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Dockers 'no' to Polak rookie bid (Age)
« Reply #105 on: December 12, 2008, 04:20:23 AM »
Dockers 'no' to Polak rookie bid
Cameron Noakes, Martin Boulton | December 12, 2008

FREMANTLE is planning to be a major obstacle in Richmond's bid to move Graham Polak on to its rookie list.

In a report by the West Australian newspaper, the Dockers (Polak's former club) want to oppose Richmond's application to have the player listed as a rookie, and in doing so greatly reduce Ben Cousins' chances of joining the Tigers in Tuesday's pre-season draft.

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire has also expressed serious doubts about the Tigers' late bid to have Polak rookie-listed.

But Kevin Sheedy yesterday said Cousins deserved another chance, while former star Richmond rover Robert Wiley has backed the Tigers' bid, saying Cousins could lift Richmond into the finals next season.

Fremantle chief executive Steve Rosich told the West Australian the Dockers were hopeful Cousins returned to the AFL but the club was opposed to changing the rules.

"The AFL rules are very clear. Richmond has the option of putting Graham Polak on the long term injury list and elevating a rookie onto the main list. We believe that would be the appropriate course of action," Rosich told the WA.

Cousins' manager, Ricky Nixon, declined to comment when contacted by The Age. His former club, West Coast, also refused to comment.

Essendon will support the application and St Kilda, who seriously considered drafting Cousins, backed the Tigers, saying it was "up to them what they want to do" with the extra selection.

"According to medical evidence Graham's still got a fair way to go before he's back playing football," St Kilda chief executive Archie Fraser said.

"The key thing is Graham's still in a bit of bother, so we think it's a reasonable request (and) we've all got to give and take a little bit."

Bookmaker Sportingbet rates Cousins a $1.50 chance to be picked up by Richmond in the pre-season draft, and $2.50 not to be.

Polak suffered a serious brain injury when a tram struck him in June and he will battle to play football in 2009. The AFL allowed Essendon to put de-listed midfielder Adam Ramanauskas on the rookie list in 2007 as he battled cancer. Ramanauskas eventually returned to the senior list and played another 23 games before retiring.

Richmond would get an extra selection in the pre-season draft if its request is granted, so the league has asked clubs to respond before a commission meeting on Monday.

Sheedy met with Cousins last week and told him to start contacting clubs in a bid to get another chance. Sheedy said the AFL had given Cousins the chance to prove he had beaten his drug addiction and he could still play for several years.

"He's an experienced player obviously. That's up to Richmond. I'm only going back to Richmond to help in different areas and not the footy department," Sheedy said.

"But James Hird played here (Perth) in his last match … on the biggest footy ground in the world. James Hird is every bit of an athlete as Ben Cousins. If you're determined to make things happen in your life, then do it. If Ben got himself right, he could possibly do that and maybe play until 33 or 34 which is a wonderful achievement."

Wiley, a former assistant coach at West Coast, said to the WA the Brownlow medallist could turn the Tigers into a September threat.

"With his class and experience, that could certainly take them into the eight," Wiley said.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/freo-no-to-polak-rookie-bid/2008/12/11/1228585027780.htmlftp://

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Tigers' bid a litmus test for AFL (Age)
« Reply #106 on: December 12, 2008, 04:47:38 AM »
Tigers' bid a litmus test for AFL
Jake Niall | December 12, 2008

ON MONDAY, we'll learn if the AFL really wants Ben Cousins to play for Richmond next year.

If the AFL approves Richmond's request to place Graham Polak, a recovering car accident victim, on the rookie list, then it has, in effect, told Richmond that it should draft Cousins, a recovering drug addict.

The Tigers, perhaps, aren't the only party that has done something of a backflip on the Cousins affair. Intentionally or not, the AFL created an impression that it did not want Cousins running around next year. Maybe that's a false perception but that's how many in the football community read between the lines of Andrew Demetriou.

Now, it seems as though the AFL wants him playing. From what one can gather, Demetriou and co have been surprised that the clubs have spurned Cousins. They did not forsee that the clubs would be so terrified by the prospect of having a recovering — but not fully recovered — addict in the locker room.

In this, the AFL is like a boy who doesn't know his own strength: It imposes strict conditions on a Cousins' comeback, talks tough, and the clubs react accordingly — recoiling from him.

The proof of the AFL's desire to see Cousins back in yellow and black will be the Polak decision. The Tigers' application is founded on the recognition that while Polak could return next season, he mightn't be ready to play senior football until the second half of the season.

Those at Richmond in favour of Cousins (Kevin Sheedy included) were given an enormous boost when he was depicted in both of this town's daily newspapers wearing the Tiger jumper, with the Dick Smith sponsor's logo prominent.

This is the kind of exposure that sponsors demand, and if it takes a drug-abusing Brownlow medallist to provide it, well so what? The freebie for the sponsor — a benefit created before Cousins has played a game — would not have been lost on the decision-makers at Punt Road.

That Cousins could create favourable sponsorship outcomes for Richmond is beyond ironic, considering that sponsors of St Kilda, the Lions and Collingwood were said to have misgivings about the dangerous glamour represented by Ben.

Some clubs are moaning about the way the Polak manouevrings are being exploited by the Tigers. They have a point, but to complain about the AFL bending the rules (assuming it does) and to decry the lack of proper process is to forget how the AFL does business.

In my time covering the game, the AFL has never been remotely interested in following process, or in sticking to the letter of the law. Take the Sirengate decision (when Fremantle got the four points in 2006), or the Carlton salary cap punishment, or the Adam Ramanauskas rookie-list exception, which is now the precedent for Richmond's Polak application.

The game's bosses are concerned with outcomes, not process. So, wait for Monday, and see if the emperor gives Ben the thumbs up.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-bid-a-litmus-test-for-afl/2008/12/11/1228585027783.html

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #107 on: December 12, 2008, 08:30:17 AM »
It still find this funny.... seriously

The media staking out Punt Road.

Channel 10 said tezza wasn't there today, channel 7 showed Tezza driving out of Punt road.

Poor Tommy Hislop (who's only been in the place 5 minutes) being asked what he knew about Benny.

Shame on them BTW for thrusting cameras and shi_t in Polak's face - that wasn't funny

Benny being supposedly sighted everywhere in Melbourne (memo news service saying he's just touched down at Melbourne Airport and showing old film of when he had hair doesn't cut it  :rollin)

The circus is certainly in town :lol :rollin

i love it.

good for our club and means more dollars comes in.

i just hope we get him after all this
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Re: Rival clubs to oppose Richmond's draft bid / bid draws mixed reaction (H-Sun)
« Reply #108 on: December 12, 2008, 08:45:56 AM »
Hentschel & Egan were both football related injuries, not brain damage from an incident outside football
If you want a better example then Chad Gibson is a better one, but he returned before the end of the season so it wasn't needed and was far more minor than Polak's case.

Don't know how people can compare the two, we didn't try and do it after Nathan Brown's injury did we?!

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #109 on: December 12, 2008, 08:56:46 AM »
Tony Leonard on local radio this morning said that it is odds on that Ben Cousins will be a Tiger, even if we don't get the extra pick.
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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #110 on: December 12, 2008, 09:01:07 AM »
So this sort of seals it that he will be coming then. From all the talk I have only read one that he doesn't want to be with us.
So it looks like people like me have to get use to the idea that he will be a Tiger in 09.
They know more than I do and I will have to go with the flow then.

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Re: Rival clubs to oppose Richmond's draft bid / bid draws mixed reaction (H-Sun)
« Reply #111 on: December 12, 2008, 09:02:29 AM »
The media buffoons are having a ball and it is the gullible among us that buy their crap.

Here's some facts:

We can take Cousins without using the Polak situation.
5 other clubs can take Cousins.
We don't have to take Cousins if Polak is transferred to the Rookie List.
Sponsors were more responsible for other clubs rejecting Cousins than any perceived "club ideology".
Good management is formulating and sticking to a plan and process, great management is recognizing the right time and place to deviate from that.
Polak's medical condition is personal and private to him alone, the media have no right to discuss or speculate on it in public without his permission.

And my last fact - (based on my opinion  ;D) - Richmond will make the 8 next year with or without Cousins.


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Re: Rival clubs to oppose Richmond's draft bid / bid draws mixed reaction (H-Sun)
« Reply #112 on: December 12, 2008, 09:11:55 AM »
Look I'm not in favour of getting Cousins.
But if it means we stick it up Collingwood in perticular gotta get my head on TV Eddie, then good. Lets stick it right up them.
We all know that he will come with a long list of rules to follow and if he stuffs up it is gone.
And if we get him this will give Terry nowhere to hide if we dont make the top 8 in 09, and he will know that he will be doing the walking.
One thing I would like to know is how the player feel about him coming to the team.
I know they all might have a shut up placed on them, but it would be good to know just how they feel.

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #113 on: December 12, 2008, 09:23:30 AM »
They know more than I do and I will have to go with the flow then.

At least this flow will have plenty of excitement Bushranger, the hype leading up to R1 and into the season will be unbelievable

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #114 on: December 12, 2008, 09:49:55 AM »
They know more than I do and I will have to go with the flow then.

At least this flow will have plenty of excitement Bushranger, the hype leading up to R1 and into the season will be unbelievable
That is so true. And no matter what happen even if we agree or disagree it will be interesting. And our club will be in the headlines. And this is just how the sponsor want it. Exposure is so good. Bring on 09.

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #115 on: December 12, 2008, 11:20:39 AM »
Amazing really considering all the negative hype surrounding Cousins to date that when we claim we may take him the support from the football public and especially the Tiger faithful, has been overwealming. The Pies, Lions and Saint sponsors and supporters who be incrediable bitter at this point.

What concerns me is our number in the PSD. After all the positive hype another team may change their stance on Cousins and choose him before us.

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #116 on: December 12, 2008, 11:26:48 AM »
Demetriou is keeping mum when he was quizzed about Cousins and us this morning. He just said he's aware Adrian Anderson has received a submission from Richmond about Polak and the AFL commission will view and discuss it on Monday.

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Re: Rival clubs to oppose Richmond's draft bid / bid draws mixed reaction (H-Sun)
« Reply #117 on: December 12, 2008, 11:37:07 AM »
Adelaide and Port Adelaide will support our bid to move Polak onto the rookie list

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #118 on: December 12, 2008, 01:41:19 PM »
They have been showing Terry going into Tigerland with a big cheezy grim from ear to ear on the news breaks.
So it has to be almost certain that we have got him then.

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Re: Rival clubs to oppose Richmond's draft bid / bid draws mixed reaction (H-Sun)
« Reply #119 on: December 12, 2008, 01:45:21 PM »
So does this means the Adelaide team must be wanting something in return later on down the track maybe.