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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2014, 12:07:07 PM »
Whoever we take will never be the right choice unless the culture issues are addressed, the disease is cured and the standards are raised.

We need to get out of this...
Culture wasn't mentioned last year when we were winning. But as soon as we start loosing it's a culture thing. I don't buy it.
People start looking for excuses when we loose but it's got nothing to do with culture, it's because we have a horrible game plan and a pig headed coach.
The fact that we draft badly and our development is putrid is why we have been so bad for so long.
We have had different people in and out of this club for 30 years, you cannot tell me they all have created this 'bad culture'
We need a better coaching team and better players and this problem will take care of itself when we start winning games.
What's the bet if we ever win another premiership that the coach will be heralded the bloke that cured our culture problem. But in reality his team has just coached, developed, traded and drafted well.
Bad culture is just another way of saying your club is bad at making good footy decisions.
I was still mentioning it last year and a few others too.
Last year as much as I enjoyed the wins I could see a pattern emerging that I didn't like. There's one thing that you need above anything else to be a successful finals team and that's toughness. I knew that the soft easy, uncontested nature of our play was never going to be successful during finals.  We were found out in round 21 and our worst nightmare realised in the elimination final. Soft footy won't give you sustained success. And players were still getting games on the back of substandard performances.

I know what your saying though....

But Culture is all encompassing. It's the unknown force that drives a club. Good culture raises the standards, it's not satisfied with good enough, it makes the ordinary players better and gets consistant results, good culture raises the expectations, is always in the contest, is pushing for the ultimate prize and fight and fights to win.
Bad culture excepts mediocrity, is satisfied with near enough, pats you on the back of one finals game in twelve years, is shaken by the frenzy of expectation, it makes good players bad, it accepts mediocrity and rewards it and its happy because near enough is good enough.

Problem is that we only hope that the coaching staff/president/board/CEO address the issues.
You only know it hasn't been properly addressed when the same problems resurface, ie. development stagnates, players get worse, mediocrity gets rewarded etc.

But there's a major difference between clubs that persue excellence. Dermott was talking about it on Saturday on SEN. They had to change things at the club and approach things differently.
And sometimes a guy walks in (Clarkson) and does exactly what's required to change the way things are done and excellence is demanded and not just an option.

I remember earlier this year when the commentators were talking about the differences between clubs, coaching philosophy, facilities, player comradery and mateship etc. Campbell Brown was asked what he thought the major difference he had noticed when going from one club to another, he said when he looks back there's one thing that stands out more than anything and that was "Standards". 
He said at Hawthorn they were pedantic at doing everything perfectly.
Even recently Sam Newman asked our captain about culture and if he wonders why teams like Hawthorn & Geelong are perpetually successful and why Richmond continue to struggle time after time.
Let's face it, unless your within the four walls we don't really know what it's like and we all hope they are doing the things required to make them a successful team with ongoing sustained success. So we as supporters hope that they will eventually acheive the results we are all looking for.

Hardwick, Gale and the players are all left scratching there heads as to why this year has turned out this way but as gutted as we all are, we as supporters of this club aren't really suprised to see it all fall over once again. The cycle that continues to re-emerge time after time and no one at the club has any answers for it makes me real angry and disappointed.

I really thought Wallace was going to bring in a culture of excellence but he didn't. I thought Hardwick did but what we see is the same pattern all over again, rewarding mediocrity, development stagnates or declines, standards are lowered you know it's been a complete balls up and they have failed to address the bigger issues again.

Everytime I hear Tom Harley or Cam Mooney or Cameron Ling on footy commentary and they see things that happen on the field that are basic team orientated things that aren't adhered too they say that those things were just expected at Geelong, we all knew what was expected of us and it didn't matter who was brought in they also knew what was expected also because those things were gospel.

I'm not saying its easy to change culture and I'm not saying they haven't made some inroads as to addressing the issues yet but it's the evidence that we see game day that makes me question what's been done at the club.

If it's not culture but recruiting but we have more resources than ever before.
If it's not culture but development but we have more resources in development than ever before.
If it's not culture but just bad coaches but we have pumped more money into football operations than ever before.
But once again the commentators are laughing at us because we wheel out a gantry with a punching bag because we want to be tougher in training simulation. It's embarrassing.

We haven't got excuses anymore but we still are going backwards and the same problems resurface again and again.
Just ask anyone at Sydney if culture isn't important. Paul Roos spoke about it earlier this year when he said “I just get a little bit surprised that every thing goes back to Jack Watts. We have a lot more problems at this club,” Roos said.
Now the Melbourne players talk about the culture changes he's made while he's come to the club. Players start improving and things get better.

I'm not saying it's not development or recruiting or game plan etc. what I am saying is that if culture is addressed and excellence is the standard then everything else falls into place. Recruiting gets better and development is better and on game day the coach has leaders that will adhere to the team rules and enforce those on the field too.

I only hope that last years debacle and this years inevitable decline has everyone at the club waking up and they end up improving on everything so that one day we all won't be complaining anymore but rejoicing together in the ecstasy of another premiership and and era of sustained success.
The club that keeps giving.

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #76 on: July 21, 2014, 01:28:33 PM »
Culture is just another word for standards and our standards are low.

"Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good...."

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2014, 02:04:26 PM »
Spot on post Mr T!   :thumbsup   :clapping :clapping :clapping

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #78 on: July 24, 2014, 09:30:39 PM »
Road to the Draft podcast: Top 20 analysis
afl.com.au
July 24, 2014


AFL.com.au's draft reporter Callum Twomey and host Nat Edwards discuss all the latest action from the most talented prospects around the country.

The podcast delves into the first Phantom Form Guide of 2015 by analysing the top 20 players for this year, and offers some names who are in the mix to push into the next update.

AUDIO: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-24/road-to-the-draft

Twomey's choice for those just outside the top 20 (ie. 2nd rounders):
Touk Miller
Lucas Webb
Davis (NSW academy)
Harrison Wigg
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Dan Howe


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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2014, 09:21:10 PM »
From the TAC Cup Future Stars show, Plough's latest update of his running top 10 phantom draft:

1. St Kilda – Patrick McCartin - Geelong Falcons | 19/4/96 | 193cm | 92kg | Tall forward

2. Melbourne – Christian Petracca - Eastern Ranges | 4/1/96 | 186cm | 92kg | Midfielder

3. GWS – Peter Wright - Calder Cannons | 8/9/96 | 203cm | 102kg | Ruck/tall forward

4. Brisbane – Angus Brayshaw - Sandringham Dragons | 9/1/96 | 187cm | 86kg | Midfielder

5. W.Bulldogs – Sam Durdin - West Adelaide | 6/6/96 | 196cm | 87kg | Tall forward/defender

6. Carlton – Jayden Laverde - Western Jets | 12/4/96 | 189cm | 82kg | Medium utility

7. Richmond – Liam Duggan - Western Jets | 11/12/96 | 182cm | 72kg | Midfielder

8. West Coast – Paul Ahern - Calder Cannons | 1/8/96 | 182cm | 77kg | Midfielder

9. Adelaide – Caleb Marchbank - Murray Bushrangers | 7/12/96 | 194cm | 86kg | Tall forward/defender

10. Gold Coast – Jarrod Pickett - South Fremantle | 18/8/96 | 178cm | 76kg | Midfielder

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2014, 09:24:51 PM »
No.1 draft pick up for grabs: Twomey
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August 1, 2014


THIS year’s NAB AFL Draft is shaping up as being “even” at the top end, with “no clear standout” for the No.1 pick, according to AFL Media reporter and draft guru Callum Twomey.

Twomey, who specialises in reporting and analysing the draft and recruiting period, said the top few picks were far from settled.

“You look back to last year’s draft and you could put it in order by this stage of the year,” he told Dee TV.

“I think everyone knew that Jack Billings, Josh Kelly and Tom Boyd were all going to be there right in the top three and then Christian Salem at the Dees, we knew he’d be a top 10 pick … this year, it’s wide open.

“There is no Lachie Whitfield, Tom Boyd, Jonathon Patton or David Swallow either [locked in for the No.1 pick], so there are a few options.”

Twomey said midfielder Christian Petracca, plus talls Patrick McCartin and Peter Wright were firming as top three picks. Other midfielders Paul Ahern, Angus Brayshaw and Isaac Heeney have also been considered top candidates.

Heeney is a Swans academy prospect and Darcy Moore is a father/son prospect for Collingwood, as his champion father Peter didn’t play enough matches with Melbourne, despite winning a Brownlow Medal for the Demons in 1984.

Twomey said the Demons would “love a player like Christian Petracca”.

“He’s hard-bodied and just prolific in the midfield. He’s turned himself into a midfielder this year. Last year, he was a half-forward, who kicked goals. This year, he was a midfielder who just does it all and is powerful and quick,” he said.

“He’s from a basketball background, so he’s quite versatile and agile in tight spaces and he’s just a monster – you’d expect to see him play next year, if he arrived at the Melbourne footy club or any footy club for that matter.

“[Melbourne] has got Jesse Hogan coming through, but Patrick McCartin and Peter Wright are right at the top end.”

Twomey said the likes of Sandringham Dragon Ed Vickers-Willis, and Western Australian duo Clem Smith and Jarrod Garlett were in the mix for second round picks.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-08-01/no1-draft-pick-up-for-grabs-twomey

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2014, 09:28:20 AM »
Road to the Draft podcast: Top 20 analysis
afl.com.au
July 24, 2014


AFL.com.au's draft reporter Callum Twomey and host Nat Edwards discuss all the latest action from the most talented prospects around the country.

The podcast delves into the first Phantom Form Guide of 2015 by analysing the top 20 players for this year, and offers some names who are in the mix to push into the next update.

AUDIO: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-24/road-to-the-draft

Twomey's choice for those just outside the top 20 (ie. 2nd rounders):
Touk Miller
Lucas Webb
Davis (NSW academy)
Harrison Wigg
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Dan Howe
dan Howe will play in our vfl team at end of season. Will replace Drummond.

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #82 on: August 15, 2014, 12:35:29 PM »
Callum Twomey's latest Top 20 draftees ...

Ignoring Heeney and Moore, Laverde would be available at our current pick 7.

1. Petracca
2. McCartin
3. Wright
4. Heeney (Swans' academy pick)
5. Brayshaw
6. Moore (Collingwood's F/S pick)
7. Pickett
8. Durdin
9. Laverde
10. Ahern
11. De Goey
12. Lever
13. Ellis
14. Lamb
15. Weller
16. Marchbank
17. Goddard
18. Duggan
19. Blakely
20. Clem Smith

Full details at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-15/phantom-draft-form-guide?utm_medium=RSS

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2014, 02:01:38 PM »
Clem Smith is close to the most overrated prospect of all time. He's small, can't kick and Undisciplined. Where do we sign?

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #84 on: August 15, 2014, 02:16:04 PM »
Clem Smith is close to the most overrated prospect of all time. He's small, can't kick and Undisciplined. Where do we sign?
Apparently a bit like Byron Pickett. Will endear himself to the faithful!
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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #85 on: August 15, 2014, 02:24:43 PM »
Clem Smith is close to the most overrated prospect of all time. He's small, can't kick and Undisciplined. Where do we sign?
Apparently a bit like Byron Pickett. Will endear himself to the faithful!
Yeah he's tough as nails. But gives away a heap of silly frees, his skills are poor and he's a short arse. Whose giving up a top 20 pick for that? Probably Melbourne.  ;D

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2014, 03:36:19 PM »
Would love to get Durdin at 7 or 8.  What a steal.
Jake Lever the other one...

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #87 on: August 15, 2014, 03:53:01 PM »
Culture is just another word for standards and our standards are low.

Culture is another word for values.
Values are what you stand for.
Once you get that right, standards become easier to hold people to account.
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #88 on: August 15, 2014, 06:44:31 PM »
Would love to get Durdin at 7 or 8.  What a steal.
Jake Lever the other one...
Agree. Can't see it happening though. ...
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Re: 2014 Draft
« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2014, 12:55:58 PM »
Would love to get Durdin at 7 or 8.  What a steal.
Jake Lever the other one...
Would be over the moon. Can't see it myself.

Weller is the one for me. Really classy type.