Why not give Elton and Brett o games so we don't have to resort to this
Edwards,Miller same poo
One discarded from Melbourne and the other from noughtmelbourne and 17 other clubs
What does that tell you
elton is a 197cm kpf whos in competition for a spot with both griffiths and astbury hes a second yr tall who should not be expecting more than 5 or so games for experience or when injury happens. if he actually performas at coburg and forces his way in all the better.
when we first got miller vickery had done nothing, griffiths could not get on the park and astbury suffered a severe injury. all three were babies and not ready for afl. there was bloody good logic and common sense in getting miller if you cant acknowledge that you are being deliberately ignorant.
we have just 2 what you would term permanent medium sized forwards. 19yo b o hanlon who has a long way to go and now 28yo aaron edwards. we could do with another somewhere in between who is ready to play. some may say we have that player in 26yo knights.
not being a smart arse here but you really do need to acknowledge that the list is made up of different types.
playes of the same types need to be spread thru various stages of development and age. its list balance
You then must acknowledge one thing also.... We didn't make finals. So what's the point playing a used discarded dud in Miller when he was only getting in the way of a young developing player in Elton.
The match committee have a choice. Leave Miller in when it's clearly not working or play the youngster even though he mightn't be ready and put some games into him for his personal development or play another has been wannabe in Mcguane.
Well they chose mcguane and that didn't work either.
So what was achieved?
We missed the finals again.
We failed to get games into a young tall forward.
We found out that 2 of those aren't going to get us anywhere. ie Miller, Mcguane.
I'm not saying that Elton was ready. What I'm saying is that sometimes it doesn't hurt to play the youngsters and just see what he can do. He'll learn a hell of a lot more playing in the big league than playing in a substandard comp at a substandard club.
In doing this you either fast track development or find out if he's useless ie. Post
im not really sure what this has to do with edwards. or my post.but here goes anyway.
like you i was really keen to see elton get some games if for no other reason than he get a taste. especially late in the season.
obviously he was deemed to be not ready and the only other option was mcguane or miller.
riewoldt, astbury injured, vickery injured, elton not ready, post playing kpd and on the outer. griffiths playing chb. what options did we have. while i agree it would not have hurt to give elton a few games late in the yr his place atm is at coburg. hes got to be ready to go.
we probably should have bought post back in earlier and played griffiths forward. but then we are pulling another kid from pillar to post throughout a season.
it depends on how you look at our list some have griffiths and astbury as kpds me i have them as kpfs.
kpfs
riewoldt, griffiths, elton, astbury, and vickery as the ruck/for. thats it if griffiths and astbury are kpfs pretty limited when vickery and astbury are injured and griffiths has to play in defense.
if astbury and griffiths are kpds we are terribly short of tall forwards and need to address it asap.
personally griffiths imo should have played forward with post getting more games down back. what probably should have happened was derickx replaced vickery a ruckman/forward for a ruckman/forward.
our tall defenders were rance, post, grimes injured griffiths and astbury injured again very light on and aagain i have to say depending on where people think astbury and griffiths should play if forwards very deficient in kpds. probably 3 short.
as a part of list management i think it important we decide what roles griffiths and astbury are going to perform so we can actually go out and fill the holes in the list
what you dont seem to understand is that if a kid is not ready to play, them playing him is not development.
It does no one any good to get bashed from pillar to post and the only kicks you get are in the arse.
Some kids will step up, some wont. Elton showed he has ability, but also showed he is not ready. even at coburg he only showed glimpses
you would have played grffiths while still recovering from injury. How smart is that?
Jack darling. 20 games in first year
Tom Hawkins 10 games first year
Taylor walker 14 games in first year
Jonathan Brown 13 games first year
Travis Cloke 15 games in first year.
Yeh it was stupid for these clubs to gift these guys games in their first year. Some people were critical of playing them so early. Some people still don't rate them.
Stupid stupid stupid stupid. 
circumstance circumstance circumstance.
ask what what was different to our situation.
hmm jack darling had lynch kennedy cox he was physically ready haveing played wafl.
tom hawkins really struggled but played third fiddle to pods mooney with ottens going forward as well.
jon brown had lynch and bradshaw
cloke had tarrant and rocca none were thrown in the deep end.
they were all big physical guys all were physically capable of playing first yr. all were good enough to get games.elton while a lovely size is not physically ready and has not really shown enough to warrant a game but i agree a few games just for the experience would not have hurt as long as he had big mature bodies in the side who could carry the load.
in 2010 we had just a 21 yr old riewoldt. richo had retired and the next most experienced tall forward we had was vickery who had just 9 games and was supposed to be a future #1 ruckman. post 7 games, griffiths 0 games astbury 0 games blokes like miller were always going to get games and get em for two or three yrs while our talls developed you do realise thay take about 5 or 6 yrs to hit their peak
now ask yourself how many games and how developed were these kids by 2012 hardly at all due in main to injuries.
there was nothing wrong in getting miller there wasnt really much wrong in playing mcguane. one can understand why.
like you im hoping we see little of mcguane next yr and at various times astbury griffiths or elton along with a fit vickery and riewoldt can play as our forwards.
i apologise to all for being long winded.really have to find a way to say what i want in a shorter way.
