IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]

[Ramps]

besides the fact that us tanking gets us an extra pick at the start of the 2nd round, id prefer to get a real early pick. People talk up Rich ... anyone wanna explain pick 8: Jarrad Oakley Nicholls and how JON fits in with us not tanking as the best strategy.

In effect for 7 weeks of pain you guys want to lose access to a potential superstar like Scully.

[Go Richo 12]

Big tone, what are meaningless wins exactly? Tell the players and supporters who sing the song the song after the game, the sacked coaches, the sponsers, the kids who have no idea of the intracies of the draft etc.what meaningless wins are. Most of all tell the supporters of this club who have stuck by them since 1980!

[Ramps]

Meaningless wins are wins late in the season when the season is already shot. They are wins that we have had for the best part of 20 years. They are the same wins that cost us players like Patrick Ryder and got us players like Jarrad Oakley Nicholls.

[Go Richo 12]

Meaningless wins are wins late in the season when the season is already shot. They are wins that we have had for the best part of 20 years. They are the same wins that cost us players like Patrick Ryder and got us players like Jarrad Oakley Nicholls.

OK now how do you avoid meaningless wins?

[TigerLand]

Meaningless wins are wins late in the season when the season is already shot. They are wins that we have had for the best part of 20 years. They are the same wins that cost us players like Patrick Ryder and got us players like Jarrad Oakley Nicholls.

Sorry I have to disagree.

The fact of the matter is tanking is like doing well at school. You just simply have more options.

Just cause you have good school grades doesn't mean your going to go onto be a successful doctor.

It's what you do with them that counts.

If we lost 1 more game in 2005 we may have picked up Ryder instead of Nicholls. But we could have won 3 more games made the 8 played finals and picked up Shaun Higgins with pick 11. We would have won more games, played finals, gained massive experience for Deledio's etc  and had a better list and better player for first round pick at the end of the day.

For the heart ache it causes nothing suggests that lower picks guarantee success.

[Jackstar is back]

Meaningless wins are wins late in the season when the season is already shot. They are wins that we have had for the best part of 20 years. They are the same wins that cost us players like Patrick Ryder and got us players like Jarrad Oakley Nicholls.

Sorry I have to disagree.

The fact of the matter is tanking is like doing well at school. You just simply have more options.

Just cause you have good school grades doesn't mean your going to go onto be a successful doctor.

It's what you do with them that counts.

If we lost 1 more game in 2005 we may have picked up Ryder instead of Nicholls. But we could have won 3 more games made the 8 played finals and picked up Shaun Higgins with pick 11. We would have won more games, played finals, gained massive experience for Deledio's etc  and had a better list and better player for first round pick at the end of the day.

For the heart ache it causes nothing suggests that lower picks guarantee success.

But the issue is that we wouldnt necessarily pick up Ryder

[TigerLand]

Meaningless wins are wins late in the season when the season is already shot. They are wins that we have had for the best part of 20 years. They are the same wins that cost us players like Patrick Ryder and got us players like Jarrad Oakley Nicholls.

Sorry I have to disagree.

The fact of the matter is tanking is like doing well at school. You just simply have more options.

Just cause you have good school grades doesn't mean your going to go onto be a successful doctor.

It's what you do with them that counts.

If we lost 1 more game in 2005 we may have picked up Ryder instead of Nicholls. But we could have won 3 more games made the 8 played finals and picked up Shaun Higgins with pick 11. We would have won more games, played finals, gained massive experience for Deledio's etc  and had a better list and better player for first round pick at the end of the day.

For the heart ache it causes nothing suggests that lower picks guarantee success.

But the issue is that we wouldnt necessarily pick up Ryder

Most likley not.

Which goes back to the argument that we need more resources in scouting for talent.

Also says alot about our developing department and structure.

Just wanted to add that tanking should only be talked about when referencing losing games for an "extra" pick not lower picks. History has never, not once proved that getting a lower pick will get you the better player. getting an "extra" pick however is an advantage. In Melbourne's case at this stage I can understand that winning no more than 1 more game will be the difference from getting Trengrove or not. That is a whole separate argument and comes down to running the club like a business. But again such as Carltons case and St.Kildas (so far) have never won a premiership with these concessions.

I'd rather teach our boys to learn that no matter what game it is, you play for this club and you play hard and with desire. The moment you let them off the hook by letting them earn the easy coin for a 50% effort is the point you let complacency set in and laziness. 2 death warrants of a football team you never want.

[WA Tiger]

So if the ladder ends up like it is now in the bottom eight with Melbourne and the Eagles winning less than 5 games what picks will we get?? Is pick 3 our first pick or pick 6?

Port Adelaide 15 7 8 0 91.9 28
Hawthorn 15 7 8 0 89.2 28
Sydney 15 6 9 0 93.2 24
West Coast 15 4 11 0 88.1 16
North Melbourne 15 4 11 0 77.7 16
Richmond 15 3 12 0 77.8 12
Melbourne 15 3 12 0 73.8 12
Fremantle 15 3 12 0 71.7 12

[Danog]

We would have pick 5 if the draft happened tomorrow.  Freo would get a priority pick at the start of the 2nd round, since they had more than 4 wins last year.

[one-eyed]

Mike Sheahan's hopped on the tank bandwagon....

AFL must rejig its priority-pick system
Mike Sheahan | July 14, 2009 09:05pm

DESPITE its best intentions - honourable intentions, too - the AFL is duty-bound to revisit its draft compensation system. With seven rounds remaining in the home-and-away series, there is more interest in the spots at the bottom of the ladder than the top.
.......
How can a club turn its back on a system that delivered Nick Riewoldt and Justin Koschitzke to St Kilda in 2000, Jarryd Roughead and Lance Franklin to Hawthorn in 2004, Dale Thomas and Scott Pendlebury to Collingwood in 2005, and Matthew Kreuzer and Chris Judd to Carlton in 2007?

The answer is it can't.

Demetriou says: "Melbourne Football Club, in my view, will do everything it can to win football matches because it needs to win football matches and their own people have said so.

"I happen to think those people are of the highest integrity."

I happen to think Carlton learnt to live with defeat for a period in 2007 because of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Most Melbourne supporters will do the same.

Time for the AFL to adopt the old saying, God helps those who help themselves.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25783692-19742,00.html

[Infamy]

Meaningless wins are wins late in the season when the season is already shot. They are wins that we have had for the best part of 20 years. They are the same wins that cost us players like Patrick Ryder and got us players like Jarrad Oakley Nicholls.

Sorry I have to disagree.

The fact of the matter is tanking is like doing well at school. You just simply have more options.

Just cause you have good school grades doesn't mean your going to go onto be a successful doctor.

It's what you do with them that counts.

If we lost 1 more game in 2005 we may have picked up Ryder instead of Nicholls. But we could have won 3 more games made the 8 played finals and picked up Shaun Higgins with pick 11. We would have won more games, played finals, gained massive experience for Deledio's etc  and had a better list and better player for first round pick at the end of the day.

For the heart ache it causes nothing suggests that lower picks guarantee success.

But the issue is that we wouldnt necessarily pick up Ryder

We absolutely wanted to pick Ryder, we were hoping he'd be the one that slipped out of the Top 7 along with Dowler. We should always have taken Mitch Clarke, but there were massive ???s over his desire to move away from Perth given he'd pull out of U18 games when he knew an interstate scout was there.

[blaisee]

Meaningless wins are wins late in the season when the season is already shot. They are wins that we have had for the best part of 20 years. They are the same wins that cost us players like Patrick Ryder and got us players like Jarrad Oakley Nicholls.

Sorry I have to disagree.

The fact of the matter is tanking is like doing well at school. You just simply have more options.

Just cause you have good school grades doesn't mean your going to go onto be a successful doctor.

It's what you do with them that counts.

If we lost 1 more game in 2005 we may have picked up Ryder instead of Nicholls. But we could have won 3 more games made the 8 played finals and picked up Shaun Higgins with pick 11. We would have won more games, played finals, gained massive experience for Deledio's etc  and had a better list and better player for first round pick at the end of the day.

For the heart ache it causes nothing suggests that lower picks guarantee success.

But the issue is that we wouldnt necessarily pick up Ryder

We absolutely wanted to pick Ryder, we were hoping he'd be the one that slipped out of the Top 7 along with Dowler. We should always have taken Mitch Clarke, but there were massive ???s over his desire to move away from Perth given he'd pull out of U18 games when he knew an interstate scout was there.

spot on infamy, jack is wrong again.

We would have taken ryder or dowler, ryder was the preferance at the time.

[TigerLand]

Again problem lies within the resources for scouting.

Should go far and beyond to scot for 30 plus players that are draftable not a handful.

We don't get our wanted picks and we make rash decisions like Oakly Nicholls who should have gone pick 20+

[WA Tiger]

We would have pick 5 if the draft happened tomorrow.  Freo would get a priority pick at the start of the 2nd round, since they had more than 4 wins last year.

Gee not very rewarding for finishing 3rd off the bottom if it eventuates, may as well finish 9th again IMO.

[Judge Roughneck]

History has never suggested Tanking works. Why would you try again after a failed one?

Adelaide have NEVER tanked. NEVER. Have just drafted well and have magnificent football department. Same with Port. Even with Essendon they have no top 5 draft picks ripping up the competition. It's all well developed youngsters.

Tanking has never won a premiership.

Hawthorn is the only team with concessions that have won a premiership. But I'd argue that there game plan won them the Garnd Fainl they should never have won. The invention of the rolling zone and tactics of professional free kicks and rush behind rules were taken advantage of perfectly. They also have never had a number 1 draft pick.

Nothing suggests that tanking wins you premierships. Absolutely nothing.

How many games have the Saints LOST this season?