player with business help and property opportunities."

Crows' sources indicated that the club offered the player significantly more than he settled upon at Richmond but added that the quoted figure of $1.33 million was exaggerated.

"The club has been vigorously defending any claims that it made any inducement to Ben Holland that was outside the salary cap," Tigers' president Gary March told The Age.

"I don't think Clinton (Casey) has ever denied that he offered financial inducements to players via third party business opportunities.

"He made those offers to players, officials and coterie members. Some chose to take them up with their own money.

"Those involving players have all been scrutinised by the AFL and they have all been above board."

Tigers' chief executive Steve Wright told a news conference yesterday that the claims would be vigorously defended.

It is believed that the club, to protect itself, will distance itself from Casey during that defence if it is required.

Casey was overseas last night but also was preparing to deny the Holland claims.

March said the timing of the story was disappointing for the club. "I have apologised to the football department and the coaches and the players because it's a distraction they don't need."

Demetriou said on 3AW yesterday: "I had a meeting with Ben Holland and Mark Brayshaw, who was the then-CEO, about this matter back when I was general manager of football operations, and … I thought this was a dead issue.

"… The issue back then, was he was being offered, allegedly, $1.3 million for Adelaide? So we have to ascertain whether that's true and then that he was then offered a significant amount less for Richmond.

"Well, because the issue back then was, you know, was there any way that the Richmond Football Club pay him any more and the answer was no."

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/holland-case-clear-in-2004/2008/04/04/1207249463486.html?page=fullpage

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #96 on: April 05, 2008, 04:23:36 AM »
From ...Top dogs cannot chain the game
Patrick Smith | April 05, 2008 | The Australian

Could also have done without Ben Holland. His Supreme Court writ against Richmond and former president Coolum Casey is a tad awkward. He has basically claimed the Tigers agreed to pay him outside the salary cap.

It is all a bit stop-start. Demetriou, when he was football operations manager in 2001, spoke to Holland and Richmond officials. Demetriou claims Holland agreed to play for Richmond for $800,000 and knocked back Port Adelaide's offer of $1.3million.

When he left the Tigers in 2004, Holland wrote to the club saying the Tigers owed him heaps. Heard nothing more from Holland until the Supreme Court writ. Nothing like a little bit of alleged salary-cap rorting in your 150th year.

The AFL seems pretty comfortable with the matter. Richmond's preliminary investigation suggests the club doesn't have a case to answer. There is a difference between networking and salary-cap rorting. That probably will be Casey's defence.

Here was a businessman offering business opportunities. Happens at every club. It is a fine line. When trying to keep a player, a club will throw up a lot of scenarios. Holland has to prove Richmond offered him not an opportunity but a guarantee.

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #97 on: April 05, 2008, 09:14:02 AM »
I felt that both tenures still misguidedly equated profit to on-field success. Sure Daphne made small profits and after Neville Crowe got us back in the black but the fear of SOS still lingered over the club in its decision making. An attitude of it's better off being mediocre than making the tough decisions and taking a hit for the long-term good (a la promising action yet doing nothing after the disaster of R22 1998 and then signing up Daffy, Richo, Knights and Cambo to $$$ long contracts in 1999 which came back to bite the club especially with Daffy). Off-field sure the JDF was set up but boosting expenditure in key areas like improving facilities and recruiting was kept to a minimum so we kept our heads above water. We were also a laughing stock going through 4 coaches in 5 years that only Spud wanted to coach us. Casey on the other hand did increase expenditure. Problem was with money we didn't have hoping spending more money on the (dud) footy dept would pay dividends as it did in 2001 when we made the finals (3 years and a $3m loss later it obviously didn't). We finally have a board and more importantly a CEO who can deliver profits independent of on-field results (and thank god for that) and can stick to a long-term objective.

Politically the alternative ticket had the front running but they stumbled about and were indecisive allowing Casey with Miller's help to eventually trump them. The threat of a EGM and a takeover (no election) was poorly managed as the average member wanted their say in an election (there hadn't been one in years except for Cornel Sanders losing out to Matthies in 2003). Their publications were too handwavey and lacking in detail on how they would achieve targets. I still have their brochure somewhere and the first paragraph was a glowing endorcement of the state of the club in 1999. IMO it was embarrassing. They spent too much time being anti-Casey talking about the past rather than just focussing on the future. The fact they lost what should have been an unloseable election is a sad indictment on how poorly they managed their campaign. I'm glad they didn't get anywhere near the boardroom. I'm not unhappy either that Casey stood down a year later.

Anyway that's now ancient history and we all want what's best for the club in the future. They main thing now is to see what happens with Holland's writ and hope we don't get screwed at the draft table  :-\
I'm not going to disagree with anything you said. The election was certainly poorly managed by the rebels and in hindsight the reason was most likely that they weren't any more capable than the incumbent board.  But at least the action of forcing the issues into the open and holding the election brought Casey's shortcomings to the top for everyone to analyse.  I think if I am honest with myself, the main reason I was so vehemently anti-Casey was the thought that if he remained in control for any longer (and I'm talking a short time) then we wouldn't have had a club left to support.  And the election did force him to bring in new faces (Casey's attempts were nearly as amateurish as Schwab's - it was almost like 'rent-a-board') that eroded his powerbase, signalling the end of his 'reign'.  Anyway, as you say, it's all history now but I felt I needed to respond when another poster suggested that no-one was prepared to stand up at the time - I most certainly did and thankfully my fears were largely proved unfounded.
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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #98 on: April 05, 2008, 09:39:53 AM »
i think i believe spud, only query is whether casey dealt directly with holland which i doubt.

it looks good for us to be cleared and holland to look like more of an idiot than he already does.

i don't like him at all. i mean why now does he decide to come out and claim for damages?
money drying up at melbourne pal so he needs to source income elsewhere.




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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #99 on: April 05, 2008, 09:59:29 AM »
Id suggest that RFC needs to be looking at every single such deal the club "may have had" and see if we were close to salary caps in any particular years where that may have been the case.
How retrospective should this be though. What if a player from the late 90s came out and claimed he was owed a Nissan which was outside the cap. I'm no legal wizz but I was under the impression certain civil claims have a 6 year limit. Hmmm submitting a writ in Oct 2007 would be right on the end of that 6 years.

Like I said it is very suss for a player in his final year of footy to finally start chasing money. Surely if any monies/contra were outstanding he would have known about it the day he was traded instead of waiting till 5 years later.  

if your owed money by someone after taking them to court & they refuse to pay it or have no money, you can continue to take them to the court register for upto 15 years which l did to this unclever prick.   l just let the interest mount up at 12% on 5k while he thought he got away with it & goes on with life
found out & proved his working & found out his got a house in his name now & a nice Honda car  ;D so my solictor slapped him with a bankrupt notice  ;D just to show him not to eff with me & that l'm his prick of misery  :lol :lol  :thumbsup
l find out the result next week it should be fun

Then l got another one who thinks his clever & going to try the same thing l got news for him
l'm also trying to get the law changed so that every car on the road in Victoria must be insured to be allowed to be driven on the road
l will fight hard to have this law brought in just like in the UK if your car is not insured it gets crushed  :lol  ;D wish me luck

Isn't it compulsory to have third party?!

unfortunately MT its not & thats where the law needs changing
maybe we should remove part of this thread MT & put it into decussions so l can tell you more
l dont want to go right off topic  :thumbsup

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #100 on: April 05, 2008, 10:52:37 AM »
have no hesitation in saying I voted for the Casey ticket as the alternative was... well it wasn't a credible alternative IMV

BTW The current board is the Casey ticket minus Casey ;D and they have done a great job in the last couple of years ... dare I say it ....FACT  :rollin

Its a fact when there is a premiership cup in the cupboard. Not wooden spoons.

Its disingenuous to say you voted for the current board. You voted for Casey and Miller, both of whom are entirely discredited

Come on MT, put your hand up
Like WP I don't sway away from voting for the Casey ticket. Seriously the Big 4 ticket challenge or whatever it was called was a joke. They wanted to take us back to 1999  :help. I'm comfortable with my choice given the stability, long-term planning including improved and more facilities, and sound financial progress which hadn't existed at Punt Rd for 25 years prior to 2005. Sure this improved off-field position hasn't transferred to on-field yet but it was always going to be a long-haul going down the youth path from where we were.

And I did vote for the entire board. Although there were two 9 person tickets, we all could vote for individual candidates. 8 of those 9 are still there and Penny Haines >>> Casey. There's been no challenges (anyone would be silly challenging a $1 million profit).

Those who voted for the other ticket should also put their hand up for supporting Schwab and co who were also on the board along with Casey when these idiotic decisions were made.

Didnt Schwab and co resign from the board because idiotic decision were being made, were made by Casey without board approval?

Yes.

Casey was doing deals, running the club on his own, and ignoring the board. Deals like the one Holland is suing about.

I voted against them because I didnt want Miller on the board because he is a dud, was a dud at North and nearly bankrupted them as interim CEO, and as our player development has shown since Miller, we have a crap list.

And you cant sack him now he is on the board. 
 
Miller as football director has loaded our player list full of non starters like Meyer, and nobodies like JON, and now the talk is about 2011 thanks to this tool.

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #101 on: April 05, 2008, 10:59:09 AM »

Its disingenuous to say you voted for the current board. You voted for Casey and Miller, ....

Haha! The old "I'm bitter so you're stupid" argument.  ;D  ;) The board election was more than 3 years ago. You need to get over it.

Casey got the 3rd highest number of votes, so more hands will be going up than not. Mine's up.

I took my vote seriously and considered my options. I considered what I thought was best for my club on the information and profiles available. That ended up being the whole Casey ticket and I'm comfortable with it.

I'll get it over it when we're playing finals mate.

Until then, a simple case of I told you so.

Stuck with Miller for life thanks to the conscientious masses lke yourself.

For those that voted for Casey and Miller, dont have a go at Holland. Because this is the way Casey did business.


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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #102 on: April 05, 2008, 11:49:38 AM »

For those that voted for Casey and Miller, dont have a go at Holland. Because this is the way Casey did business.

I haven't had a go at Holland. I don't know what happened, so how could I?

You seem to think you do.
Why don't you enlighten me with your actual facts of how Casey did business with Holland in this particular case?

You must know or you wouldn't be having a go at people who voted for Casey on the basis of Holland's claim.

Out of interest, what has Miller got to do with this? He wasn't even at the club when the meeting took place.  ???
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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #103 on: April 05, 2008, 12:18:55 PM »

I voted against them because I didnt want Miller on the board because he is a dud, was a dud at North and nearly bankrupted them as interim CEO, and as our player development has shown since Miller, we have a crap list.

Only your opinion on Miller rather than fact.  :sleep

I got one piece of good info out of that. I've always wondered who the 199 people that voted for Brian Dungey were. Only 198 more to go.
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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #104 on: April 05, 2008, 12:22:13 PM »
out of interest does anyone actually believe holland is talking the truth?

i mean it sounds like a bit of heresay which is very hard to prove i would've thought.

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