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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #750 on: June 29, 2013, 04:37:42 PM »
Only honest after being busted.
Only honest after 3 months of emotional turmoil.
More a confession than honesty
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #751 on: June 29, 2013, 05:28:39 PM »
Only honest after being busted.
Only honest after 3 months of emotional turmoil.
More a confession than honesty

True true
Have edited my post
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #752 on: June 30, 2013, 03:44:21 AM »
Bomber woes mount as drug probe widens

Richard Baker, Nick McKenzie and Jake Niall
    The Age
    June 30, 2013


Essendon captain Jobe Watson and several teammates were used as virtual human ''guinea pigs'' by the club, receiving injections or infusions of banned drug AOD-9604 at a volume and frequency far exceeding that of its clinical trials.

Fairfax Media can reveal that the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is investigating whether the physical performance of Essendon players given certain supplements, including AOD-9604, was measured against teammates who had not received the drugs and whether results were passed to external parties.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-woes-mount-as-drug-probe-widens-20130629-2p48d.html#ixzz2Xd0camZh




Essendon could have to wait until it is charged for doping offences before it can access a mysterious document that could clear its name.

Former Bombers sports scientist Stephen Dank has maintained he has a letter from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority proving the supplements he gave players last year were not prohibited. This alleged letter was shown to club doctor Bruce Reid.

Dank has chosen to not co-operate with authorities, and there appear to be only two ways in which the club can secure the document, of which it is understood there is only one copy, and prove it was misled by ASADA.

New laws passed by the federal government last week to bolster the coercive powers of ASADA will force Dank to hand over any documentation.

If, in the meantime,the Bombers were charged, they would almost certainly subpoena Dank for the document.

This would come after ASADA has presented its results and recommendations to the AFL. The league would then establish an independent tribunal.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/letter-of-law-conundrum-for-dons-20130629-2p484.html#ixzz2Xd0p4fJJ




Stephen Dank will take High Court action to prevent being grilled by investigators following the bolstering of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's powers, in protest against the ''enormous lack of respect'' he has been shown.

Federal Sports Minister Kate Lundy pushed new powers through Parliament for the anti-doping agency during the last sitting day before the election. They could become law within a month and it is expected that Dank, who has so far refused to grant an interview, would be compelled to front up.

However, the sports scientist believes his legal team will successfully challenge attempts to compel him to discuss his involvement at AFL and NRL clubs. It is believed his lawyers could argue a non-judicial body should not be able to use the government to force disclosure in non-criminal matters, as it could be seen as an abuse of statutory power.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-will-go-to-court-to-stop-asada-grilling-20130629-2p483.html#ixzz2Xd0vLLSK

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #753 on: June 30, 2013, 08:40:37 AM »
the thing i want to see, is the consent form signed by the players.
The wording of this, more than anything else, will indicate how much the players knew, or should have known, about what this saga.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #754 on: June 30, 2013, 09:42:48 AM »
Bomber woes mount as drug probe widens

Richard Baker, Nick McKenzie and Jake Niall
    The Age
    June 30, 2013


Essendon captain Jobe Watson and several teammates were used as virtual human ''guinea pigs'' by the club, receiving injections or infusions of banned drug AOD-9604 at a volume and frequency far exceeding that of its clinical trials.

Fairfax Media can reveal that the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is investigating whether the physical performance of Essendon players given certain supplements, including AOD-9604, was measured against teammates who had not received the drugs and whether results were passed to external parties.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-woes-mount-as-drug-probe-widens-20130629-2p48d.html#ixzz2Xd0camZh




Essendon could have to wait until it is charged for doping offences before it can access a mysterious document that could clear its name.

Former Bombers sports scientist Stephen Dank has maintained he has a letter from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority proving the supplements he gave players last year were not prohibited. This alleged letter was shown to club doctor Bruce Reid.

Dank has chosen to not co-operate with authorities, and there appear to be only two ways in which the club can secure the document, of which it is understood there is only one copy, and prove it was misled by ASADA.

New laws passed by the federal government last week to bolster the coercive powers of ASADA will force Dank to hand over any documentation.

If, in the meantime,the Bombers were charged, they would almost certainly subpoena Dank for the document.

This would come after ASADA has presented its results and recommendations to the AFL. The league would then establish an independent tribunal.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/letter-of-law-conundrum-for-dons-20130629-2p484.html#ixzz2Xd0p4fJJ




Stephen Dank will take High Court action to prevent being grilled by investigators following the bolstering of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's powers, in protest against the ''enormous lack of respect'' he has been shown.

Federal Sports Minister Kate Lundy pushed new powers through Parliament for the anti-doping agency during the last sitting day before the election. They could become law within a month and it is expected that Dank, who has so far refused to grant an interview, would be compelled to front up.

However, the sports scientist believes his legal team will successfully challenge attempts to compel him to discuss his involvement at AFL and NRL clubs. It is believed his lawyers could argue a non-judicial body should not be able to use the government to force disclosure in non-criminal matters, as it could be seen as an abuse of statutory power.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-will-go-to-court-to-stop-asada-grilling-20130629-2p483.html#ixzz2Xd0vLLSK
I don't get it.
If Dank is squeeky clean why doesn't he just go public with this document and show how inept ASADA have been.
Either he doesn't have the document or he wants Essendon to crash and burn.
Essendon will face serious fines by the AFL regardless of the outcome because the AFL will/should come down heavy on them just for being greedy arrogant idiots.

Anyway I still think Dank should ring his friends at the ABC and reveal all because if its true that he has this document it will basically make ASADA a laughing stock & the whole current investigation a joke.
What's he waiting for???
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #755 on: June 30, 2013, 02:03:02 PM »
The average Essen Don fan level of delusion is remarkable.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #756 on: July 01, 2013, 02:41:24 AM »
On 6PR Radio here in Perth this afternoon, another flog sports journo by the name of Kim Hagdorn told the listeners that: a) The BOOING on Thursday was solely justified because Jobe should not have been out there, and b), the AFL are deliberately keeping us Bombers supporters waiting until the end of the H&A season to avoid loss of crowd revenue. And then WHACK! We WILL be stripped of enough points to make us miss the 8 altogether because "How's it going to look for the AFL if Essendon actually WIN the Flag?". Hagdorn then got upset with a listener who labelled him "The Eagles Apologist" or something to that effect. Then, going about my business, I got personally attacked by some muppet at a local junior footy game today for wearing my Essendon trackies down. He said "How's it goin ya DRUG CHEAT?". peeed me right off. I almost dropped the prick. So the sooner this ends the sooner we can all calm TF down!
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #757 on: July 01, 2013, 08:38:23 AM »
Bombers must show players were duped

    Richard Baker and Nick McKenzie
    The Age
    July 1, 2013


Essendon's hopes of avoiding suspensions for players found to have taken banned substances rest on convincing the World Anti-Doping Agency that the club deliberately misled and ultimately betrayed its players.

As the drugs-in-sport inquiry enters its fifth month, Fairfax Media has learnt that its seemingly slow pace can be largely attributed to Essendon players being given every opportunity to build a no-fault or mitigating-circumstances case that will meet WADA's high evidentiary requirements.

Central to any no-fault or mitigating-circumstances case will be allegations players were duped into taking substances that they believed were WADA-approved and had been authorised by senior Essendon personnel, including the club's medical staff.

Investigators from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority are examining whether players were given substances different to what they were told. There is also confusion over whether club medical staff had actually approved every substance administered.

Adding weight to the no-fault or mitigating-circumstances case are confidentiality agreements the club made players sign that stipulated they not tell anyone about the top-secret supplements program.

''It appears that the players have effectively been sabotaged by their own club,'' said a source aware of disclosures made to ASADA.

Another source familiar with events at Essendon last year said players genuinely believed the supplements program implemented by the club - their employer - complied with anti-doping regulations. That source said players had no option but to believe what they had been told.

''You imagine a kid down from the Northern Territory in his first year. Is he going to go against something his coach wants him to do and that club officials say is safe? No way,'' the source said.

But convincing WADA that players found to have taken banned substances should not receive suspensions is likely to be difficult, with the agency's president, John Fahey, last week saying it was up to athletes to ensure any drugs they have taken did not breach rules even if their club had declared them safe. Mr Fahey's comments came after Essendon captain Jobe Watson declared a week ago that he believed he had been injected with banned drug AOD-9604, which he said club officials had assured the players was not illegal.

While any prospect of players escaping bans will please Bomber fans, several prominent club officials, including coaching staff, are likely to be held accountable by the AFL for failing to protect players from a highly experimental program.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-must-show-players-were-duped-20130630-2p5gj.html#ixzz2Xk3hia00

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #758 on: July 01, 2013, 01:07:42 PM »
Essendom wooden spoon odds shortening

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #759 on: July 01, 2013, 01:14:49 PM »
Haha they're stuffed either way. Either players get suspended or they have to stuff the club over to get the players off.  :lol :cheers

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #760 on: July 01, 2013, 03:42:20 PM »
AFL says Essendon may lose points
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DateJuly 1, 2013 - 2:38PM

The AFL on Monday left open the possibility that third-placed Essendon could be stripped of premiership points over the supplements scandal.

AFL general manager of football operations Mark Evans says various options will be considered if the Bombers are found guilty following the completion of ASADA's anti-doping investigation.

"It is certainly within the scope of the (AFL) Commission to do that, but it will be a Commission decision once it has been tabled," Evans told AFL.com.au's Access All Areas when asked if Essendon could lose premiership points.

The James Hird-coached Bombers have a 10-3 record in 2013.

Advertisement Essendon's internal investigation into governance has already described what was going on at the club in 2012 as a "pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged".

Essendon captain Jobe Watson said last week he believes he was administered AOD-9604 in 2012, saying it was cleared for his use by club medical staff.

The World Anti-Doping Agency has confirmed the substance has been banned for athletes since 2011 under a catch-all in which substances not approved for human use are prohibited.

Evans says the ASADA-AFL investigation is continuing and there will be no comment on individual developments, such as Watson's remarks.

"There is a range of possibilities if the commission decided there was a breach that needed to be acted on," Evans said.

"That could include a whole range of things from fines, draft picks ... it could be dealing with individuals and anything else."

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Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-says-essendon-may-lose-points-20130701-2p6v2.html#ixzz2XlmRvXGr
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #761 on: July 02, 2013, 03:20:03 AM »
Top 4 and Top 8 betting has been suspended by the betting agencies as a result of the talk of Essendon losing all their premiership points.

https://www.tab.com.au/#!/vic/sports/betting/standard/AFL/AFL-Futures/2013-AFL-Premiership/Winner

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #762 on: July 02, 2013, 07:31:36 AM »
Ch 7 was reporting this morning that Dank has said Jobe should keep the brownlow medal.
Unsure of his motives now  :huh
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #763 on: July 02, 2013, 01:33:23 PM »
Dank has also said he has no intention of speaking to ASADA or the AFL

Would think his motives are pretty obvious, saving his own butt
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