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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #360 on: November 21, 2013, 05:08:11 AM »

Stop the boats?

Abbott, you idiot.

Spy row: Angry SBY suspends cooperation on people smuggling

By Indonesia correspondent George Roberts, staff

Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono says all military and intelligence cooperation with Australia is on hold until he gets a proper explanation as to why Australian spies tried to tap his phone.

Speaking in Jakarta today, an angry Mr Yudhoyono said Indonesia was suspending cooperation on people-smuggling issues, including combined maritime patrols.

And he said he was writing to Prime Minister Tony Abbott to demand an official explanation on why Australian spies monitored his phone and those of members of his inner circle, including his wife.

Mr Abbott later told the House of Representatives that he would be writing back "swiftly, fully and courteously" because "that is overwhelmingly in the interests of both our countries."

The PM again expressed his regret over the spying reports today, calling Mr Yudhoyono "perhaps one of the very best friends that Australia has anywhere in the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-20/abbott-regrets-indonesias-spy-scandal-embarrassment/5105326
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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #361 on: November 22, 2013, 10:18:32 AM »
Tony Abbott is an opposition hyena, not a government statesman. He does not have the diplomacy skills, the tact or the refinement required to deal with the Indonesians and neither does his foreign minister.
Admittedly, while this was one that came out of nowhere for a new PM, it is still embarrassing that his inability to arbitrate or moderate a dispute has been put on display so early in his tenure. It is a key skill of the job and he hasn't got it. His policy of stopping the boats is in tatters now. 
Australia has turned a blind eye to the massacres and human rights abuses of this so called democracy for some 40 years, I would have preferred the relationship was downgraded over a point of difference on human rights, rather than the bumblings of an incompetent politician.

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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #362 on: November 24, 2013, 10:47:11 AM »

Stop the boats.

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Indonesia official to let boats go to Australia
 
November 24, 2013

Megan Gorrey
 
A top Indonesian immigration official has vowed to no longer stand in the way of asylum seekers trying to make their way to Australian shores by boat as the fallout over the phone-tapping scandal worsens.

The comments, from the head of immigration at the Law and Human Rights Agency in Medan, come as asylum seekers in Cisarua, south of the Indonesian capital of Jakarta, say they hope to take advantage of the breakdown in co-operation with Australia and may take boats in the coming days.

The head of immigration at the Law and Human Rights Agency in North Sumatra, Rustanov, who has only one name, said surveillance efforts aimed at stopping boat traffic would be halted.

‘‘We have no business with Australia. Let boat people head there. No surveillance is needed,’’ he said, according to a report in The Jakarta Post.


The official said his office, in co-operation with police, had in the past frequently arrested asylum seekers attempting to take boats.

‘‘Now there is no need to waste energy arresting them,’’ Rustanov said.


Several Sri Lankan asylum seekers said they had read reports of a diplomatic crisis, in the wake of revelations Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono’s phone was bugged by Australian spies, and said they were desperate to try to make the crossing to Christmas Island soon.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/indonesia-official-to-let-boats-go-to-australia-20131124-2y39j.html#ixzz2lW1BU0RS
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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #363 on: November 24, 2013, 11:09:12 AM »
Oh boohoo, it was done on the back of Australian resources anyway no doubt, like they would waste their money and resources for us anyhow.


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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #364 on: November 25, 2013, 12:17:22 AM »
Take the 4.5 billion dollars not going towards foreign aid

And whack it into the stop the boat fund

Bobs your uncle

Imagine how many fishing boats u could buy

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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #365 on: November 26, 2013, 10:05:28 AM »

All Tony had to do is come out and say " We are sorry that the President and his wife's phones were tapped. It will never happen under my government"

But no big tough one-term Tony had to strut around being the moron that he is.

The worst PM in my memory has NFI.


Rift with Indonesia over spying deepens
 
November 26, 2013
Michael Bachelard

Indonesia has said that talks with Australia over people smuggling and asylum seekers have stalled because of the phone-tapping row, flatly contradicting Immigration Minister Scott Morrison.

As Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono declined for the third day to make a public statement about the letter he has received from Prime Minister Tony Abbott, the extent of the damage wrought by the spying revelations is becoming increasingly clear.

Indonesia's national police have confirmed they will make no attempt to catch asylum seekers leaving Indonesia on boats. They have withdrawn co-operation from the Australian Federal Police over cyber crime and terrorism operations. The chief of the Indonesian national police, General Sutarman, was reported by website Vivanews as saying: "Their intention is to go there, so it is not in our authority [to prevent them]."

A meeting of the countries' search and rescue agencies has been postponed and a personnel exchange program suspended.

Mr Morrison has been trying since last month to reach a deal with his counterpart, co-ordinating minister for legal, political and security, Djoko Suyanto, over which parts of Coalition asylum seeker policy are palatable to Indonesia.

On Monday Mr Morrison acknowledged he had not spoken to Air Chief Marshal Djoko since the phone-tapping revelation. He said talks at operational level were continuing but General Djoko's spokesman said that was untrue.

"Honestly, even the dialogue at technical level is temporarily stopped, too," he said. "We are still waiting for Mr President's instructions since he received the letter from Prime Minister Tony Abbott".

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rift-with-indonesia-over-spying-deepens-20131125-2y68h.html#ixzz2lhWq0lpt
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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #366 on: November 26, 2013, 11:04:10 AM »

All Tony had to do is come out and say " We are sorry that the President and his wife's phones were tapped. It will never happen under my government"

Would be a gross mistake that opens our country up to further risk and harm.  Thankfully we now have adults in charge instead of children who gob off in knee-jerk image driven reactions at a rapid rate without placing any thought to consequences.  All Abbot has done is prove how much more responsible, intuitive and Australia-first his diplomacy skills are compared to the kow-towing rudderless ship style of Gillard and Rudd.  And your silence on the disgraceful and treasonous role of the 'impartial' NATIONAL broadcaster in this is breathtakingly deafening.  Personally I would have Mark Scott charged with treason and aiding terrorism and at the very least the grub should have the common decency to stand down for a gross breach of his role as Editor In Chief for failing to uphold the charter of the ABC but I don't expect the fact he has allowed his poor governance to place Australian citizens and businesses at serious physical and financial risk to be a factor in his shameless vendetta against the current government.

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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #367 on: November 26, 2013, 11:10:14 AM »
Some balance to the incessant anti-Abbott propaganda:

A Self-Defeating Spy Scandal in Indonesia
Over-hyping Australian snooping highlights Jakarta's own immaturity.


By
John Lee
Nov. 24, 2013 12:01 p.m. ET

The deterioration in ties between Australia and Indonesia over phone-tapping revelations is the first major diplomatic challenge for Tony Abbott's new government. While much of the focus is on the negative impact of the spat on Australian attempts to court Indonesia, far less consideration has been given to the damage that the episode might cause Jakarta in the future.

Revelations that Australian intelligence monitored the phone calls of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, his wife, the vice president and other senior ministers have led the president to demand an explanation of Australian intelligence activity, as well as a personal apology from Mr. Abbott. Jakarta has recalled its ambassador from Canberra; is reconsidering bilateral cooperation on stemming the flow of Australian-bound asylum seekers arriving on Indonesian-flagged boats; has halted plans for joint military exercises in Darwin ; and threatened to delay the resumption of Australia's live cattle trade to the country.

The intelligence activity took place over a fortnight in 2009, when Labor's Kevin Rudd was still prime minister. Mr. Abbott is refusing to apologize for his country engaging in what is widely considered to be normal activity by intelligence services throughout the world. Although expressing "deep regret for embarrassment caused to the president and Indonesia," the Australian leader is adopting the ages-old principle of never commenting on allegations in relation to the intelligence activities of one's own country.

Besides, General Abdullah Mahmud Hendropriyono, former head of Indonesia's intelligence agency, admitted in 2004 that Jakarta similarly tapped into the phone calls of Australian politicians and officials during the 1999 East Timor crisis. This discredits any genuine sense of moral outrage that Jakarta might claim over this issue.

In immediate terms, this incident may do limited damage. Australia is not a major economic partner of Indonesia. Two-way trade constitutes only about 3% of Indonesia's total trade, while Australian firms are small players when it comes to foreign direct investment in the country. The two countries do need to cooperate on a range of security issues, including counterterrorism, but Jakarta has as much of a stake in that coordination as Canberra does.

But that doesn't mean the spat can't do long-term damage—to Indonesia. Jakarta is still a weak and vulnerable country in the early stages of its democratic rise after a volatile autocratic era. Public displays of government outrage and threats to wind back proposed security and maritime cooperation between the two countries on the basis that past Australian intelligence activity is a national and personal insult to the president is an immature response, and will significantly diminish Indonesia's economic and political attractiveness in the region.

Jakarta is heavily reliant on a good reputation among foreigners when it comes to FDI and purchase of government bonds. Indonesia is also attempting to lower its export reliance on commodities, and to encourage foreign firms to locate manufacturing plants in the country in order to establish itself as an important part of the regional supply chain, something it has so far largely failed to achieve.

To advance these objectives, it needs to compete with other regional developing countries such as China, Vietnam, Cambodia and more recently, Burma. Indonesia ranks poorly on all indices such as ease of doing business, corruption and transparency. But sovereign risk also comes into the equation. In the lead up to the July 2014 elections, Indonesia appears to be retreating back to bouts of economic nationalism including forcing foreign firms to divest majority stakes in mining projects after 10 years and imposing new taxes on these firms, and proposing new foreign ownership limits in key industries such as banking.

This is the backdrop for the current Australia-Indonesia dispute. There are still fears that a democratic government in Indonesia could choose to fan rather than constrain the rise of counterproductive nationalistic emotion. This is a poor foundation for sensible economic policy and diplomacy into the future.

Already Indonesia's reputation for sensibleness is in jeopardy in the region. Mr. Yudhoyono was forced to embark on a fence-mending visit to Malaysia four years ago after an innocuous Malaysian tourism advertisement containing a clip of Balinese pendet dancing caused outrage in Indonesia on the basis that this was an intolerable instance of cultural theft. The episode led to demonstrations against the Malaysian Embassy, burning of the Malaysian flag and youth groups symbolically calling for war against Malaysia.

The surveillance allegations against Australia are more serious than a Malaysian tourism ad, to be sure. But again Jakarta's petulant response raises questions about its ability to conduct itself as a mature regional power. Jakarta could have protested to Canberra robustly but privately. But rather than simply responding to populist outrage, escalation is being led by Mr. Yudhoyono and his government.

In seeking to openly punish Australia and extract a humiliating apology from Mr. Abbott, Jakarta is doing a bad job of convincing the region that a democratic and rising Indonesia will be far more predictable, stable and measured than it has been in the past.

Mr. Lee is the Michael Hintze fellow at the Centre for International Security Studies, Sydney University, and a non-resident senior scholar at the Hudson Institute in Washington D.C.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304011304579217393946141318

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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #368 on: November 26, 2013, 11:28:59 AM »

John Lee is correct in most of what he says.

But that doesn't make Tony Abbott a PM's boot lace.

One-term Tony is just not up to it.

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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #369 on: December 09, 2013, 07:40:19 PM »
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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #370 on: December 13, 2013, 11:28:06 AM »

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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #371 on: December 13, 2013, 11:37:38 AM »
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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #372 on: December 18, 2013, 11:56:07 PM »
42 boat people due to give birth (to citizens of Australia?)  in the next 10 weeks

oh tony

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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #373 on: December 20, 2013, 11:42:20 AM »
42 boat people due to give birth (to citizens of Australia?)  in the next 10 weeks

oh tony

Come on Bents you can't blame Tony for this! There is no way he could have sex with 42 different women in 10 weeks! At least not while parliment is sitting.  ;D

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Re: Stopping the boats
« Reply #374 on: December 28, 2013, 06:25:29 AM »
As Laurie Oakes says, the voters will eventually wake up to this lot.

Morrison retreats from media on asylum seekers
 
December 28, 2013

Dan Harrison and Gareth Hutchens

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has stopped holding weekly press conferences on asylum seeker boat arrivals, instead issuing a written statement with no opportunity for journalists to ask questions.

Mr Morrison put an end to the practice of the Immigration Department announcing asylum seeker boat arrivals in real time, saying this amounted to a ''shipping news service for people smugglers''.

Instead, he pledged to front weekly media briefings on the Coalition's progress in stopping asylum seeker boats. But he provided his last briefing for the year a week ago.

For the first time since late September, Mr Morrison did not appear before the media despite his office insisting he was not on leave. His spokesman would not say when or whether the briefings would resume, saying the government would have more to say on this in the new year.

''Weekly reports will continue to be issued on arrivals and transfers and media conferences will be called as and when required to deal with any significant or serious events or announcements,'' his spokesman said. ''The minister's office will continue to field inquiries from the media on issues relating to his portfolio and provide responses as appropriate.''

Press gallery veteran Laurie Oakes has criticised Mr Morrison's approach to the media, accusing him of arrogance. ''He sees it as getting at the press, but it's not. It's getting at the voters and eventually I think the voters will wake up,'' Oakes said in November.

Mr Morrison's office issued a statement on Friday saying no asylum seekers had arrived by boat in the past week. Over the week 42 asylum seekers were transferred to Nauru, bringing the population there to 841, with 1229 at Manus Island.

The statement said 355 asylum seekers had arrived in December, a 70 per cent decline on last December. Over the first 100 days of the Coalition's Operation Sovereign Borders, 1106 asylum seekers arrived, an 87 per cent fall on the previous 100 days, the statement said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/morrison-retreats-from-media-on-asylum-seekers-20131227-2zzsw.html#ixzz2ohlh2oHY


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