Terry's Next Contract

[mightytiges]

Its not only the amount of wins you earn in a year its also the opposition you beat.
Carlton  9th
Fremantle 14th
Essendon 12th
Melbourne 16th
Port         13th
Doesn't read out like a roll call of the big guns.

I guess with us our ladder position is a true reflection of where we are at. If we beat the Eagles then we've knocked off every side below us yet only beaten one side above us which we've also lost to. We did draw with the Dogs who are 2nd. That was probably our classiest effort for the year.

I had a look at what Geelong under Bomber Thompson did in his 4th year (2003) and they had 7 1/2 wins to finish 12th. 6 wins came against fellow bottom 8 sides including 4 wins against teams below them. They lost to the wooden spooners twice but knocked off ladder leader Port by a point and drew with the Eagles (7th) but both those games were at Kardinia Park which interstate sides wouldn't be use to. Their percentage was 89.

The following year (2004) after winning only 1 of their first 5 including losing their first 3 games they then rattled off 13 wins from 15 with the two defeats interstate by less than a kick. They finished with 15 wins, 120% and a top 4 spot. They went on to play in the PF before narrowly losing to Brisbane at the 'G.

Well that sort of breakout year in 2009 might save Terry  .

[mightytiges]

I would have hoped 4 years into a rebuilding cycle that you'd at least be a bit more consistent and I think it makes it hard for the board to trust TW beyond this contract unless we have a very solid season next season.

Agree Jake. That's why I think at the end of 2009 they'll say thanks Plough for taking the list this far but we think after 5 years someone else is needed to take the team further than it has progressed. Only a finals campaign next year would change their minds. I think Gary March has said publicly he's expecting finals next year. I still think we are a couple of years off that. The oldest of the new core are still only 22.

[jackstar]

The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.     

If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big  stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.

You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ??  I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either

Only watched the last quarter did you Jack?!

2.7 acceptable from the type of straightforward shots we had in the first quarter? Should have been 7.2 at least and with the first 2 goals of the 2nd quarter we should have been 7 goals up = game over. But to Jack that had no effect on the result.

Browny as a forward kicking 6 points and no goals up to 3/4 time acceptable? No complaints from Jack.

You can blame the coach all you like for tactical moves in the last qtr but if believe others being peeed off with our pathetic goalkicking on the weekend is "spin" then why should we take anything you say any differently.

Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat

You're the one who rated Carlton ahead of Richmond yet you're the most upset we lost to them. Odd! I'm upset we lost because we should have kicked all those sodas we missed and won. If they were shots from out wide by the boundary, quick snaps under physically pressure or long bombs outside 50 you could justify it in some way but ost of our shots weren't. But we can't blame the coach for that so let's ignore it lol.

Mt i think u live in dream land sometimes. ZI know you want success and all but how can say it was the easy shots that lost us the game.
true bad kicking is bad football but how many behinds did the BLUES kick again?

thats right exactly the same so they were in the same boat.

at the end of the day it was match day decisions like not tagging stevo and jack maybe even richo in the backline, then richo at FF which lost us the game.

Come on mate get your Terry Wallace goggles off and watch the replay again.

i just want Tw and his mates to NEVER talk up another game ever again.

line in the sand....hahaha

Carlton 5 rushed points. Richmond 4.
 Carlton missed easy shots as well.   Ahhh you must not have been watching
According to MT, this was only one team playing on Saturday and that was Richmond.
Reality MT we got smashed at clearnances by a younger bunch of players(take Nick Stevens out of it) who play direct corridor football in the last quarter instead of chipping the ball sideways and kicking short.
Too blame bad kicking just shows how biased you are too Richmond, and you cant see both sides of the game.( or you cant see the other side of the ground from where you sit.)lol
Carlton are well ahead of us in development and there game plan is much better than the rubbish we dish up every week.

[mjs]

(take Nick Stevens out of it)

The only thing wrong with that argument is that if you did......we would have won. By a lot 

[Infamy]

I had a look at what Geelong under Bomber Thompson did in his 4th year (2003) and they had 7 1/2 wins to finish 12th. 6 wins came against fellow bottom 8 sides including 4 wins against teams below them. They lost to the wooden spooners twice but knocked off ladder leader Port by a point and drew with the Eagles (7th) but both those games were at Kardinia Park which interstate sides wouldn't be use to. Their percentage was 89.

The following year (2004) after winning only 1 of their first 5 including losing their first 3 games they then rattled off 13 wins from 15 with the two defeats interstate by less than a kick. They finished with 15 wins, 120% and a top 4 spot. They went on to play in the PF before narrowly losing to Brisbane at the 'G.

Very good comparison, that's exactly why people wanting to jump the gun and fire Terry are talking out their ass

[Ramps]

No hope of us winning 15 games next year. Not a snowflakes. We are a long way of where Geelong were, the personnel at Geelong at the end of year 4 were a long way ahead of where we are at, a long long way ahead.

Best thing for Richmond, is lose as much as possible for the rest of the season and try and get a top 5 pick so we can get a Watts.

[Infamy]

No hope of us winning 15 games next year. Not a snowflakes. We are a long way of where Geelong were, the personnel at Geelong at the end of year 4 were a long way ahead of where we are at, a long long way ahead.

I agree, but they had a pretty decent advantage of having some players who were regulars in finals from before Thompson took over in addition to some pretty handy father-son selections. Even with those advantages, it still took them over 4 years to rebuild and they were still down the bottom. I don't think we'll win 15 games next year, but it just shows you how long it takes, especially when you were as far behind as we were.

Best thing for Richmond, is lose as much as possible for the rest of the season and try and get a top 5 pick so we can get a Watts.

I reluctantly agree, he needs to be our #1 target, we at least need a pick in the Top 6, but I'd love to get Watts then a ruck with our 2nd rounder.

[jackstar]

I had a look at what Geelong under Bomber Thompson did in his 4th year (2003) and they had 7 1/2 wins to finish 12th. 6 wins came against fellow bottom 8 sides including 4 wins against teams below them. They lost to the wooden spooners twice but knocked off ladder leader Port by a point and drew with the Eagles (7th) but both those games were at Kardinia Park which interstate sides wouldn't be use to. Their percentage was 89.

The following year (2004) after winning only 1 of their first 5 including losing their first 3 games they then rattled off 13 wins from 15 with the two defeats interstate by less than a kick. They finished with 15 wins, 120% and a top 4 spot. They went on to play in the PF before narrowly losing to Brisbane at the 'G.

Very good comparison, that's exactly why people wanting to jump the gun and fire Terry are talking out their ass

He cant coach, its pretty simple. :Look at the match ups each week.
And have a good look at the game plan

[mightytiges]

The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.     

If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big  stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.

You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ??  I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either

Only watched the last quarter did you Jack?!

2.7 acceptable from the type of straightforward shots we had in the first quarter? Should have been 7.2 at least and with the first 2 goals of the 2nd quarter we should have been 7 goals up = game over. But to Jack that had no effect on the result.

Browny as a forward kicking 6 points and no goals up to 3/4 time acceptable? No complaints from Jack.

You can blame the coach all you like for tactical moves in the last qtr but if believe others being peeed off with our pathetic goalkicking on the weekend is "spin" then why should we take anything you say any differently.

Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat

You're the one who rated Carlton ahead of Richmond yet you're the most upset we lost to them. Odd! I'm upset we lost because we should have kicked all those sodas we missed and won. If they were shots from out wide by the boundary, quick snaps under physically pressure or long bombs outside 50 you could justify it in some way but ost of our shots weren't. But we can't blame the coach for that so let's ignore it lol.

Mt i think u live in dream land sometimes. ZI know you want success and all but how can say it was the easy shots that lost us the game.
true bad kicking is bad football but how many behinds did the BLUES kick again?

thats right exactly the same so they were in the same boat.

at the end of the day it was match day decisions like not tagging stevo and jack maybe even richo in the backline, then richo at FF which lost us the game.

Come on mate get your Terry Wallace goggles off and watch the replay again.

i just want Tw and his mates to NEVER talk up another game ever again.

line in the sand....hahaha

Carlton 5 rushed points. Richmond 4.
 Carlton missed easy shots as well.   Ahhh you must not have been watching
According to MT, this was only one team playing on Saturday and that was Richmond.
Reality MT we got smashed at clearnances by a younger bunch of players(take Nick Stevens out of it) who play direct corridor football in the last quarter instead of chipping the ball sideways and kicking short.
Too blame bad kicking just shows how biased you are too Richmond, and you cant see both sides of the game.( or you cant see the other side of the ground from where you sit.)lol
Carlton are well ahead of us in development and there game plan is much better than the rubbish we dish up every week.

They are well ahead in development yet you're calling us losing to them a disgrace. As I said odd!

So I'm biased towards Richmond because I'm critical of Richmond's goalkicking on Saturday . Did you realise what you've typed . I also was talking about the first 40 minutes when the game should have been put away but you continue to deliberately ignore that because the blame for that period of the game is on the players :rolleyes. Browny missing 5 shots, 4 of which were gimmes for a forward, had no affect on the game did it. I can just imagine the outcry if that was Richo. So Carlton missed shots too? Then why didn't we punish them for it with all the opportunities we had. Oh I forgot you would then have to lay blame on our players and we can't have that as it's all Wallace's fault lol. Bucks and Russell on 3aw are just now talking about Browny's misses and if he had kicked most of them it would have changed the result. Are they biased  towards Richmond too :rolleyes.

You'll also find 8 of Carlton's top 10 possession getters on Saturday are 23 or older. Midfielders Stevens, Scotland, Carrazzo and Bentick amongst them. Stevens was best of ground so you can't take him out of the equation lol. Their seniors players stood up in the end; ours didn't. I said on Saturday night we got smashed in the clearances after half-time with the tide turning midway during the second quarter. It's called punishing a side for letting you off the hook. We did it to them in round 1 when they ran out of juice.   

[jackstar]

Carlton 1.5  Richmond  2.7 quarter time
Carlton 5.9  Richmond  7.9  Half time
Carlton 10.12 Richmond 10.13
Carlton 17.16 Richmond 12.16

Murphy 8 Contested possesions for game
Betts   7

Carlton  uncontested possesions 224, Richmond  274

Total Possesions  Carlton  333   Richmond   370.

You a master of spin MT, just like Terry Wallet.
They kicked as bad as us as the quarter by quarter scores indicate.
They dont overuse the ball as we do,  and they actually win the hard ball..

Forget about inaccurate kicking sunshine, why dont we attack the footy and win possesion more often instead of having weak priks like Joel Bowden and Jordon McMahon winning uncontested ball each weak.( 42 uncontested possesions between them and they play in D 50, please)
can also tell you MT ,  opposition  clubs think that Richmond are we as pee when opposition teams hit them hard, ala Hyde on sat, when Cloke continually got stuck into him after he stop chasing etc.

Interesting as well that the herald sun ranking had us ranked at 1702 and Carlton 1598.
We have a serious problem with the game plan and the way we are coached.
Nah, you cant see that, you and others want to give Wallace and his clowns another year. why ??  Do you like pain ?

[cub]

Jacks logic is right,,,,,next year ...

I said to mates when the tiger brood started getting excited, we are realistically no chance of finals this year. Saints and Bulldogs and even dawks we were realistic chances, but it didn't happen, if we had of won these it may be a different story, but it is NOT. Where we are @ we will win games, but what coll nth syd adel showed us is we can fall away pretty quick when we are not on, we will drop some we are expected to win (this week) and we can snag one's we are not.

I think see out the year, put the feelers out and if we are not at the absolute least 6-5 at the halfway mark next year we have to move on. It will be the 5th year and it is all about the bottom line, I am sick to fuggin death of losing and being a joke 

[jackstar]

Yep, I am sick of losing to actually, and being the joke of the AFL

[mightytiges]

Carlton 1.5  Richmond  2.7 quarter time
Carlton 5.9  Richmond  7.9  Half time
Carlton 10.12 Richmond 10.13
Carlton 17.16 Richmond 12.16

Murphy 8 Contested possesions for game
Betts   7

Carlton  uncontested possesions 224, Richmond  274

Total Possesions  Carlton  333   Richmond   370.

You a master of spin MT, just like Terry Wallet.
They kicked as bad as us as the quarter by quarter scores indicate.
They dont overuse the ball as we do,  and they actually win the hard ball..

Forget about inaccurate kicking sunshine, why dont we attack the footy and win possesion more often instead of having weak priks like Joel Bowden and Jordon McMahon winning uncontested ball each weak.( 42 uncontested possesions between them and they play in D 50, please)

can also tell you MT ,  opposition  clubs think that Richmond are we as pee when opposition teams hit them hard, ala Hyde on sat, when Cloke continually got stuck into him after he stop chasing etc.

Interesting as well that the herald sun ranking had us ranked at 1702 and Carlton 1598.
We have a serious problem with the game plan and the way we are coached.
Nah, you cant see that, you and others want to give Wallace and his clowns another year. why ??  Do you like pain ?

Yep because sacking the coach mid-contract has worked so well over the past 25 years at eliminating our pain and all our ills. 

It's called a contract Jack! Are you going to donate to the club to pay out Wallace and any other staff contracted? And don't give me the if we get so and so as coach suddenly the $$$ and members will miraculously roll in because fairytales don't happen. Like supporters ringing up radio stations this week wanting KB as president lol. Hey wasn't a mysterious group going to fork out the dough to toss out Wallace after round 8 last year or was that round 12 or round 22 or rounds 6, 8 or 12 this year or this week after the Carlton game?!  A bit shy of the limelight are they or the typical chicken littles .

If you don't like pain Jack then I suggest you go follow someone else for the next couple of years as no matter who coaches us in that time they will still need a honeymoon period before the new young core is sifted and mature and those drafted after them develop. If you think a change in coach is the magic bullet then you'll be bitterly disappointed. Better off allowing Wallace to cop the angst from supporters while the kids get another 20-30 games under their belt and then bring in the new coach.

As for spin - if spin means I don't accept poor goalkicking skills and poor skills in general from players who have the ability to deliver better then that's fine by me. If it means I don't tolerate us kicking more points than goals in three out of 4 quarters then that's fine too. I might add that shots that miss altogether or that don't make the distance when they should from inside 50 don't register as scoring shots. You're justifying our poor goalkicking because they missed a few too. Well I guess that makes it all right and dandy then. Talk about accepting mediocrity while accusing others of doing so  .   

Bowden had 9 contested possessions on the weekend (3rd most of any player on the ground) so so much for stats lol. We also matched them in tackles. Why won't you criticise Browny for Saturday Jack like you just did for Bowden and McMahon? Is that because you can't trace his 6-7 behinds  back to flaws in Wallace's gameplan. If Browny had nailed most of those sitters - we win, he'd have 3 Brownlow votes and we would all be here dancing about how great it is that he is back to 2005 form. How about Simmo and Patto in the ruck - 22 hitouts to 10 in the first half; 11-13 in the second half. That just might have something to do with Carlton winning in the centre after half-time.   

Btw we had far more contested ball against the Saints and we still lost. Oh that's right we lost that game too because we missed our chances in front of goal . Milne also kicked 7 remember. Hmmm I wonder what the result would've been if he missed every one of those 7 like Browny did on the weekend. But of course let's forget about accurate/inaccurate kicking as far as deciding the outcome of games  . 

Goalkicking is a skill and poor skills especially unforced errors such as missing gimme goals or missing open teammates (hello Mr Hyde) as well as massive fluctuations in team intensity cost us games above all else.

[jackstar]

your poor thing MT, i feel sorry for you.
2 more years of pain  more like 22.
And you obviously dont realise that Carltom missed easy shots as well.
As I have pointed out earlier but you just ignore these facts..
I will sum it for you .
Wallace cannot coach and thus game plan is poor, evident by over use of ball( please check champion data). Even the players think Terry is for Terry., thus there complaint to the board lasy year in regards to him being mor ehand son at training and less meetings
Bowden and McMahon arent the future of Punt Road.
As one certain player said to me during the week, this place isnt enjoyable and its starting to do my head in.

[mightytiges]

Name names Jack otherwise it's heresay.

Fev having a shot from the boundary 30m out isn't a gimme. Murphy missing on the run from 30 is. Fisher missed an early one too IIRC and got the tougher one on the angle (nice goal). We missed 6 sitters in a quarter of footy. In any case as I said what Carlton did or didn't do didn't justify our shocking misses. That's a fact you won't admit to. The name of the game is to kick goals when you are on top. If you don't do that then don't expect to win too many games. History is littered with sides punished for missed opportunites. North in the 98 GF being one of them. Adelaide smashed them after half-time after being let off the hook. You underrate the importance of goalkicking massively.