Pick 6 now guaranteed

[Smokey]

Nothing wrong with leaving Lids where he is either.  Playing a Hodge/McLeod/Goddard/Murphy role is just fine by me. 

[big tone]

I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.

Just me

Stripes

The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.

[Willy]

Big Tone. I see your point, but i think you are being far too negative.
There is certainly no guarantee that Griff will be a star, but he has some encouraging attributes, including size, speed, good hands, a big hoof and reportedly, a good work ethic.
I for one, am certainly looking forward to watching him grow and would not be surprised at all if he develops into a dominant forward.

[yellowandback]

I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.

Just me

Stripes

The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.

Its just glimpses but he took a pretty decent contested mark in the wet against Port at Football Park, he laid a fantastic tackle, collected the ball and kick a 50 metre goal on the run against the Swans and I can't remember the side but picked up the ball on the half volley at full tilt handball to a running midfielder and its those glimpses that show he has something to offer.
Injuries, consistency and development of young talent missing at our club for so long will determine if he makes it for there was enough in his first season to build into a career.

To be fair, we have had some false starts over the years but ffs, if Chris Dawes can have an impact, I'll back a fully fit Ben Griffiths.

[big tone]

I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.

Just me

Stripes

The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.

Its just glimpses but he took a pretty decent contested mark in the wet against Port at Football Park, he laid a fantastic tackle, collected the ball and kick a 50 metre goal on the run against the Swans and I can't remember the side but picked up the ball on the half volley at full tilt handball to a running midfielder and its those glimpses that show he has something to offer.
Injuries, consistency and development of young talent missing at our club for so long will determine if he makes it for there was enough in his first season to build into a career.

To be fair, we have had some false starts over the years but ffs, if Chris Dawes can have an impact, I'll back a fully fit Ben Griffiths.

Remember all those times and agree they were all fantastic BUT lets not make the same mistakes over and over again. I personally think Griff will be a good player for the club if injuries let him keep developing. I even think he showed me more in those few great moments than Astbury did all year. Jury still well and truely out on Astbury for mine.
I just really hate when we all rate these kids without much to go on.

[Francois Jackson]

Big Tone. I see your point, but i think you are being far too negative.
There is certainly no guarantee that Griff will be a star, but he has some encouraging attributes, including size, speed, good hands, a big hoof and reportedly, a good work ethic.
I for one, am certainly looking forward to watching him grow and would not be surprised at all if he develops into a dominant forward.

30 years in the wilderness i can understand where BT is coming from.

Everyone had high hopes for Rance a few years back and look how far back he is now.

I do rate Griffiths but we don't really know at all if he will make it or not.

Everyone thought Schulz was flying after he bagged 6 in a game and then look at the crap he dished up after.

The main difference here is the coach. Dimma aint the tanned one and i hope he sticks by his no short cuts mentality.

 

[gerkin greg]

To be fair, we have had some false starts over the years but ffs, if Chris Dawes can have an impact, I'll back a fully fit Ben Griffiths.

And apparently you only need to be as good as Harry O'Shizen to be an AA HBF so Heppell should have no worries making an impact if he can work on his blackness over a few pre-seasons...

[tony_montana]

To be fair, we have had some false starts over the years but ffs, if Chris Dawes can have an impact, I'll back a fully fit Ben Griffiths.

And apparently you only need to be as good as Harry O'Shizen to be an AA HBF so Heppell should have no worries making an impact if he can work on his blackness over a few pre-seasons...

what a stuffen joke that is, he is in purely on hype, lots of it self generated too i might add 

[Stripes]

I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.

Just me

Stripes

The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.

Wow bigtone! Jumping the gun here a little I feel. I never said Griffith's is a guaranteed super-star forward but, for the small amount of time we have seen him, I think the signs are promising. Just like when a recruiter drafts players, there is no certainities or definites, you can only go on potential and I think we have every right to feel positive about his future based on what we have seen to date.

I agree with you that, as supporters, we are often guilty of over-rating our players and their potential, but you can only go on the evidence at hand and the development of the draftees from this year. I think it would be great to have a number of tall forwards fighting for selection but its a judgement call on potential and probability. There are no certainities.

So what do we need most? Where is our most glaring potential holes? What type of team do we want to create? How much are we willing to gamble? These are all the questions that need answering and regardless of how much research you do or experience you have, in the end recruiters judge players on a handful of games before drafting them and coaches/supporters base their judgement on existing young players in a very similar way.

I believe we need more talent in the engine room where we can make a strong argument that some of our 2nd tier midfielders are good average players. The more quality midfielders you have the better I say. All the best teams have had a group of star midfielders.

Stripes

[big tone]

I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.

Just me

Stripes

The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.

Wow bigtone! Jumping the gun here a little I feel. I never said Griffith's is a guaranteed super-star forward but, for the small amount of time we have seen him, I think the signs are promising. Just like when a recruiter drafts players, there is no certainities or definites, you can only go on potential and I think we have every right to feel positive about his future based on what we have seen to date.

I agree with you that, as supporters, we are often guilty of over-rating our players and their potential, but you can only go on the evidence at hand and the development of the draftees from this year. I think it would be great to have a number of tall forwards fighting for selection but its a judgement call on potential and probability. There are no certainities.

So what do we need most? Where is our most glaring potential holes? What type of team do we want to create? How much are we willing to gamble? These are all the questions that need answering and regardless of how much research you do or experience you have, in the end recruiters judge players on a handful of games before drafting them and coaches/supporters base their judgement on existing young players in a very similar way.

I believe we need more talent in the engine room where we can make a strong argument that some of our 2nd tier midfielders are good average players. The more quality midfielders you have the better I say. All the best teams have had a group of star midfielders.

Stripes

Me jumping the gun????? Maybe it's you that maybe jumping the gun on Griff.
All im saying Stripes in terms of Griff  there was not much to go on, agreed? If you can tell he is going to make it as a Kpf off just what we have seen than you are a better judge than me. Wishful thinking maybe, but not much to go on just yet.
Potential is a scary word around Tigers supporters.
Just out of interest Stripes, how did you rate Astburys year?

[Infamy]

big tone, sorry but you are a complete fool if you down play the impact of two very tall kpps in their first year
You are kidding yourself, for either of them to play as well as they did in their first year was massive, Astbury especially
I can't remember a young 196+cm key tall play as well in his first year as Astbury did for over a decade, we'd be over the moon if he played like he did like this in his 3rd year rather than his 1st.

[Stripes]

I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.

Just me

Stripes

The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.

Wow bigtone! Jumping the gun here a little I feel. I never said Griffith's is a guaranteed super-star forward but, for the small amount of time we have seen him, I think the signs are promising. Just like when a recruiter drafts players, there is no certainities or definites, you can only go on potential and I think we have every right to feel positive about his future based on what we have seen to date.

I agree with you that, as supporters, we are often guilty of over-rating our players and their potential, but you can only go on the evidence at hand and the development of the draftees from this year. I think it would be great to have a number of tall forwards fighting for selection but its a judgement call on potential and probability. There are no certainities.

So what do we need most? Where is our most glaring potential holes? What type of team do we want to create? How much are we willing to gamble? These are all the questions that need answering and regardless of how much research you do or experience you have, in the end recruiters judge players on a handful of games before drafting them and coaches/supporters base their judgement on existing young players in a very similar way.

I believe we need more talent in the engine room where we can make a strong argument that some of our 2nd tier midfielders are good average players. The more quality midfielders you have the better I say. All the best teams have had a group of star midfielders.

Stripes

Me jumping the gun????? Maybe it's you that maybe jumping the gun on Griff.
All im saying Stripes in terms of Griff  there was not much to go on, agreed? If you can tell he is going to make it as a Kpf off just what we have seen than you are a better judge than me. Wishful thinking maybe, but not much to go on just yet.
Potential is a scary word around Tigers supporters.
Just out of interest Stripes, how did you rate Astburys year?

For a first year player, Astbury had a great season. Yes - great. I don't think I'm over-rating his efforts especially considering he 1) is a tall who tradionally take longer to develop, 2)he played forward and back, 3) his poise and desposal under pressure in the backline was years ahead of the coaches expectations. If we compare him to Brian Lake well then he had a terrible season but realistically we can afford to be pleased with what he has produced on the field to date and this would suggest that he would build on this in years to come. Infamy is right here - we need to judge him (and Griff) as a first year player not an experienced player. Is it a certainity he will improve - no, is it highly probable - yes.

Is Griff going to be a kpf? Well if I was a betting man I would say he has far more chance to make it than not. It all depends on injury, attitude, education and luck some of which you can base your speculative judgement on given history but some are left to chance. I can't tell you he is a certainity to succeed no more than I can tell you tha you will survive out the year but I think given what we have seen I feel we should all feel positive about his future...at least until we have evidence to suggest otherwise.

Stripes

[Judge Roughneck]

Pick 25 = Premier
Pick 26 = West Coast priority pick
Pick 27 = Gold Coast
Pick 28 = West Coast
Pick 29 = Richmond
Pick 30 = Essendon
Pick 31 = Brisbane

[peggles]

Do we need another forward?????

i don't actually think its a bad idea to get another talented power forward, esp one with the talent and upside of tom lynch.  it would definitely be the way i'd go esp if we can trade for a pick in the teens where we'd be able to pick up a mid like harper/caddy/parker

[peggles]

It's still guesswork predicting mock drafts prior to the draft camp and TAC Cup Grand Final. Last year they didn't have Sheppard nor Melksham and both went top 10.


This is probably close to the full mock first round draft including the GC picks........

1. GC  - David Swallow
2. GC - Harley Bennell
3. GC - Sam Day
4. WCE - Dyson Heppell
5. GC - Andrew Gaff
6. Rich - Tom Lynch
7. GC - Daniel Gorringe
8. Ess - Shaun Atley
9. GC - Jared Polec
10. Bris - Jed Lamb
11. GC - Brodie Smith
12. Melb - Jack Darling
13. GC - Luke Parker
14. Adel - Scott Lycett
15. GC - Patrick McCarthy
16. Port - Josh Caddy
17. North - Lucas Cook
18. Carl - Reece Conca
19. Haw - Jayden Pitt
20. Freo - Matt Watson
21. Syd - Patrick Karnezis
22. WB - Mitch Wallis
23. Geel - Billie Smedts
24. St K - Aaron Young
25. Coll - Dion Prestia


They must have forgotten about Griffiths to have us going for another big key forward. Not a bad thing if he's the best available at our pick but it goes against what the club has been saying wanting an outside mid.

If the draft did go as the above we should be able to get another pretty decent kid with our 2nd pick at #29. Tom Gordon, Ben Jacobs, Mitch Hallahan, Cameron Guthrie and Kieran Harper missing from that top 25.

good point mightytiges.

regarding outside mid, i know hardwick said it but i don't actually think he said anything about getting one with our first round selection.