GC17, West Sydney - Need to go for top kids in next 2 drafts or we won't get any

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draft order is overrated as is tanking

the aints built up a team with high draft picks and they are still no good

geelong built  a power team with no ealy picks but great development


no tanking what so ever, no guarantee early picks become better than late picks, its all bout development and kids develop better in a winning team and culture and thats what we need

[Stripes]

This year is a superdraft so we will do what we always do during such seasons - over perform!

We have bottomed out at the right time it seems. This year we will more than likely finish between 10th & 14th which will still give us some good early picks and then in 2009 move into the 8. If we were bottoming out this year then we would be in trouble as you would normally expect bottom teams to hover around the lower end of the ladder for a handful of years before building up the base to begin to climb again. We have been sitting around the bottom (this time ) for around 4 years and are only now starting to look like we may begin to climb.

Carlton also seemed to have bottomed out at the right time (Damn them!) but Melbourne's rebuild will be serverely hurt by this new situation.

While we will still needs to find quality youth to fill gaps diring this drafting period we shouldn't have to rebuild or recruit on mass as we have been doing over the last few years.

So I am less concerned with this development than I would be if I was a Demons supporter.

Stripes

Stripes

[Judge Roughneck]

draft order is overrated as is tanking

the aints built up a team with high draft picks and they are still no good

geelong built  a power team with no ealy picks but great development


no tanking what so ever, no guarantee early picks become better than late picks, its all bout development and kids develop better in a winning team and culture and thats what we need

So you would say the like of Deledio and White are equally talented players going by your theory?

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whwre was deledio picked


where was james hird picked


i rest my case

now about deledio and white, white could become just as good as deledio, has the pace. but not as tall

how about collins, hasnt been sen yet but could be anything, say he becomes a star which he still may cos we all know he was picked up as a bargain and has talent

at this stage white has shown more imo than say gibbs

well?

[Ramps]

Matthew White IMHO is a squad player. A player that should be ranked 25 to 35 on a list.

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good very good squad players make a team, not individual brilliant players

geelong never ever picked up priority picks and early picks, yet are the premiers

[Gracie]

Have benefitted by getting some good quality kids through father and son

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Have benefitted by getting some good quality kids through father and son

thats a cop out, and i dont agree, not all father sons become great, some do some dont

we have richo, joel, had roachlol  bourke lol tuck is a son of a gun, although not our father son, rance is a son of a good player, as is mitch morton

clubs should not be waiting for good f/s players to come through to get success

its all about development, all these kids from tac can play

btw, edwards dad was a freak aboriginal player in SA, in one season kicked over 100 goals as a rover/onballer but lost his site in one eye when he was accidentally poked in the eye during a game, and had to quit playing

we may not have many f/s players but we have a healthy number of kids whose dads were great players at other clubs

[Judge Roughneck]

whwre was deledio picked


where was james hird picked


i rest my case

now about deledio and white, white could become just as good as deledio, has the pace. but not as tall

how about collins, hasnt been sen yet but could be anything, say he becomes a star which he still may cos we all know he was picked up as a bargain and has talent

at this stage white has shown more imo than say gibbs

well?

Hird wa drafted 15+ years ago. Deledio 4 years ago.

Drafting has changed alot. It is the most important part of the game. Will only get more important in the future.

Collins has not got a game yet. Compare than to the top 10 players in his draft; Selwood, Leuenburger, Boak...

What world do you live in?

[mightytiges]

Geelong got their gun Father-Sons under the old rule too. Now days with the auction system it'll be a lot harder to get a gun F/S cheaply (like pick 40 or thereabouts). If the new rule was around in 2006 then Geelong wouldn't have been able to pick up both Hawkins and Selwood.

In any case recruiting is about (re)building and developing a full list with depth over time like Geelong did over 8 years. Sure there are exceptions like our own Foley who fall through the cracks as a kid but it's an odds game. Earlier draft picks are more likely to succeed than later ones.

[Gracie]

Have benefitted by getting some good quality kids through father and son

thats a cop out, and i dont agree, not all father sons become great, some do some dont

we have richo, joel, had roachlol  bourke lol tuck is a son of a gun, although not our father son, rance is a son of a good player, as is mitch morton

clubs should not be waiting for good f/s players to come through to get success

its all about development, all these kids from tac can play

btw, edwards dad was a freak aboriginal player in SA, in one season kicked over 100 goals as a rover/onballer but lost his site in one eye when he was accidentally poked in the eye during a game, and had to quit playing

we may not have many f/s players but we have a healthy number of kids whose dads were great players at other clubs

Difference being we paid "market" value for Edwards

Whereas Hawkins would have been top 5 draft pick but Geelong used a lower pick and then also got another quality kid with their first rounder.

[mightytiges]

Melbourne, Eagles and Essendon look like being the 3 bottom sides at this stage. Carlton, Freo, Port, us and the Saints are next on the ladder. With the Cats, Hawks and Dogs undefeated there's a wide range of finishing spots for the group of middle of the road sides. Far too early days but you could win say 9 games this year and still finish say 12th with a top 5 pick as there'll be no pre-first round priority pick if us and Carlton win more than 4 games which looks likely now. It's a very even year outside the top and bottom sides.

[Darth Tiger]

Relocation is still on the cards if a club cannot prove its solvency.  A relocation would be the preference of the AFL due to start-up costs of a new entity and the resulting distortion of the draft.

[one-eyed]

New teams to get 12 players and draft bonus
Jake Niall | May 1, 2008

THE new Gold Coast team will have access to 12 uncontracted players before it enters the competition and will have two opportunities to, in effect, "gut" a very strong 2010 draft, under the AFL's proposal for establishing the 17th team.

Under the AFL's proposed "list establishment" document for the Gold Coast and Western Sydney teams, the new Queensland club will be given access to a staggering 10 elite 17-year-olds — from all over the country — in next year's draft, and Western Sydney will be given the same deal in 2010.

The AFL yesterday confirmed that it was raising the draft age to 18 years (January 1 to December 31) for the 2009 draft — a decision that will dramatically improve the quality of the 2010 draft, in which the Gold Coast is slated to have picks 1-5, 14, 15, 24 and 41.

The Gold Coast team will be given access to the cream of the players who missed out on the 2009 national draft — a substantial group of players, according to the clubs — because their 18th birthdays fell between January 1 and April 30, 2010.

Numerically, that represents a third of what would have been the new player pool for 2009.

If the Gold Coast team is unable to either persuade those teenagers to sign with them in 2009, it will be able to draft many of them the following year, when it holds picks 1-5, 14, 15, 24 and 41.

An almost identical set of rules — including the 10 17-year-olds — is proposed for Western Sydney in 2010-2011. It would have picks 1-5, 15, 16 (due to the extra club), 25 and 42.

Under the proposal, which several clubs have seen:

■The Gold Coast will be given a 10% higher salary cap for its first five years, with Western Sydney given an additional 20% — similar to the Swans — for its first five seasons. The Brisbane Lions had a 10% allowance at one stage, which was removed after pressure from Melbourne clubs following their run of three premierships.

■Both clubs will be given the opportunity to sign up to 10 uncontracted players before they enter the competition, plus they will have picks one and two in the pre-season draft — in practice, that means they could each snare a dozen uncontracted players.

■The Gold Coast will begin warehousing the best Queensland talent at the end of 2008, when it will be allowed to list 15 Queenslanders from outside of the draft. It is presumed that these players will play in the TAC Cup competition with a team that could be coached by Michael Voss, the favourite to coach the 17th club.

■The Gold Coast club will also be given three years in which to remove the best Queensland talent from the system. After its 2008 selection of Queenslanders, it will be allowed the pick of the Sunshine State again in 2009 (15 players) and five from its home state in 2010.

While many clubs can see opportunities for trading with the Gold Coast and Western Sydney and are formulating five-year plans to deal with the radically changed landscape, there is acceptance that the expansion rules will benefit some clubs with stronger young lists and damage others.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/new-teams-to-get-12-players-and-draft-bonus/2008/04/30/1209234957079.html

[tigersalive]

Any team that doesnt have their list in reasonable order by the end of next year is going to get a reaming.