will we finish higher then the dee's

[Francois Jackson]

Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured

you think so??

try telling that to Daniel Rich and the Lions this year.

he made a difference that kid as im sure one of those 2 mids will, make no mistake about that

Jack Grimes is a star and a future leader of the club. He wins his own ball and proved that week after week after week this year. You forget about him did you?

They are coming along beautifully and a finish somewhere between 10-14 is where the Dees should finish in 2010.

They are the Hawks, Buldogs of a few years back. All they need is a Key Forward and they are a show for finals post next year

[bushranger]

I think that we will, and I am thinking that we will be around the 9 to 12 mark next year.
While the Demons will be in the 16 to 14 area.

[the_boy_jake]

So obvious that the threadstarter is an excited little Dees fan.

[tiger101]

So obvious that the threadstarter is an excited little Dees fan.

nah im just asking seeing how they finished below us probly this year due to probly tanking a few games.

[mat073]

I think it all depends on injuries.

If Richardson and Cousins can play a significant part of 2010 we might win enough games to finish above Melbourne 
Problem is they are ageing champions and may only be only a short term "band aid" solution.

Melbourne on the other hand appears to have gone down the "short term pain for long term gain" path and they might go roaring past us in 2011 .

[Infamy]

Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured

The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.

Taggers are still inside mids, especially Jackson with his bigger body. Jackson, Foley, Thomson & Hislop are all our inside mids, or will be played there to find out if theyre going to make it or not. Lids can play ruck rover and is winning more and more football all the time. Cotchin has been playing a s a centreman too.

[Infamy]

Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured

you think so??

try telling that to Daniel Rich and the Lions this year.

he made a difference that kid as im sure one of those 2 mids will, make no mistake about that

Jack Grimes is a star and a future leader of the club. He wins his own ball and proved that week after week after week this year. You forget about him did you?

They are coming along beautifully and a finish somewhere between 10-14 is where the Dees should finish in 2010.

They are the Hawks, Buldogs of a few years back. All they need is a Key Forward and they are a show for finals post next year

Rich is the exception, not the rule.
Grimes will be a gun, but was playing half back flank last year, will be played more in the middle next year but hardly a full timer.

[mightytiges]

Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured

The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.

Taggers are still inside mids, especially Jackson with his bigger body. Jackson, Foley, Thomson & Hislop are all our inside mids, or will be played there to find out if theyre going to make it or not. Lids can play ruck rover and is winning more and more football all the time. Cotchin has been playing a s a centreman too.

Fair enough Infamy about the bigger body with Jacko but Hislop plays more HF and Thomson isn't AFL standard and should never have been traded for in the first place. Cotch can play play inside (win the clearance) and outside (breakaway from stoppage) but we don't want to wreck his body by the time he's 23-24 y.o. if he has little help inside winning the ball.

[Hellenic Tiger]

I don't think so. Melbourne started their rebuild fully in 2007 and with four picks in the first 18 they will only add to that.

Next year Melbourne will be 8-12 and we will be bottom 3.
2011 Melbourne should be pushing for top 8 and we will be attempting to get competitive and finish 10-12 .

Hardwick at least if he can walk the walk and delist our list cloggers and take this rebuild fully rather than trying to cut corners should get the patience from the club and the fans where by 2012 we hopefully will be pushing for top 8 status and our premiership window should be opening.

[Infamy]

Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured

The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.

Taggers are still inside mids, especially Jackson with his bigger body. Jackson, Foley, Thomson & Hislop are all our inside mids, or will be played there to find out if theyre going to make it or not. Lids can play ruck rover and is winning more and more football all the time. Cotchin has been playing a s a centreman too.

Fair enough Infamy about the bigger body with Jacko but Hislop plays more HF and Thomson isn't AFL standard and should never have been traded for in the first place. Cotch can play play inside (win the clearance) and outside (breakaway from stoppage) but we don't want to wreck his body by the time he's 23-24 y.o. if he has little help inside winning the ball.

Hislop has played HF due to us playing Tuck, Cogs, Jackson & Foley (even Thomson at the end of the year) as our inside mids. Next year with Tuck & Cogs gone we will need to give Hislop the opportunity to play in the middle to see if he can play the role. As for Thomson, the guy massively struggled with a sternam injury all year, yet still played some pretty handy football at the end of the year. I won't write him off just yet.

[big tone]

Melbourne are going down the complete rebuild road, trading away good/star players for early draft picks with the hope they pick up some real superstars that can all learn together. The only real way to do a rebuild. I just hope we do the same. That said we should finish last next year and Melbourne should finish anywhere between 10 to 14. All depends on how quick some of there young star come on.
If we are to compete with the likes of Melbourne in years to come we need to bite the bullet now and trade away the likes of Foley, Tambling and maybe Newman and finish bottom for a couple more years and build our list properly. Short term pain for long term gain. We need Hardwick to come out and say to the supporters we are going to struggle for a couple of years and be strong and not get bullied into trying to win games that will do NOTHING to help the RFC long term.
You can say whatever you like about Melbourne, and they may not be cashed up but what they have done is stick to a plan and will reap the rewards sooner than we will.
Sad but true!

[mightytiges]

Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured

The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.

Taggers are still inside mids, especially Jackson with his bigger body. Jackson, Foley, Thomson & Hislop are all our inside mids, or will be played there to find out if theyre going to make it or not. Lids can play ruck rover and is winning more and more football all the time. Cotchin has been playing a s a centreman too.

Fair enough Infamy about the bigger body with Jacko but Hislop plays more HF and Thomson isn't AFL standard and should never have been traded for in the first place. Cotch can play play inside (win the clearance) and outside (breakaway from stoppage) but we don't want to wreck his body by the time he's 23-24 y.o. if he has little help inside winning the ball.

Hislop has played HF due to us playing Tuck, Cogs, Jackson & Foley (even Thomson at the end of the year) as our inside mids. Next year with Tuck & Cogs gone we will need to give Hislop the opportunity to play in the middle to see if he can play the role. As for Thomson, the guy massively struggled with a sternam injury all year, yet still played some pretty handy football at the end of the year. I won't write him off just yet.

I know Thomson was carrying a sternum injury this year but he's a poor kick. He was at Port before we got him. You can't afford to carry players with poor footskills no matter how tough they are in and under.

Hislop was still playing HF when Tucky and Cogs were in the VFL and Foley was out injured. He's got to show first if he has the endurance, speed and skill for a midfield role. He's still only 20 so he'll be given time but he's got a long long way to go before he shows he is up to AFL standard.

[one-eyed]

Bailey said today the Demons won't finish last

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85976/default.aspx

They have also started preseason training today after a 6 week break.

[bushranger]

What Bailey said and what Bailey gets are two different thing's.

[Stripes]

In 2010 no teams will tank given that the reward for finishing last is far diminished due to the GC draft concessions. It will be more than it has for many years a true indication of where teams really are at. So given the lack of incentives and the huge negatives that will come with the wooden spoon this year we are bound to finish last. No doubt, no question.

I just hope next years draft is a deep one with pick 4 a ripper!

Stripes