Post season surgery

[Coach]

You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?

Not anymore. The umpies think Nick Riewoldt, Judd etc are playing touch footy. tackle them and that effing whistle will be going off.

poo i hate benders. getting old

[WilliamPowell]

You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?

What's that got to do with it  that's not the issue here IMHO

The issue I have and I think few others may as well is that once our season was OVER the Club continued to play players who were clearly injured and required surgery.

Why? What was the point? Why not put them in cotton wool and get the surgeries done ASAP rather than playing them in games that meant nothing but could have caused greater harm

Jack's got to have count 'em 4 not 1 but 4 operations. Why did we wait?

Luke McGuane has been carrying severe OP for most of the season - they did they keep playing him why exactly instead of having surgery?

BrownE - is onto op number 2

Griffiths - again what was the point

Conca's had surgery, ditto Cotch & Rance

As I said why did we play them

[RFC_Official]

You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?

What's that got to do with it  that's not the issue here IMHO

The issue I have and I think few others may as well is that once our season was OVER the Club continued to play players who were clearly injured and required surgery.

Why? What was the point? Why not put them in cotton wool and get the surgeries done ASAP rather than playing them in games that meant nothing but could have caused greater harm

Jack's got to have count 'em 4 not 1 but 4 operations. Why did we wait?

Luke McGuane has been carrying severe OP for most of the season - they did they keep playing him why exactly instead of having surgery?

BrownE - is onto op number 2

Griffiths - again what was the point

Conca's had surgery, ditto Cotch & Rance

As I said why did we play them

I'd say it's because they are not major surgeries, more 'clean-ups'. Cotch is already off crutches, Jack will be off shortly, Conca is already off them. I can't answer them all but those are the ones I know.

[Oiafi]

You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?

What's that got to do with it  that's not the issue here IMHO

My point is that players play with injuries its part of the game. They need to learn how to play with injuries. If they stopped playing players every time they hurt themselves simply because finals are out of reach, the players would not learn to cope with niggles and duress when we cannot afford to have them sitting on the sidelines.

I don't advocate playing players that have injuries that will get worse without rest, but I do think the idea of protecting players simply because playing them does not mean much in the context of the season, is harmful in the long run and detrimental to their footballing education.

[Oiafi]

You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?

What's that got to do with it  that's not the issue here IMHO

The issue I have and I think few others may as well is that once our season was OVER the Club continued to play players who were clearly injured and required surgery.

Why? What was the point? Why not put them in cotton wool and get the surgeries done ASAP rather than playing them in games that meant nothing but could have caused greater harm

Jack's got to have count 'em 4 not 1 but 4 operations. Why did we wait?

Luke McGuane has been carrying severe OP for most of the season - they did they keep playing him why exactly instead of having surgery?

BrownE - is onto op number 2

Griffiths - again what was the point

Conca's had surgery, ditto Cotch & Rance

As I said why did we play them

I'd say it's because they are not major surgeries, more 'clean-ups'. Cotch is already off crutches, Jack will be off shortly, Conca is already off them. I can't answer them all but those are the ones I know.

Cheers RFCO, my thinking exactly.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?

I do, if all are ready for day 1 of pre season to do full sessions then no problems.
 if not, why play meaningless games at the end of the season.
I'd say that once you are getting to the tailend of the season you work back from the 1st session of pre season not the following round.

[one-eyed]

Matt Hornsby video talking about the boys off-season and surgeries. Most guys having minor surgeries which will have them right by the start of preseason in early November. Matt said Jack will probably to take the longest to recover out of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUu8xCFgB7E&feature=player_profilepage

[WilliamPowell]

My point is that players play with injuries its part of the game. They need to learn how to play with injuries. If they stopped playing players every time they hurt themselves simply because finals are out of reach, the players would not learn to cope with niggles and duress when we cannot afford to have them sitting on the sidelines.

I don't advocate playing players that have injuries that will get worse without rest, but I do think the idea of protecting players simply because playing them does not mean much in the context of the season, is harmful in the long run and detrimental to their footballing education.

I appreciate players play with injuries all the time. If we were a chance for the finals I really can understand it but when you are no chance .... er ...sorry NO

When your season is over, there is no point and to say they are "just clean ups" is a cop out

To have 1 player needing 4 surgeries is not smart no matter how you look at or try to justify it.... Jack struggled for an extended period they played him while clearly injured, he couldn't run, he couldn't jump and then there's the other minor little point that he is one of top 5 players - you simply don't risk them under any circumstances

I don't think you can say McGuane's surgery was just a clean out - major OP surgery with the hope he will be ready for pre-season isn't "just a clean out"

Finally I would have thought the Club would have learnt their lesson after 2010 when they played a clearly "not right" Moore in the 2nd half of 2010 who had a crook hip & hasn't played since he went in for "just a clean up"

[Hard Roar Tiger]

Matt Hornsby video talking about the boys off-season and surgeries. Most guys having minor surgeries which will have them right by the start of preseason in early November. Matt said Jack will probably to take the longest to recover out of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUu8xCFgB7E&feature=player_profilepage

i now know what to play when my 7 month old won't sleep

[RFC_Official]

Matt Hornsby video talking about the boys off-season and surgeries. Most guys having minor surgeries which will have them right by the start of preseason in early November. Matt said Jack will probably to take the longest to recover out of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUu8xCFgB7E&feature=player_profilepage

i now know what to play when my 7 month old won't sleep

Haha, true. Bit hard to do some cut aways when there's no-one else around.

[one-eyed]

Matt Hornsby video talking about the boys off-season and surgeries. Most guys having minor surgeries which will have them right by the start of preseason in early November. Matt said Jack will probably to take the longest to recover out of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUu8xCFgB7E&feature=player_profilepage

Tony Greenburg's summary of what Matt Hornsby said....

Jack will probably be the slowest in terms of his return to training once we start pre-season, just because of the number of surgeries he’s had.  But none of them are issues that will concern us, or him, long-term,” said the Club’s Elite Performance Manager Matt Hornsby.

Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/123715/default.aspx

[T_o_O]

Thanks for the updates.

[Oiafi]

My point is that players play with injuries its part of the game. They need to learn how to play with injuries. If they stopped playing players every time they hurt themselves simply because finals are out of reach, the players would not learn to cope with niggles and duress when we cannot afford to have them sitting on the sidelines.

I don't advocate playing players that have injuries that will get worse without rest, but I do think the idea of protecting players simply because playing them does not mean much in the context of the season, is harmful in the long run and detrimental to their footballing education.

I appreciate players play with injuries all the time. If we were a chance for the finals I really can understand it but when you are no chance .... er ...sorry NO

When your season is over, there is no point and to say they are "just clean ups" is a cop out

To have 1 player needing 4 surgeries is not smart no matter how you look at or try to justify it.... Jack struggled for an extended period they played him while clearly injured, he couldn't run, he couldn't jump and then there's the other minor little point that he is one of top 5 players - you simply don't risk them under any circumstances

I don't think you can say McGuane's surgery was just a clean out - major OP surgery with the hope he will be ready for pre-season isn't "just a clean out"

Finally I would have thought the Club would have learnt their lesson after 2010 when they played a clearly "not right" Moore in the 2nd half of 2010 who had a crook hip & hasn't played since he went in for "just a clean up"

Well that's where you and I differ in opinion. Each case is different and I don't believe you can make a blanket rule based on the experience of one or so players.

The trouble with making decisions purely based on observation is you often find that an analysis of the underlying data suggests a quite different conclusion.

Your observations may be correct but my experience tells me that things are normally not that simple. Unless, of course, you have access to more information than the average RFC observer.

[HKTiger]

If all the players in for surgery had gone when injured we couldn't have put 22 players out in the ;ast few rounds.  We do actually have an obligation to field a team.

[WilliamPowell]

If all the players in for surgery had gone when injured we couldn't have put 22 players out in the ;ast few rounds.  We do actually have an obligation to field a team.

Yeah we could have - we could have promoted rookies