IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]

[Stripes]

Voss has Brown, Power, Black, Bradshaw, Brennan and now Rich to work with. Our senior players give us nothing that our youth doesn't and players such as Brennan and Rich are all products of the draft.

[Smokey]

That's true Stripes, our seniors don't.  But it is his attitude to competitiveness and playing to the maximum output at all times that I think is very significant.  How many times do we all bemoan the 'play as we train' factor at Richmond?

[Gracie]

west coast ahve never tanked, they are just crap, worse than us. they lost judd cousins but on tope of that have lost other premiership players and had players like kerr and embley have no consistancy due to inury and form. they have had a poor fwd structure for for a couple of yrs now and its only now they are starting to shape their fed line

tanking does not work, all it does is train the mind that losing is ok and one gets reward for losing

tanking is rubbish and should not even be talked about


as cuz says , winning isnt everything,  ITS THE ONLY THING

Don't kid yourself. Wset Coast have done it before

From 1990 to 1999 West Coast finished 3,1,4,6,1,5,4,5,7,5
Then in 2000 they were 13th then in 2001 they were 14th
From 2002 to 2007 they went 8,7,7,2,1,3
Before finishing 2008 at 15th with 4 wins

They picked up McDougall (traded to Bulldogs in 2006 for a 2nd round pick) and Kerr, Humm in 2000 and Judd Sampi Seaby Hansen in 2001

and last year they got Natanui Shuey and Swift in top 20 picks

and they are headed for three more top 20 picks this year

This is following on from the 2007 draft when they scored big out of the Judd trade and picked up Masten, Ebert, Notte, Selwood (4 picks in the top 22 picks) plus got Kennedy (pick 4 in 2005)

West Coast use the system beautifully and make sure they limit their wins

[HD]

"From 1990 to 1999 West Coast finished 3,1,4,6,1,5,4,5,7,5
Then in 2000 they were 13th then in 2001 they were 14th
From 2002 to 2007 they went 8,7,7,2,1,3"

So if we follow an Eagles (tm) 'Tanking' Campaign style we get a decent finals appearance in 2015 and a premiership in 2017 provided we are blessed with a series of good draft results like Kerr, Humm, Judd, Seaby etc

hmmm there are so many things wrong with that i don't know where to start - maybe with the obvious chance factor of all our High draft picks from this being duds (Aaron Fiora anyone?) or maybe with the time factor. How many fans will hang around for the better part of another decade waiting for success? Then of course there is the possibility that draft concession rules get changed halfway through 'The Great Tank' and we are left with a demoralised, loss-accepting culture, half the *star* drafts we wanted and no plans for pulling ourselves out of the crap.

I'm yet to hear one positive, thoughtful long term plan that involves tanking the rest of our season away apart from getting a high draft pick who *may* be a champion later on.

Hadyn

[big tone]

"From 1990 to 1999 West Coast finished 3,1,4,6,1,5,4,5,7,5
Then in 2000 they were 13th then in 2001 they were 14th
From 2002 to 2007 they went 8,7,7,2,1,3"

So if we follow an Eagles (tm) 'Tanking' Campaign style we get a decent finals appearance in 2015 and a premiership in 2017 provided we are blessed with a series of good draft results like Kerr, Humm, Judd, Seaby etc

hmmm there are so many things wrong with that i don't know where to start - maybe with the obvious chance factor of all our High draft picks from this being duds (Aaron Fiora anyone?) or maybe with the time factor. How many fans will hang around for the better part of another decade waiting for success? Then of course there is the possibility that draft concession rules get changed halfway through 'The Great Tank' and we are left with a demoralised, loss-accepting culture, half the *star* drafts we wanted and no plans for pulling ourselves out of the crap.

I'm yet to hear one positive, thoughtful long term plan that involves tanking the rest of our season away apart from getting a high draft pick who *may* be a champion later on.

Hadyn

What should we do then Haydn?
Keep on going the way we have been with the same list that has us 3 and 9!... With wins against shyt teams!  Cross our fingers and hope for the best!...
What?...
It's all well and good to say lets start a winning culture, the only problem with this is you have to have the list. And just in case you have missed the first half of the season, we don't!!!!!
I just wish people would stop living in fairyland!


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[Infamy]

or maybe with the time factor. How many fans will hang around for the better part of another decade waiting for success?

Impatience has been the catalyst to the RFC's failure over the past quarter of a century
The process needs to be followed, there are no shortcuts anymore, you cannot just buy your way to a flag
Our board and supporters demanding instant success is why we've been so crap for so long, they trade away long term stability and success for just being competitive in the short term. You'd have to be blind or stupid to not see that.

[Mr Magic]

2009 = Tank

Let's use this broken system for once to our advantage.

[camboon]

All we need to do is increasingly play the kids, we will then do three things, get experience into the kids, see who's worth keeping / trading and of course if we lose - its a win all round.

We don't  need to then compromise the culture by losing because our we wont be good enough to win and if we win with kids, its not the end of the world - ( hopefully no more the on more win)

[WilliamPowell]

All we need to do is increasingly play the kids, we will then do three things, get experience into the kids, see who's worth keeping / trading and of course if we lose - its a win all round.

We don't  need to then compromise the culture by losing because our we wont be good enough to win and if we win with kids, its not the end of the world - ( hopefully no more the on more win)

I would hope that if we keep playing the kids and win, then people would be happy or at least try to be happy.

Surely, playing the kids and winning is a good thing Or are we supposed to lose at all costs

Because by winniong with the kids could actually mean that our kids aren't that bad and with the right person in charge the future actually looks positive

 

[camboon]

Cant argue, like I said either way playing the kids is a win all round.

Even if we rest some of the more senior guys when they are sore to give a couple of the boys a chance to step up .

[Ramps]

winning with kids is fine, winning with the experienced blokes is a waste of time and in that instance Its better to tank.

[TigerTime]

tanking is just a term to please supporters when their teams are poo. it makes them sleep better , " we are not poo , we are tanking, playing for picks" 

rubbish

tanking just means u r poo , no more no less

ppl have to get out of the denial stage

playing kids and losing is not tanking, its developing young players and giving them experience. in other words rebuilding
when the kids start winning as they develop then you hit the jackpot, look at geelong, they never tanked

[JVT]

tanking is just a term to please supporters when their teams are poo. it makes them sleep better , " we are not poo , we are tanking, playing for picks" 

rubbish

tanking just means u r poo , no more no less

ppl have to get out of the denial stage

playing kids and losing is not tanking, its developing young players and giving them experience. in other words rebuilding
when the kids start winning as they develop then you hit the jackpot, look at geelong, they never tanked

tanking is not an excuse, it happens, as we have said above, just look at carlton . . . sure they were 'poo' and may have lost a lot of games anyway, but the fact is they helped lose winnable games performing under their optimal level due to coaches instructions, resting better players etc etc.

[TigerTime]

tanking is just a term to please supporters when their teams are poo. it makes them sleep better , " we are not poo , we are tanking, playing for picks" 

rubbish

tanking just means u r poo , no more no less

ppl have to get out of the denial stage

playing kids and losing is not tanking, its developing young players and giving them experience. in other words rebuilding
when the kids start winning as they develop then you hit the jackpot, look at geelong, they never tanked

tanking is not an excuse, it happens, as we have said above, just look at carlton . . . sure they were 'poo' and may have lost a lot of games anyway, but the fact is they helped lose winnable games performing under their optimal level due to coaches instructions, resting better players etc etc.

there is no guarantee that the blues will win a premiership, look atthe saints, they had all those early picks years ago but still havent won a thing, sure they are flying atm, but they still havent won a flag with all their picks and by the time finals come, the saints will drop

carlton may try and buy a flag again, but tanking and early picks dont guarantee success. culture and winning do

[JVT]

I wasnt trying to argue tanking leads to success, merely that it does exist. Leading to success is an entirely different matter, and I guess we will have to wait and see whether or not it does.