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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2010, 05:40:15 PM »
Would keep Moore. Definitely keep Foley and Brett. Open to trade Newman.

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2010, 05:53:28 PM »
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A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22

We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that

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We wont win a premiership in Newman or Moore's AFL lifetime. Must trade their currency. The only hard trade to swallow would be Deledio but if we were compensated properly we would benefit long term.
I have no problem with trading Newman especially and have posted many times that I think we should do this. Moore I think is too hard to replace and is still only 26 however would listen to offers.
The ones I have issue with are Deledio, Tambling & Foley, they are still just kids and you're giving away a high quality player for a chance of getting another one, but you won't know for 3-5 years. Sorry but that's just cutting your nose of to spite your face. They need to be our core players, not the ones we get rid of.

""Moore to hard to replace"" :banghead
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What medication are you people on
He is by far our most consistent and reliable kpp defender, even though he shouldn't be playing as one. He plays on talls and small, even shut Scott Stevens out of the game against Adelaide. You want to get rid of McGuane, well who the hell else can play kpp defender if we get rid of Moore and McGuane?

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2010, 06:27:00 PM »

Nothing but hard work and time will fix our problems . Sackings at this stage will only put us back another couple of years.

The hysterical, negative vile that sporns from the pain we all fell achieves nothing. How about some real  positive practical suggestions - didn't think so.

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2010, 06:34:25 PM »
I would not delist Tambling or Rance.

Would have thought Polak, White and the other bloke who missed the goal in the third trouble would be gone first

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2010, 06:35:59 PM »
would not trade Deledio to gold coast either ...

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2010, 07:17:10 PM »
based purely on strengths weakness and performances i think people are being lenient.
at seasons end

retirees
cousins,
simmonds.

delistees based on strengths weakness and over all performance.
graham
king
mcmahon
white
polak.
to me these blokes are certs.

delistees fighting for their lives at least 3 of these have to go this yr.they are all players you would not blink if they did go.some may well finally establish themselves but atm  all are expendable.

jackson
mcguane
polo
thomson
tuck
tambling
roberts.
nahas



thus far thats 15 players and all are 22 yrs of age or over. two or 3 may have some trade value.

then we have younger players who probably deserve a little more time  but in some cases dont look likely and in others just have to take the next step as they have shown a bit at times.

browne
collins
connors
edwards
farmer
rance
webberley
hislop

all are under 22. but in some cases age does not excuse the lack of performance or deficiency.im hopeful of at least 4 making it fingers crossed.

to me this is realistic and paints a true picture of the work that needs to be done.

it will take time patience and lots of smarts and plain old common sense to turn it around over a 3 to 5yr time frame.

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2010, 07:20:56 PM »
Upgrade currency.
A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22

We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that

Long term Infamy.

We wont win a premiership in Newman or Moore's AFL lifetime. Must trade their currency. The only hard trade to swallow would be Deledio but if we were compensated properly we would benefit long term.
I have no problem with trading Newman especially and have posted many times that I think we should do this. Moore I think is too hard to replace and is still only 26 however would listen to offers.
The ones I have issue with are Deledio, Tambling & Foley, they are still just kids and you're giving away a high quality player for a chance of getting another one, but you won't know for 3-5 years. Sorry but that's just cutting your nose of to spite your face. They need to be our core players, not the ones we get rid of.

""Moore to hard to replace"" :banghead
 :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :stupid :jump :jump :stupid :stupid :jump :jump
What medication are you people on
He is by far our most consistent and reliable kpp defender, even though he shouldn't be playing as one. He plays on talls and small, even shut Scott Stevens out of the game against Adelaide. You want to get rid of McGuane, well who the hell else can play kpp defender if we get rid of Moore and McGuane?


Oooohhh, He shut that CHAMPION Scott Stevens out of the game, gee thats a big scalp, LOL    YOUR AN IMECILE IMFAMY

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2010, 08:17:28 PM »
He can only do the role he's been given

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2010, 08:26:26 PM »
Jack he did his job. Does it matter the calibre of opponent in anyones opinion.

Is that a reflection on Moore or on Adelaide? :shh


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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2010, 09:56:32 PM »
Jack he did his job. Does it matter the calibre of opponent in anyones opinion.

Is that a reflection on Moore or on Adelaide? :shh


The best defender is the one you don't notice! Kel's our best defender!

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« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2010, 10:03:43 PM »
I thought he was good and another thing that umpiring decision where he was not paid a free when Burton was holding his leg was terrible as well as a few others, but getting back to Kel I thought he was good and has been our best defender all year. Pity he missed that running shot at goal in the third.

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2010, 02:33:13 PM »
based purely on strengths weakness and performances i think people are being lenient.
at seasons end

retirees
cousins,
simmonds.

delistees based on strengths weakness and over all performance.
graham
king
mcmahon
white
polak.
to me these blokes are certs.

delistees fighting for their lives at least 3 of these have to go this yr.they are all players you would not blink if they did go.some may well finally establish themselves but atm  all are expendable.

jackson
mcguane
polo
thomson
tuck
tambling
roberts.
nahas



thus far thats 15 players and all are 22 yrs of age or over. two or 3 may have some trade value.

then we have younger players who probably deserve a little more time  but in some cases dont look likely and in others just have to take the next step as they have shown a bit at times.

browne
collins
connors
edwards
farmer
rance
webberley
hislop

all are under 22. but in some cases age does not excuse the lack of performance or deficiency.im hopeful of at least 4 making it fingers crossed.

to me this is realistic and paints a true picture of the work that needs to be done.

it will take time patience and lots of smarts and plain old common sense to turn it around over a 3 to 5yr time frame.


cousins and simmonds fair enough

our ruck stocks are so weak Graham might get another go due to his size... ie. hawthorns trouble now
white is a fighter but lacks talent so he is 50/50 but rather young still


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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2010, 06:16:38 PM »
Richard Tambling can play, just ask Jade Rawlings,

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Is this the same Jade Rawlings you constantly bagged for the last 7 weeks of season 2009? Who you claimed couldn't coach and had absolutely no idea? Is that the bloke you mean?
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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2010, 06:50:31 PM »
based purely on strengths weakness and performances i think people are being lenient.
at seasons end

retirees
cousins,
simmonds.

delistees based on strengths weakness and over all performance.
graham
king
mcmahon
white
polak.
to me these blokes are certs.

delistees fighting for their lives at least 3 of these have to go this yr.they are all players you would not blink if they did go.some may well finally establish themselves but atm  all are expendable.

jackson
mcguane
polo
thomson
tuck
tambling
roberts.
nahas



thus far thats 15 players and all are 22 yrs of age or over. two or 3 may have some trade value.

then we have younger players who probably deserve a little more time  but in some cases dont look likely and in others just have to take the next step as they have shown a bit at times.

browne
collins
connors
edwards
farmer
rance
webberley
hislop

all are under 22. but in some cases age does not excuse the lack of performance or deficiency.im hopeful of at least 4 making it fingers crossed.

to me this is realistic and paints a true picture of the work that needs to be done.

it will take time patience and lots of smarts and plain old common sense to turn it around over a 3 to 5yr time frame.


cousins and simmonds fair enough

our ruck stocks are so weak Graham might get another go due to his size... ie. hawthorns trouble now
white is a fighter but lacks talent so he is 50/50 but rather young still


so the purpose of the reply is for what. dont tell me you think only cousins and simmonds are definates to go.
i named 7 with another 8 who have to go sooner or later. 3 of whom we must turn over for a total of 10 minimum. all players were 22 or over and been in the system for a minimum 4 yrs. sorry apart from king whos a 26 yr old.
i dont get this here people are saying be patient give the kids time but it isnt the kids people are after its under performing senior players who heve regularly been the lynchpins to bottom 4 finishes over a long period of time.

on white  sheesh hes deplorable  and is in his 6th season turns 23 this yr. angus graham the one who is almost totally devoid of talent he is the exception to my rule of giving players a decent amount of time to prove themselves. he should have been delisted after 2 seasons. as for our lack of ruck stocks there are many many better options out there than graham and none would cost to much.
why would we want to hang onto a player we know is not good enough, at the least take a kid and see what he offers up rather than allow a dud to continue to clog up the list.

if it were up to me i would be looking to utilise 7 nd picks. i would be looking to trade into a ruckman, a big bodied experienced  tall forward and ditto down back. i would do this if possible thru the psd and player for player trades.
 i would also be looking at 3 rookie selections. so decisions will have to be made on gourdis gilligan polak and roberts.our selections should go something like this. 4 27 28 45 62 78 etc.psd plus rookies.

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Re: Au revoir, Ciao, Goodbye.
« Reply #59 on: May 11, 2010, 07:12:22 PM »
Kelvin is certainly our best defender but if we are going to rebuild the list properly there are more advantages in trading him for a 18 year old
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