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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #5205 on: June 25, 2020, 02:05:29 PM »
WP

A couple of points.

1. I didn't make this about race and ethnicity, the government did (see last two posts)

2. I did quote my source (and it wasn't a media article)


3. I find your condescending attitude insulting.

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1. WP didn't even mention let alone make this about race and ethnicity.

2. To be fair it's an unverifiable unnamed source for the rest of us.

3. You put points one and two together and got five. You linked WP's post to your claim to make a baseless and false accusation towards WP of racial generalisation. Nowhere did WP say people were being stupid because they were 'ethnic'  :huh.

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« Reply #5206 on: June 25, 2020, 03:39:42 PM »

1. WP didn't even mention let alone make this about race and ethnicity.

2. To be fair it's an unverifiable unnamed source for the rest of us.

3. You put points one and two together and got five. You linked WP's post to your claim to make a baseless and false accusation towards WP of racial generalisation. Nowhere did WP say people were being stupid because they were 'ethnic' .


This has got out of hand. I unreservedly apologise for the false accusation. It was not my intention but I concede it certainly reads that way.


Can you and WP concede I was right. It is about race and ethnicity. Surely the Government's reaction proves this?




 

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #5207 on: June 25, 2020, 06:42:43 PM »

1. WP didn't even mention let alone make this about race and ethnicity.

2. To be fair it's an unverifiable unnamed source for the rest of us.

3. You put points one and two together and got five. You linked WP's post to your claim to make a baseless and false accusation towards WP of racial generalisation. Nowhere did WP say people were being stupid because they were 'ethnic' .
This has got out of hand. I unreservedly apologise for the false accusation. It was not my intention but I concede it certainly reads that way.

Can you and WP concede I was right. It is about race and ethnicity. Surely the Government's reaction proves this?
Semantics but it involves different ethnic groups rather than it's 'about' ethnicity because these hotspots happen to be in suburbs with an above average migrant population. However, there are plenty of other suburbs with a similarly large and diverse OS born population which aren't hotspots.

One or two greater families breaking the even stricter 5-per-household covid rules from a month ago plus quarantine violations at two hotels doesn't mean it's an ethnic issue (Btw I'm not saying you're saying that either). It's simply that those people broke the protocols and have now spread the virus into the general community again.

Sure in these hotspots there will be a tiny minority of newly arrived or elderly migrants who genuinely don't understand and government info about covid will be provided to ethnic communities in languages other than English to reinforce the message again but that's more due to the demographics of where the outbreaks are.

Unfortunately, there's nothing that can get through to idiots who deliberately refuse to follow the rules because they don't think they can get covid or think it's just "like the flu" and don't give a stuff about anyone else like that young bloke interviewed on Ch 7 tonight.   

ps. If the May date regarding those couple of families breaching the rules is correct, it also shows the city protest had nothing to do with the latest outbreak.

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #5208 on: June 25, 2020, 06:43:45 PM »
Nup. Its not about race or ethnicity. Its about selfish stupid people doing what they want and not whats best for the community.

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #5209 on: June 26, 2020, 09:22:20 AM »
it probably doesn't help where some religions are believed to be outside Australian law

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« Reply #5210 on: June 26, 2020, 02:28:55 PM »
Told ya its the tip of the branch stack iceberg. More to come i reckon.

Yes Ramps. You tried to tell us but TT wasn't listening

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #5211 on: June 26, 2020, 03:49:06 PM »
Just want to go record and say don't agree with what Dan Andrews has done by reducing the number of ADF requested

1000 + was the right way to go

Understand why the Police & PSO are a better option around parts of the hotel security issue (they can issue fines) but would rather see the ADF involved in a few other areas. Especially around logistics = the movement of people from Airports, hot spots and setting up the pop up clinics.

He has made a blue on this

That's all
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« Reply #5212 on: June 26, 2020, 08:38:58 PM »

My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.

According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story


The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT

hahaha just saw this.

I am guessing if it was Christian gathering the tone on the topic would have been a little different  :shh

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« Reply #5213 on: June 26, 2020, 08:54:16 PM »
Victoria has requested help from the Australian Army.

My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.

According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story :lol :lol


https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-surged-after-blm-protests-health-minister-says-c-1122012?fbclid=IwAR3vpQmL23C_7PCD0i9TsXS2cE2sWrU3kV4x9pNpn6MBarpkv3kd0SCx9kY

Interesting

The Federal Health Minister, CMO in Canberra disagrees with you but hey never let your bias get in the way of that 

Serious question for you, though your recent track record of answering questions posed to you means you will likely just bash the Premier

Knowing everything you know, everything we've been told about this virus now (although at the very beginning you said something along the lines it wasn't real)

If you tested positive to COVID19 would you go to work, head to the shops and / or go and visit say your parents or grand parents or stay home

I don't want hear about protests, bashing pollies, serious question what you do?

Answer honestly


The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT

Sorry that is a ridiculous statement. Is it a contributing factor perhaps?

But ultimately people (read the moron element) need to take responsibility for the idiotic, selfish behaviour.

People can point fingers at whoever they like because as is the norm these days things are always someone else's fault.

But people blatantly doing the wrong thing and hiding behind pathetic excuses of it's Andrews fault, ScoMo's fault is one almighty cop out.

The people to blame are those doing the wrong thing because they don't give a sh-t about anyone or anything but themselves

no, i wouldnt visit anyone if i tested positive, but that is me.  I blame the andrews government for their soft approach to the protesters and his general demeanour especially in the last month.Terrible messaging. I expect the rise in covid cases

Furthermore, Do you think people listen to a corrupt government who knock on your door and say here have this test. :lol

I am the only person i know that actually has the APP on their phone. Facts are people are not onboard with this virus.

Not sure which is worse a totally imcompetant government or a corrupt one

Currently we have one that combines the 2

But I'm sure people will continue to defend them

Not sure how anyone can defend or support any govt that has been proven to be corrupt like our current mob have over the sports sorts fiasco

this hasn't aged well. So to be clear WP will you say the same thing about anyone who supports or defends the andrews government including yourself?

Just curious. These were your words not mine.
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still waiting for a reply here. Wonder why you cant reply WP?
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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #5214 on: June 26, 2020, 09:00:47 PM »
Just want to go record and say don't agree with what Dan Andrews has done by reducing the number of ADF requested

1000 + was the right way to go

Understand why the Police & PSO are a better option around parts of the hotel security issue (they can issue fines) but would rather see the ADF involved in a few other areas. Especially around logistics = the movement of people from Airports, hot spots and setting up the pop up clinics.

He has made a blue on this

That's all

Its taken a while but finally we agree. On this i cant understand why any government, state or federal, doesn't utilise the ADF. I liked how scomo used the team in the bushfires with transportation i think in Hastings. Though why did it take so long

What are they actually doing when they aren't in operation?

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #5215 on: June 26, 2020, 09:09:07 PM »

still waiting for a reply here. Wonder why you cant reply WP?

I haven't replied because after yesterday I am steering clear of this thread for a few days while I calm down

I don't want have to ban myself for breaking site rules. I am very angry at the moment and right now it is best I refrain rather than going whackety, whack, whack

No other reason

You will get a reply when the time is right

And FWIW I have the app as well

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« Reply #5216 on: June 26, 2020, 09:18:26 PM »
Great, each to their own. I just cant understand what the big deal is and have a hard time understanding the logic where people said nope i aint downloading the APP as they will know where i am all the time".

yet they have an iphone, facebook, instagram etc :lol :lol

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #5217 on: June 26, 2020, 10:27:10 PM »
"Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good...."

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« Reply #5218 on: June 26, 2020, 10:56:36 PM »
nothing to see here Dio, move along now.

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« Reply #5219 on: June 27, 2020, 09:08:06 AM »
What we're seeing in Victoria is the unravelling of a state labor government. Its all falling apart. This mob have run their race here. They have no idea how to keep covid under control and their socialist principles and their messaginf during BLM protests was disgraceful. Instead of sending in the cops and fining those clowns for beeaking the covid rules tgey sat there and jack shizen almost giving there full on approval. We got idiots refusing to be tested and its all because the state government in victoria is soft and weak. Theyve been soft and weak on corona they were soft and weak on the protesters and theyve vern soft and weak on these bludgers who are in the african gangs movement who have been terrorising melbourne for years now. Its time for Victorian Labor to get the arse they are a deadset shemozzle.